[Archived] Rant (4?)

[yoda]

direct line

That's the one,

I would have thought that should be after the watershed

[Baz]

I wonder if I'd get away with wearing a Darth Vader mask bearing in mind I am also officially of the 'Jedi' religion.

As long as you use the force to clear your way, you should be fine.

[Paul]

Chorley A&E department closes on Monday of next week it was announced today. Outrageous and a complete disaster for the town.

Anyone who voted Tory, this is what you voted for.

Jeremy Hunt is a walking disaster for the sick and elderly of this country. The sooner we get this government out the better.

[yoda]

Chorley A&E department closes on Monday of next week it was announced today. Outrageous and a complete disaster for the town.

Anyone who voted Tory, this is what you voted for.

Jeremy Hunt is a walking disaster for the sick and elderly of this country. The sooner we get this government out the better.

Lindsey Hoyle is blaming the Lancashire Teachings Hospitals Trust for lack of planning and bad management

[Baz]

Chorley A&E department closes on Monday of next week it was announced today. Outrageous and a complete disaster for the town.

Anyone who voted Tory, this is what you voted for.

Jeremy Hunt is a walking disaster for the sick and elderly of this country. The sooner we get this government out the better.

Disgraceful.

Chorley is also selling off one of their car parks for development of flats to raise cash too.

Statement from The Hospital

Chorley Emergency Dept

In recent months it has become increasingly difficult for us to staff the middle grade doctor rota at our emergency departments, for a number of reasons: there is a national shortage of emergency medicine doctors; the trust hasnt been allocated enough doctors in training who help staff rotas; and the application of the national agency cap has affected the ability to secure locums to fill gaps in the rota.

We have taken a number of actions to recruit a permanent workforce but we have not been able to secure the number of staff we need to continue to safely staff the rotas. So the emergency department at Chorley will be temporarily replaced by an urgent care service until the staffing crisis is resolved.

The urgent care service will be provided at the urgent care centre, at Chorley & South Ribble Hospital. The service will be provided by a combination of emergency department consultants, nurse practitioners, GPs, nurses and healthcare assistants. Please click here for further information

[yoda]

Disgraceful.

Chorley is also selling off one of their car parks for development of flats to raise cash too.

Have they not just sold off the houses on Dutch Barn Close, they put in a planning application to open the close onto Deerfold recently but it was turned down

[Paul]

Lindsey Hoyle is blaming the Lancashire Teachings Hospitals Trust for lack of planning and bad management

Yes I read that, he's been warning about this for a long time. However there is no doubt the fundamental problem is with underfunding of the NHS. Speak to anyone who works in the NHS front line services.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Yes I read that, he's been warning about this for a long time. However there is no doubt the fundamental problem is with underfunding of the NHS. Speak to anyone who works in the NHS front line services.

What, for an unbiased opinion you mean? Anyone who works in any industry would prefer money to be thrown at it rather than reducing costs.

When Tata can't afford the UK steel industry everyone just shrugs and says that's economics. When the UK can't afford its current number of hospitals, its a disgrace.

The government has been running a budget deficit for god knows how long, and is still doing it. The latest budget is spending £30 billion that the government simply doesn't have. What is the solution here? Spend more because the socialists demand it and damn the consequences?

I constantly get the impression on this issue that people don't even give the slightest damn about making the sums add up. Vested interests in theirs or relatives jobs seem to do away with any concern with national economic stability.

[yoda]

Yes I read that, he's been warning about this for a long time. However there is no doubt the fundamental problem is with underfunding of the NHS. Speak to anyone who works in the NHS front line services.

We have 2 nurses as customers, they seem to think that they have to many pen pushers and not enough doers.

[Gav]

Chorley A&E department closes on Monday of next week it was announced today. Outrageous and a complete disaster for the town.

Anyone who voted Tory, this is what you voted for.

Jeremy Hunt is a walking disaster for the sick and elderly of this country. The sooner we get this government out the better.

