[Archived] Rant (4?)

[oldjamfan1]

will you be writing to the tax people to take more off you?

and three times married means the credit card is a must.

That made me laugh.

My divorce cost me £250,000 and I'm still paying her off. 40% tax is a drop in the bloody ocean compared to an ex wife, never mind three of 'em!

[Paul]

No ABBEY I won't be writing to HMRC offering to pay more but will happily do so when or if the government asks me to. Now do you have a relevant contribution to the discussion or just more sniping?

I don't see that your personal marital circumstances have any bearing on the discussion. It was your choice to marry three times.

[Al]

If you chose to read back you will see I've recently supported Cameron on his tax position, Whittingale on the media fracas, Cameron on the EU.

I acknowledge that Paul and I think you will find that I "liked" that post, even though I do not agree with Cameron on the EU. As far as I am concerned it was a downright lie to publish a leaflet saying that the Government supported staying in when the government and even his own party is split on the referendum issue.

However it's a bit of a push to blame Westminster for Chorley closing their A&E department due to not being able to get the staff.

I find it difficult to criticise the NHS after the excellent way they have looked after me since my kidneys failed. They have been brilliant

That made me laugh.

My divorce cost me £250,000 and I'm still paying her off. 40% tax is a drop in the bloody ocean compared to an ex wife, never mind three of 'em!

A relative of mine once told me not to bother getting married. He said "Just find a woman you can't stand and buy her a house".

[K-Hod]

I acknowledge that Paul and I think you will find that I "liked" that post, even though I do not agree with Cameron on the EU. As far as I am concerned it was a downright lie to publish a leaflet saying that the Government supported staying in when the government and even his own party is split on the referendum issue.

However it's a bit of a push to blame Westminster for Chorley closing their A&E department due to not being able to get the staff.

I find it difficult to criticise the NHS after the excellent way they have looked after me since my kidneys failed. They have been brilliant

A relative of mine once told me not to bother getting married. He said "Just find a woman you can't stand and buy her a house".

[perthblue02]

This government has borrowed more than every Labour govt in history combined yet Cameron continues to peddle the same old lies in PMQs that the Conservatives are the party of fiscal responsibility and that Labour were to blame for the financial crisis of 2008 and left the economy in a poor state in 2010. Labour and Ed Miliband in particular are to blame though for refusing to challenge the lies and allowing it to become accepted wisdom over the past 6 years .

Perhaps they could sell off over half the gold reserves at rock bottom prices to make the figures look better?, just like Labour did, still the very strange way the auction was done helped out banks that were struggling to stock up their gold reserves. So not just the Tories that help out the banks at the expense of the general public eh?

Things are not as black and white (or should that be blue and red) as you make them out to be.

[ABBEY]

No ABBEY I won't be writing to HMRC offering to pay more but will happily do so when or if the government asks me to. Now do you have a relevant contribution to the discussion or just more sniping?

I don't see that your personal marital circumstances have any bearing on the discussion. It was your choice to marry three times.

1. It was contributing

2. If you think that was sniping wow . Stop being so pretentious

3.i mentioned the weddings because you mentioned credit and borrowing .. Again it was relevant .

4. Don't tell me what I can and can't post you ain't a mod more

[otto man]

You are of course quite correct in that statement. However where you are quite incorrect is in insinuating this was as a result of government cut backs. The closure of Burnley A&E and its move to Blackburn was a part of a general reorganisation and concentration of services within ELHT. The reorganisation allowed ELHT to concentrate specific specialist services in particular hospitals. For example the superb Burnley based Lancashire Women and Newborn centre, the consultant led maternity unit and midwife led birth centre. A&E being concentrated in Blackburn.

Somewhat different circumstances to the closure of Chorley A&E which will lead, in the longer term, to the hospital's closure. One being the result of an overall investment in and improvement of the NHS for the people of Lancashire, the other directly impacting a whole community which will eventually lose it's excellent hospital

I wholeheartedly disagree Paul. endangering peoples lives in this manner was never about streamlining services from an efficiency perspective. It was a cost cutting exercise. To suggest that transporting a heart attack victim the 17 plus miles in to Blackburn is in someway beneficial for the patient and the service as a whole is frankly ludicrous

[Gav]

If you voted Tory you voted for cuts, closing Chorley, Burnley and other A&E's are cuts, the Tories are doing exactly what they said they'd do.

[yoda]

If you voted Tory you voted for cuts, closing Chorley, Burnley and other A&E's are cuts, the Tories are doing exactly what they said they'd do.

The Chorley A&E closure is a temp measure, as reported on the BBC yesterday, due to not replacing expensive agency staff in time

[Gav]

The Chorley A&E closure is a temp measure, as reported on the BBC yesterday, due to not replacing expensive agency staff in time

Yes that's a cut...

[MCMC1875]

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[MCMC1875]

Chorley A&E department closes on Monday of next week it was announced today. Outrageous and a complete disaster for the town.

Anyone who voted Tory, this is what you voted for.

Jeremy Hunt is a walking disaster for the sick and elderly of this country. The sooner we get this government out the better.

Its payback time for the excesses and crass financial mismanagement of the Blair years. Just like every Labour/Tory cycle.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap!

[yoda]

Yes that's a cut...

No, that is bad management as stated by Lindsey Hoyle the Labour MP for Chorley

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Its payback time for the excesses and crass financial mismanagement of the Blair years. Just like every Labour/Tory cycle.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap!

This lot have been in power for 6 years now. Have Venkies had that long ? When does it become the Tories responsibility ?

