[Archived] Transfer Talk Part 3

[Gav]

How can we be interested in another WINGER???

Because the ones we've got a cr@p?

Rhodes needs service to his feet in the box, the best way of achieving that is down the flanks, pity 4-4-2 is dead

[J*B]

[briansol]

We've got Marshy Conway Koita Fonzy Sully Olsson and probably more who can all play on the wing. And a few of those can play on both flanks. What we are in need of is a good Centre half

Conway is playing left wing, Olsson is left back, Koita and Fonzy primaily strikers, Marshy playing as second striker. Sully unproven, don't know his best position. With a small squad it's good to have flexible players, but for all mentioned it would probably only be considered the natural position of Marshall.

I agree with a good centre half is needed too.

[Stuart]

Conway is playing left wing, Olsson is left back, Koita and Fonzy primaily strikers, Marshy playing as second striker. Sully unproven, don't know his best position. With a small squad it's good to have flexible players, but for all mentioned it would probably only be considered the natural position of Marshall.

I agree with a good centre half is needed too.

Conway and Marshall (and indeed Conway and Cairney) swap wingers regularly. The quandary we have is that we need pace and guile but have a manager who doesn't know how to harness it.

[Jock]

How can we be interested in another WINGER???

First it's goalkeepers now it's wingers. Crap manger with scatter gun approach . Just like his tombola team selections. As long as Lowey f- buddy gets a game nothing else matters.

[Stuart]

Na. He's a false number seven Gord.

Petchi is the one for me. He's more of a hidden number four. Which should compliment Marshall when he plays in that disguised number ten position. Assuming Delfouneso manages to adapt to the secret number eleven role that is.

made me laugh that post.

[Jock]

Is Shaw Secret Squirrel?

[Jimmy612]

Because the ones we've got a cr@p?

Rhodes needs service to his feet in the box, the best way of achieving that is down the flanks, pity 4-4-2 is dead

And with it went the fox in the box, tart-line, Lineker style striker; but that's none of my business

[Reedy You're A Star]

Transferwise Gestede and Cairney have been very good business.

However I believe that the scout who were instrumental in finding them are not at the club anymore.

We paid a fee for both of those. The scouts probably have a different remit now we're looking for freebies that will accept 10k a week or under. Sure we could find the odd player like Rudy or Cairney if we weren't restricted to those conditions, Le Fondre probably would have come under that category.

[Gav]

And with it went the fox in the box, tart-line, Lineker style striker; but that's none of my business

Let it go Jimmy

[BigBar]

Hmmmmmm i flip flop on Bowyer a bit..not the best but not the worst we could have, have to agree with the scatter gun approach, see what sticks with no real plan or shape...we need to be a solid unit first and foremost, have a feeling that tomorrow will be more of the same at times last season, the opposition waltzing through with acres to play with while he frantically get pulled all over the shop!!

[bluebruce]

, Koita and Fonzy primaily strikers, Marshy playing as second striker.

Well they're not all going to be playing alongside Rhodes at once are they? We are amply covered on the wings and need to look to other positions. It's mind-bogglingly obvious.

[chris_h]

When Alan Nixon links us to an interesting, decent player he talks nonsense, doesn't know what he's talking about. When he links us with a player the forum doesn't like its taken as gospel.

[briansol]

Well they're not all going to be playing alongside Rhodes at once are they? We are amply covered on the wings and need to look to other positions. It's mind-bogglingly obvious.

No they are not. It's a squad game and you don't put a striker on the wing just to have them on the pitch if you can have someone who do a better job there. Apart from a centre half, what other positions are so mind-bogglingly obvious to fill? Enlighten me.

[Tom]

I miss Maic Sema

[mustard]

Isn't that what Koita is?

People seem to have got this idea about Koita that he's a replacement for King. In the Wigan friendly he didn't look particularly quick. Seemed to have less of a work ethic too.

[mustard]

Didn't Marshall cost 1 mill and Evans not far off ?

Anyway the man should be director of football working with his present team to carry on finding the Rudys and Cairneys. Get someone with a bit more idea on the touchline and we could have a real good set up here at this level.

Yeah although Veevs made some very good points, particularly in his last paragraph, the fees were closer to what you've said. Widely reported Marshall was £1mill and Evans £850k. Also Duffy was £1.3mill incl add-ons. Whenever I say this, Bowyer's staunchest supporters tend to say "no it's £300k, the rest is after promotion" when really, no one knows the intricates of the deal, we just know the money is in add-ons. Some could be after promotion, some could be after games for Rovers. Fact is, we don't know exactly, but we do know it has the potential to cost the club £1.3mill, regardless.