I spent 6hrs in A&E back in January having been visited by the GP out of hours service and advised to go to A&E immediately, it wasn't for me but a close family member.

So we sat for 6hrs waiting to be seen, A&E wasn't even that busy but finally at 2am we got seen by a doctor. We got taken to the only available bay, patients waiting to be admitted slept in the other A&E bays.

Doctor quickly realised we had to be admitted but they had no beds, so we sat in that bay for 2hrs until they needed the bay for A&E again, so the only option was to put my family member on a trolley in the corridor, which was a welcome relief having been sat around for hours, we could at least get some sleep. I couldn't believe my eyes when they wheeled the family member into a corridor, another 14 trolleys and patients sleeping in a corridor, the nurse said its been like this for 2yrs and is getting worse, its absolutely disgusting.

I don't want to turn this into a Tory bashing exercise, but i hear Cameron defending the NHS by saying we have more doctors, more nurses etc etc.

So why are people being turned away from A&E? the one in question has refused to take patients 5 times that I know of in 3 months, so simply turned people away as they have no capacity. Why are people sleeping in A&E as hospitals have no beds? sleeping in corridors?

The hospital in question has some brilliant people working for it, the treatment my family member has received has been outstanding, but its fraught with problems, and if you're not on the ball things could got terribly wrong.

The NHS is in crisis, I've witnessed it 1st hand, and no amount of assurances from the PM will make our experience any better.

Something needs to be done and quickly.

[Paul]

What, for an unbiased opinion you mean? Anyone who works in any industry would prefer money to be thrown at it rather than reducing costs.

When Tata can't afford the UK steel industry everyone just shrugs and says that's economics. When the UK can't afford its current number of hospitals, its a disgrace.

The government has been running a budget deficit for god knows how long, and is still doing it. The latest budget is spending £30 billion that the government simply doesn't have. What is the solution here? Spend more because the socialists demand it and damn the consequences?

I constantly get the impression on this issue that people don't even give the slightest damn about making the sums add up. Vested interests in theirs or relatives jobs seem to do away with any concern with national economic stability.

You're right the sums don't add up and they should. It's a simple choice cut services of every type or increase taxes to pay for the services the community needs.

The country is falling apart through a lack of long term investment and underfunded public services. Taxes simply have to increase to pay for the services society needs.

[Baz]

You're right the sums don't add up and they should. It's a simple choice cut services of every type or increase taxes to pay for the services the community needs.

The country is falling apart through a lack of long term investment and underfunded public services. Taxes simply have to increase to pay for the services society needs.

The other failure is the lack of growth in the economy,

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

You're right the sums don't add up and they should. It's a simple choice cut services of every type or increase taxes to pay for the services the community needs.

The country is falling apart through a lack of long term investment and underfunded public services. Taxes simply have to increase to pay for the services society needs.

As taxes are a percentage, they're rising with inflation. So if the tax rate is increased, that's indicating we need to spend more on services in real terms than we used to. Why do you think that is?

There's a few obvious candidates:

1. The tax rate was never right to afford the services we need.

2. Services are more inefficient than they used to be, they do less with the same funding.

3. Tax revenue is decreasing in real terms due to tax evasion.

4. Society needs more in terms of services than it used to.

I can probably buy no.1 and no.3 might be true but needs some looking into. However I'm also fairly certain no.2 is true going off my own experiences in hospitals of nurses treating the nurses station as a social club and doctors who immediately go to the solution of least effort.

As for number 4, well non-EU immigrants have long required more from the system than they give back, so that's one reason for a possible increased demand. Then we've got the increasing cost of managing terrorism and border controls. I think what it comes down to really is civic duty. If most people put the country first and aim to avoid burdening public services then the strain doesn't increase. If people are going to A&E because they don't want to pay for a prescription, claim compensation because they tripped in the street, generally get what they can whey they can. Not saying it is but if that's the modern attitude then taxes will need to go up.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Waiting at a junction tonight at a red light. The car next to me ( Golf GTI ) had been waiting as long as we had, maybe 10 seconds. All of a sudden he sets off across the junction and out the other side ! We moved on when the lights changed about 20 seconds later. Crazy.

