[Archived] Transfer Talk Part 3

[The Rover of Finland]

  On 13/08/2015 at 15:25, rovers11 said:

If it is Carayol it would be a trial to assess fitness rather than ability. Similar to trial that Guthrie had.

Good player.

Isn't it strange to have on trial a rival's contract player? Unless they don't have any intentions to keep him after the loan.

[rovers11]

  On 13/08/2015 at 15:28, The Rover of Finland said:

Isn't it strange to have on trial a rival's contract player? Unless they don't have any intentions to keep him after the loan.

Depends how keen the club are to get rid of him.

It's not Carayol anyway according to Nicko. A lower league winger. Next...

[Baz]

Seems we are going back to filling the squad with dross again.

I wonder what those Academy players he said would get a chance whilst we are under the embargo think.

[AllRoverAsia]

Bowyer has been getting quite a few plaudits for his perceived ability to 'spot a player'. Personally and based on player turnover with Bowyer I believe his approach is similar to junior/Acadmey theory based on the tried and tested 's-hit at the wall' theory. Some will stick and that's why the 'windows' are neverending..

[Mani]

  On 13/08/2015 at 18:21, AllRoverAsia said:

Bowyer has been getting quite a few plaudits for his perceived ability to 'spot a player'. Personally and based on player turnover with Bowyer I believe his approach is similar to junior/Acadmey theory based on the tried and tested 's-hit at the wall' theory. Some will stick and that's why the 'windows' are neverending..

I have been very honest about my thoughts on Gaz...

But if you are right, then how is it that everyone isn't selling players who cost 100's of thousands for millions? MOST are losing in the current market.

With the money and value he has generated for the club in terms of re-sale and establishing young players. Don't forget nearly all of the current crop of home growns woulda been influenced by him before he became first team manager.

And it's much harder to pull rabbits outa the hat as your budget becomes tighter...I don't think there's much mileage in criticising his transfer policy.

I don't think anyone coulda done a better job of turning the staff over, saving money and creating value with good young players.

Ask me if I think he can set a team up tactically...🙈

[RockinRover]

Spot on Mani, Bowyer's strength is his ability to bring in the Gestede's, Cairney's and Marshall's etc.

Now if only he wasn't tactically inept we'd be on to a winner!

That being said, he seems to do well against Premier League opposition but perhaps he puts more attention to detail into his tactics against those teams?

Time to use that drawing board you bring out for the big boys for all of the teams Gary!

[ada2020]

  On 13/08/2015 at 18:44, Mani said:

I have been very honest about my thoughts on Gaz...

Ask me if I think he can set a team up tactically...

And that is what ultimately matters, I don't care if he's sold two players for a few quid more than he paid for them, and neither do many others round here.

We're on a hiding to nothing with him in the managers seat.

[Stuart]

  On 13/08/2015 at 18:52, RockinRover said:

Spot on Mani, Bowyer's strength is his ability to bring in the Gestede's, Cairney's and Marshall's etc.

Now if only he wasn't tactically inept we'd be on to a winner!

That being said, he seems to do well against Premier League opposition but perhaps he puts more attention to detail into his tactics against those teams?

Time to use that drawing board you bring out for the big boys for all of the teams Gary!

PL or other, when Bowyer has picked an attacking line up and given them license to attack we have done well. So why does he keep persisting with his negative, defensive mindset - particularly when he isn't buying players with those attributes.

[AllRoverAsia]

Mani - some will stick. Gestede was a discovery for sure but when will the next one come. Cairney was quality before he came but Bruce just didn't fancy him so he came 'cheap', Marshall is still with us and came as known quality. Now how many of his Academy boys have progressed?

If he could sell Hanley for up to 4 mill I would not only be pleased but somewhat estatic.

As far as Bowyer's tactics are concerned I think we are on the same page. I'm one of those odd fans who thinks that results on the pitch are what matters certainly as far as the First Team are concerned and that realised or perceived profits on players is secondary.

[Feniscowles Blue]

  On 13/08/2015 at 18:44, Mani said:

I have been very honest about my thoughts on Gaz...

But if you are right, then how is it that everyone isn't selling players who cost 100's of thousands for millions? MOST are losing in the current market.

With the money and value he has generated for the club in terms of re-sale and establishing young players. Don't forget nearly all of the current crop of home growns woulda been influenced by him before he became first team manager.

And it's much harder to pull rabbits outa the hat as your budget becomes tighter...I don't think there's much mileage in criticising his transfer policy.

I don't think anyone coulda done a better job of turning the staff over, saving money and creating value with good young players.

Ask me if I think he can set a team up tactically...🙈

Pure GB propaganda .

[AJW]

probably wrong thread but .... is the answer then to move GB "upstairs" to a DoF role and employ a more tactically nouseful manager ...OR employ 1 or 2 top proper coaches and let GB manage a'la Dalglish and Harford

[Waggy76]

  On 13/08/2015 at 07:09, neophox said:

Denni Avdic is a really good tall striker and miles better than Brown. Can we get him?

Ronnie Hildersley would be better than Brown !

[Commondore]

  On 13/08/2015 at 18:21, AllRoverAsia said:

Bowyer has been getting quite a few plaudits for his perceived ability to 'spot a player'. Personally and based on player turnover with Bowyer I believe his approach is similar to junior/Acadmey theory based on the tried and tested 's-hit at the wall' theory. Some will stick and that's why the 'windows' are neverending..