[joey_big_nose]

People seem to have got this idea about Koita that he's a replacement for King. In the Wigan friendly he didn't look particularly quick. Seemed to have less of a work ethic too.

Yeah his videos from France made him look like a quick skillful wide player but against Wigan he looked more in the Jason Roberts mould - physically strong striker who is not very good in the air but handy at holding up ball to feet, laying off and turning his man.

However thirty mins is not much to get a handle on a player.

[mustard]

Yeah his videos from France made him look like a quick skillful wide player but against Wigan he looked more in the Jason Roberts mould - physically strong striker who is not very good in the air but handy at holding up ball to feet, laying off and turning his man.

However thirty mins is not much to get a handle on a player.

Yeah agreed. Intrigued to see how he turns out but he certainly seems a different mould to King. The only vids I saw were of him firing a shot top corner and a good header. Didn't see any vids of him running at players really, so only got the friendly to go off.

[Iceman]

Just so BTW, Olsson is pretty good going forward. So be can slot In down the wing if need be, and bring Spurr in at left back. Just saying

[Stuart]

Let it go Jimmy

The goals never bothered me anyway.

[bluebruce]

No they are not. It's a squad game and you don't put a striker on the wing just to have them on the pitch if you can have someone who do a better job there. Apart from a centre half, what other positions are so mind-bogglingly obvious to fill? Enlighten me.

Ok sure. Here is how we are covered in each position.

Forwards: Rhodes, Koita, Brown (ugh), Delfouneso (Four for one or two positions depending on formation, and at least one of them is garbage)

Attacking centre mids (if we play one in the hole): Marshall, Conway, (Koita?) (Two/three for one position if we play it)

Central or defensive mids: Guthrie, Lowe, Williamson, Evans, Lenihan, Taylor, Petschi (Seven for two positions)

Wingers (interchangeable on the flanks under Gary's approach): Marshall, Conway, Taylor, Koita, Delfouneso, Mahoney, O'Sullivan, Olsson (Eight for two positions)

Centre halves: Hanley, Duffy, Kilgallon, Spurr, Lenihan (five for two positions, two are distinctly not specialists here)

Left back: Olsson, Spurr, Henley (Three for one position, but Henley is first choice RB)

Right back: Henley, Nyambe, Marshall (Three for one position, but Marshall should really be playing in midfield and Nyambe is untested)

Goalkeepers: Raya, Steele, Eastwood

Also left O'Sullivan out on the centre and attacking mid spots as I don't know enough about him to know where he fits best there.

So the position Gary thinks we need more players for is the wings, where we have more options than anywhere else on the pitch? And where we have two of the best wingers in the league. Why did we get O'Sullivan and Taylor to sign new deals if we are going to saturate their positions? Granted, one of Conway or Marshall may play in the hole if we go 4-2-3-1, or they could get an injury, but that's what all the other deluge of players are there for. Delfouneso and Koita may not primarily be wingers, but we're unlikely to go far enough down to the bones to need to find out anyway. We are operating under a tight budget. We can't afford to be bringing in any more wingers just to be good back up.

Our squad is fairly covered for numbers and versatility IMO. What we need to sign is quality that can genuinely compete for first team places. If we can't sign that, we are best waiting for the embargo to be lifted so we can do so. Especially when Bowyer is talking about how he isn't afraid to blood the youngsters. If we are going to sign any more for the sake of backup, it has to be in defence, as you said yourself. Arguably we could use a better standard of striker as backup to Rhodes. I would also say we haven't really replaced Cairney, as Guthrie seems to be a completely different type of player.

Wingers? Absolutely the last priority we could have.

[Josh]

Just really throwing this out here, I haven't read anything on it, but if United are willing to let Jesse Lingard go out on loan again this season, that's a player we should be all over. Although I remember seeing that Newcastle were interested so it doesn't really seem likely

[tomphil]

When Alan Nixon links us to an interesting, decent player he talks nonsense, doesn't know what he's talking about. When he links us with a player the forum doesn't like its taken as gospel.

NOTHING Nixon says is gospel, nothing !

[BigBar]

Who has seen o Sullivan playing and whoever has do they rate him?? what type of player is he exactly??