[Baz]

As taxes are a percentage, they're rising with inflation. So if the tax rate is increased, that's indicating we need to spend more on services in real terms than we used to. Why do you think that is?

There's a few obvious candidates:

1. The tax rate was never right to afford the services we need.

2. Services are more inefficient than they used to be, they do less with the same funding.

3. Tax revenue is decreasing in real terms due to tax evasion.

4. Society needs more in terms of services than it used to.

I can probably buy no.1 and no.3 might be true but needs some looking into. However I'm also fairly certain no.2 is true going off my own experiences in hospitals of nurses treating the nurses station as a social club and doctors who immediately go to the solution of least effort.

As for number 4, well non-EU immigrants have long required more from the system than they give back, so that's one reason for a possible increased demand. Then we've got the increasing cost of managing terrorism and border controls. I think what it comes down to really is civic duty. If most people put the country first and aim to avoid burdening public services then the strain doesn't increase. If people are going to A&E because they don't want to pay for a prescription, claim compensation because they tripped in the street, generally get what they can whey they can. Not saying it is but if that's the modern attitude then taxes will need to go up.

There are quite a few other options too.

We have an aging population

We have a less healthy population

Treatments in terms of medicine and equipment are more expensive

Cutting of social care budgets, meaning more service users have to be kept in hospital beds

That could mean that finance per service user is going down, whilst demand is increasing.

All a bit more realistic than the old less managers, cutting red-tape stuff that is churned out at election time, but is never followed through.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

There are quite a few other options too.

We have an aging population

We have a less healthy population

Treatments in terms of medicine and equipment are more expensive

Cutting of social care budgets, meaning more service users have to be kept in hospital beds

That could mean that finance per service user is going down, whilst demand is increasing.

All a bit more realistic than the old less managers, cutting red-tape stuff that is churned out at election time, but is never followed through.

Yeah some good points. To be honest I don't mind the tax rate being raised as long as all possible inefficiencies have been removed first. Earning below the national average salary myself, I'd seriously begrudge sacrificing more of my wage to fund teachers/nurses/policemen/firemen etc all on quite a bit more than me (with a lot better than my legal minimum pension), unless the money was absolutely necessary and produced a noticeable improvement. If it ended up funding the traditional large number of sick days, above inflation pay rises or the resurrection of comically pointless jobs that used to exist, I'd rather keep it.

[Baz]

Yeah some good points. To be honest I don't mind the tax rate being raised as long as all possible inefficiencies have been removed first. Earning below the national average salary myself, I'd seriously begrudge sacrificing more of my wage to fund teachers/nurses/policemen/firemen etc all on quite a bit more than me (with a lot better than my legal minimum pension), unless the money was absolutely necessary and produced a noticeable improvement. If it ended up funding the traditional large number of sick days, above inflation pay rises or the resurrection of comically pointless jobs that used to exist, I'd rather keep it.

You are never going to see all inefficiencies removed, and I don't disagree with a lot of your points.

However I think a lot of people would pay more for a top quality health service, if they felt it was needed, but when you get the recent revelations about tax avoidance, corporations paying no / very little tax etc then it really does put people off those thoughts.

[ABBEY]

You're right the sums don't add up and they should. It's a simple choice cut services of every type or increase taxes to pay for the services the community needs.

The country is falling apart through a lack of long term investment and underfunded public services. Taxes simply have to increase to pay for the services society needs.

I pay and have paid quite enough tax thank you very very much. Its not the first time you have said we need to pay more. If you feel that strongly about it drop Dodgy Dave a line and im sure there will be a loophole that will allow you to increase your contributions , meanwhile in the real world.