[Paul]

I wholeheartedly disagree Paul. endangering peoples lives in this manner was never about streamlining services from an efficiency perspective. It was a cost cutting exercise. To suggest that transporting a heart attack victim the 17 plus miles in to Blackburn is in someway beneficial for the patient and the service as a whole is frankly ludicrous

In which case you'll believe the current administration is endangering the lives of the 41,000 people who live in Chorley.

The changes in Burnley and Blackburn where about providing very high levels of specialist services in areas where they could best serve the widest population. The alternative is to either duplicate the services in each area or to have a post code lottery whereby patients in one area receive better or worse treatment dependent on where they live.

Your argument confirms you believe reorganisation resulting in greater travelling distance threatens life. Closing an A&E department must therefore result in the same view even though the closure is for a different reason.

If as a country we wish to avoid the scenario you believe correct it would follow you would have no issue with paying increased taxes and NI to fund the same level of hospital and ambulance services across the UK to ensure every individual has an equal chance of survival in an emergency.

That's going to cost a bob or two.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I wholeheartedly disagree Paul. endangering peoples lives in this manner was never about streamlining services from an efficiency perspective. It was a cost cutting exercise. To suggest that transporting a heart attack victim the 17 plus miles in to Blackburn is in someway beneficial for the patient and the service as a whole is frankly ludicrous

The " experts " will tell you that having these " centres of excellence " style hospitals will save more lives in the long run. I'm not so sure.

My grown up son is out of work at the moment unfortunately. He needs to see a specialist at Oldham Royal and he lives in Rochdale. The relevant speciality moved over to Oldham about 4 years ago, prior to that Rochdale had a similar department. The bus fare is about £ 5.00 each way ! Out of his job seekers allowance. That's the other side of the coin. When the relevant department was still at Rochdale infirmary he could have walked there in 20 minutes.

There was another case in my local paper last year. The husband of a couple who'd recently moved to Rochdale complained of pains in his chest during the early hours of the night. The ambulance came and took him to Fairfield in Bury, the designated Heart Specialist Department. The wife couldn't travel with her husband because she had to sort out child care. She eventually did that but then she had no money to pay for a taxi so she set off walking to Bury ! When see finally got there her husband had had a massive heart attack and died !

This in England in 2015 !

Charles Dickens would have had a field day with todays health system.

[Gav]

No, that is bad management as stated by Lindsey Hoyle the Labour MP for Chorley

It's also a cut, not the big picture I'm sure Yoda, but a cut nevertheless.

[jim mk2]

Its payback time for the excesses and crass financial mismanagement of the Blair years. Just like every Labour/Tory cycle.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap!

Osborne's borrowed more in 6 years than every Labour govt in history combined.

[Biddy]

Osborne's borrowed more in 6 years than every Labour govt in history combined.

Yet still services are needing to be cut. Or are you advocating that this borrowing is actually OK and a Labour government should indeed come in, borrow even more and restore all the services and benefits?

[yoda]

Osborne's borrowed more in 6 years than every Labour govt in history combined.

Where is the money going ?

[MCMC1875]

Where is the money going ?

Tax havens!!!

[Gav]

Yet still services are needing to be cut. Or are you advocating that this borrowing is actually OK and a Labour government should indeed come in, borrow even more and restore all the services and benefits?

Services would need cutting far less if the government targeted the £35bn a year in tax avoidance/evasion (Labour says its closer to £120bn)

Benefit fraud is wrong, but its estimated to be around £1bn

Why the hell are the tories targeting the poorer and not the rich

[yoda]

Tax havens!!!

I mean where is the money the government is getting in tax and borrowing going

[BlueMonday]

Austerity measures at this stage in the game are driven by idealogy rather than a practicle solution to the deficit.

There is not much left to cut now without causing real hardship to the most vulnerable in society (guess who's had bare the brunt of cuts) or affecting infrastructure or hindering small business.

Whats needed is real and sustained GROWTH, across Britain, not just London. Thats the challenge the Tories need to rise to. Any fool can cut budgets and funding. These goons in high office need to start earning their salaries (with 11% pay rise) and Grow the economy out of trouble. Be bold, be innovative. Instead we get Talking Heads in suits. Osbourne has missed all his self imposed targets and is borrowing like a mad man, but is going to pull an accounting trick to magic up a surplus at the end of this Parliament. Well that might look good on paper, but its not going to change much on the streets.

Parliament isn't working for the ordinary man anymore, its working for the super rich and multinational corporations.

[yoda]

It's also a cut, not the big picture I'm sure Yoda, but a cut nevertheless.

Lindsey Hoyle today

NEWS RELEASE FROM

LINDSAY HOYLE MP

Hoyle Demands Urgent Action Over Potential Recruitment

Chorley MP Lindsay Hoyle has called for urgent action by Hospital managers to respond to the offer of locum staff able to cover Chorley & South Ribble A&E department.

The offer comes from a recruiting agency who say they have staff available to take up duties tomorrow (Saturday 16th April).

Following this news Mr Hoyle contacted the Chief Executive of Lancashire Teaching Hospitals Trust urging them to respond immediately to the availability of locum staff

Mr Hoyle said:

“We face a crisis in staffing levels which has led to the announcement that the A&E at Chorley & South Ribble District Hospital will close on Monday. I have now been informed that a recruiting agency has a number of consultants and doctors ready to take up roles at the A&E from tomorrow (Saturday 16th April).

“Given the imminent closure I want the Trust to act now to get the staff in place as a matter of urgency so that Chorley’s A&E service can avoid closure.”

ENDS