Allardyce was much worse in that regard. Constantly "spraying and praying"(although unlike Bowyer he got to do it with a checkbook) in the transfer market, with mediocre to bad results.

  On 13/08/2015 at 19:32, AJW said:

probably wrong thread but .... is the answer then to move GB "upstairs" to a DoF role and employ a more tactically nouseful manager ...OR employ 1 or 2 top proper coaches and let GB manage a'la Dalglish and Harford

That would be my preferred solution. Bowyer has a lot to offer a club at Championship level, but probably not mainly as a manager.

[Reedy You're A Star]

For every Gestede and Cairney, there are 3 Browns and Varneys. As said above, throw enough @#/?, some will stick. Everyone sells someone for a decent profit at some time. Other than Rhodes, where will the next one come from?

Even if it was true that he was good at spotting a player, then it's no use if he then can't arrange those players into a functioning team. It's like using a diamond as a doorstop.

[adsfortheblues]

  On 13/08/2015 at 14:07, The Rover of Finland said:

What's the situation with Maynard? Is he still an option? Still injured?

They won't be signing Maynard that one has finished. Didn't impress. Likely to sign for a league one club this week.

[patrickvalery]

  On 13/08/2015 at 10:09, Commondore said:

That's quite possibly the worst Bond film, which is saying a lot!

I take it you're not watching For Your Eyes Only on ITV 4 this evening then?

As a side issue, I reckon I've found the perfect roles for Lowe and Williamson . They'd make perfect henchman for a Bond villain. Think about it. They look busy but have very little involvement in the actual plot of things. And whenever they shoot they invariably miss.

[AllRoverAsia]

  On 13/08/2015 at 21:26, patrickvalery said:

I take it you're not watching For Your Eyes Only on ITV 4 this evening then?

As a side issue, I reckon I've found the perfect roles for Lowe and Williamson . They'd make perfect henchman for a Bond villain. Think about it. They looks busy but have very little involvement in the actual plot of things. And whenever they shoot they invariably miss.

Not sure about that - they can't even act the role of footballers. Put a gun in their hands and they'd shoot their toes off - same goes for Brown.

[tomphil]

  On 13/08/2015 at 18:56, Stuart said:

PL or other, when Bowyer has picked an attacking line up and given them license to attack we have done well. So why does he keep persisting with his negative, defensive mindset - particularly when he isn't buying players with those attributes.

This is true and has happened a good few times under his tenure, usually when the pressure is gathering. Last season we looked so much better on the front foot more comfortable even. We built up a head of steam early last season for a few games then after we went two nil up at Millwall he reverted to type. It would probably sum him up to say that he reels them in when they start gaining confidence and playing with freedom instead of feeding off it and trying to drive them on to keep up that standard,

[roverandout]

Best bond was goldeneye

[patrickvalery]

"well we gave world domination a right good go. I think as the years go by the new henchmen will settle in and begin to understand the way we're trying to dominate the world. We've been hit hard with the criminal world embargo this summer but I'm sure there are some really talented criminals who are hungry to learn out there. We've shown in the last few years we can develop henchmen and coach them into being superior villains who can be sold to other larger criminal outfits. It's the core values we have here. There are some very exciting young villains coming through our academy at present who we hope can go on to forge illicit careers for themselves."

I'm really sorry. I'm genuinely not sure what that's all about. Please forgive my ramblings. I'm starting to question my own sanity.

But I won't admit moonraker is one of the worst Bond films.

  On 13/08/2015 at 21:43, roverandout said:

Best bond was goldeneye

Gildfinger maybe. It's a tough call to make.

[yoda]

  On 13/08/2015 at 21:43, roverandout said:

Best bond was goldeneye

Personally I thought John Bond did a fine job

[Stand & Deliver]

  On 13/08/2015 at 21:34, AllRoverAsia said:

Not sure about that - they can't even act the role of footballers. Put a gun in their hands and they'd shoot their toes off - same goes for Brown.

Browny would probably leave it on safety.

[tomphil]

  On 13/08/2015 at 21:43, roverandout said:

Best bond was goldeneye

Never keen on Brosnans Bond myself, nor Dalton. All too nicey nicey a bit like Gaz at Rovers

[bluebruce]

  On 13/08/2015 at 11:29, JHRover said:

No, we loaned Tom Cairney at the end of the 2013 summer window, the run-around with Rhodes came after that in the summer of 2014.

Unless something major has occurred I don't think past dealings would affect future possible deals. Clubs cannot afford to bear grudges. If Middlesbrough are looking to offload a player and free up a wage and squad place then they can't afford to turn people away because of what has gone on in a separate deal months earlier.

And what exactly has gone on?

They tried to buy our main asset, we said no, repeatedly. Obviously they'll wish we had accepted, but it would be completely unreasonable for them to be mad at us for it. They didn't have some divine right to Jordan Rhodes. So not only can they not afford to bear grudges, it'd be downright bizarre if they did.

[Stand & Deliver]

  On 13/08/2015 at 21:50, yoda said:

Personally I thought John Bond did a fine job

Dingleye?