[Al]

Chorley A&E department closes on Monday of next week it was announced today. Outrageous and a complete disaster for the town.

Anyone who voted Tory, this is what you voted for.

Jeremy Hunt is a walking disaster for the sick and elderly of this country. The sooner we get this government out the better.

If the cat had kittens you would blame the Tory Government.

[adopted scouser]

If the cat had kittens you would blame the Tory Government.

😂😂😂

[otto man]

If the cat had kittens you would blame the Tory Government.

Hey Al. Wasn't Burnley's A&E closure mooted in 2006 under a labour government?

[Paul]

Hey Al. Wasn't Burnley's A&E closure mooted in 2006 under a labour government?

You are of course quite correct in that statement. However where you are quite incorrect is in insinuating this was as a result of government cut backs. The closure of Burnley A&E and its move to Blackburn was a part of a general reorganisation and concentration of services within ELHT. The reorganisation allowed ELHT to concentrate specific specialist services in particular hospitals. For example the superb Burnley based Lancashire Women and Newborn centre, the consultant led maternity unit and midwife led birth centre. A&E being concentrated in Blackburn.

Somewhat different circumstances to the closure of Chorley A&E which will lead, in the longer term, to the hospital's closure. One being the result of an overall investment in and improvement of the NHS for the people of Lancashire, the other directly impacting a whole community which will eventually lose it's excellent hospital

[Paul]

If the cat had kittens you would blame the Tory Government.

If you chose to read back you will see I've recently supported Cameron on his tax position, Whittingale on the media fracas, Cameron on the EU.

I've stated on more than one occasion I would vote for a government of any hue which demonstrated a real intention to put in place long term infrastructure investment through a sensible borrowing programme coupled with tax increases to find the daily cost of providing the services we need.

I'll happily blame the Tories for anything they are responsible for. Currently they are responsible for failing the country both economically and socially.

I pay and have paid quite enough tax thank you very very much. Its not the first time you have said we need to pay more. If you feel that strongly about it drop Dodgy Dave a line and im sure there will be a loophole that will allow you to increase your contributions , meanwhile in the real world.

Of course it's not the first time I've mentioned it as it's something I know to be necessary. The reality is, in the real world, we have hugely underfunded services which we are paying for by borrowing more and more. This country lives on a credit card day in day and we are borrowing money to pay the bills. The only way out is for taxpayers to fund the services they wish to receive while government borrows to invest.

[jim mk2]

Of course it's not the first time I've mentioned it as it's something I know to be necessary. The reality is, in the real world, we have hugely underfunded services which we are paying for by borrowing more and more. This country lives on a credit card day in day and we are borrowing money to pay the bills. The only way out is for taxpayers to fund the services they wish to receive while government borrows to invest.

This government has borrowed more than every Labour govt in history combined yet Cameron continues to peddle the same old lies in PMQs that the Conservatives are the party of fiscal responsibility and that Labour were to blame for the financial crisis of 2008 and left the economy in a poor state in 2010. Labour and Ed Miliband in particular are to blame though for refusing to challenge the lies and allowing it to become accepted wisdom over the past 6 years .

[ABBEY]

If you chose to read back you will see I've recently supported Cameron on his tax position, Whittingale on the media fracas, Cameron on the EU.

I've stated on more than one occasion I would vote for a government of any hue which demonstrated a real intention to put in place long term infrastructure investment through a sensible borrowing programme coupled with tax increases to find the daily cost of providing the services we need.

I'll happily blame the Tories for anything they are responsible for. Currently they are responsible for failing the country both economically and socially.

Of course it's not the first time I've mentioned it as it's something I know to be necessary. The reality is, in the real world, we have hugely underfunded services which we are paying for by borrowing more and more. This country lives on a credit card day in day and we are borrowing money to pay the bills. The only way out is for taxpayers to fund the services they wish to receive while government borrows to invest.

will you be writing to the tax people to take more off you?

and three times married means the credit card is a must.