[Archived] Rhodes Wants To Leave

[1864roverite]

Without sounding disrespectful to what Rhodes has done at Ewood, is he really the world beating striker some are making him out to be ? The answer is a stark NO he isn't.

Selling him for £12m plus is good business, fantastic business for BRFC. Its poor on behalf of Boro but who really give s to$$ about them?

If JR was a world-beater of a striker he wouldn't be here, he would be in the top flight. Truth is he isn't. He might score 20 goals a season but to be honest, any half decent striker can in this league especially in a team that can make goals. I like him at Rovers, but he is a little inconsistent. He hasn't got electric pace, he is a little lightweight and he hasn't got the rocket shot type of goal in him, yes he can finish but how many chances does he miss before he scores?

we have lost better strikers and always moved on. Losing JR will see the move on as well. As for a replacement ? I don't know the answer to that but one thing is for sure, he can be replaced and at Boro, imagine how the club will feel when they don't go up with JR at the front of their overrated players? Its a huge gamble and when boro gamble what happens? History tells us they go down !

Steve Gibson isn't the messiah or the chairman that they make him out to be. Successful off the pitch maybe but with the club, its poor fayre.

[arbitro]

You'de better not play poker either then arbitro. 'Our advantage' as you put it is to get as much for JR as possible. If we can pull Boro's necks out over this and weaken them long term then so much the better. We are keeping our cards close to our chest and Boro are talking big and painting themselves into a corner with the great unwashed in the Riverside. Classic tactic.

So you think anybody at Rovers could out 'poker' Gibson and Kenyon who are the real people involved at Boro. They know the true value of Rhodes and won't be held to ransom. Mick McGuire will be actively working on this one and the comments from Rhodes lead me to believe that it will only be a matter of time.

[JHRover]

Again calculated risk by Boro.

Why Rhodes ? Only player ever to score 20 plus goals for five (or is it six ?) consecutive seasons. Nothings every guaranteed in football but if you ve got "previous" he could just score 20 again.

Boro assembling a squad for the next two or three seasons.Get them in now ..keep them together and ride FFP out.Maybe two or three cracks at getting out of the Championship.

Thats if it still exists after the QPR challenge ..

You say their plan might be to 'ride FFP out' i.e. get the players in now at considerable cost and then potentially take 2-3 years to try and get up even if under an embargo.

So why can't we do that? Apparently we 'have' to cash in on one or both of Rhodes and Gestede to get sufficient cash in to comply with FFP, despite 2 years of significant wage reduction having already taken place. Why can't we 'ride it out' by resisting offers for our best players whilst continuing to offload those that we don't want.

Still seems like it is one rule for us and another rule for our rivals.

Interestingly I was reading about Forest possibly selling Lansbury to Burnley. Apparently they are already 'on course' to have their embargo lifted by next summer at the latest and have done this by offloading Jamie Mackie to QPR. According to Freedman they don't have to sell anyone.

So how have Forest managed it? They are going to be compliant within the next 12 months and don't have to sell any of their best players to do it.

Meanwhile I keep hearing that we have to sell our assets to get the money in to comply.

[yoda]

Step forward our wonderful owners, they didn't know we could get relegated from the Premiership, so they had no chance on FFP.

Brown will be our main striker for the Wolves game, the word TOIL springs to mind.

Someone please tell me how good he looked away at Sheffield Weds Please!

Don't you mean turmoil

[thenodrog]

So you think anybody at Rovers could out 'poker' Gibson and Kenyon who are the real people involved at Boro. They know the true value of Rhodes and won't be held to ransom. Mick McGuire will be actively working on this one and the comments from Rhodes lead me to believe that it will only be a matter of time.

And a matter of the amount.

Say what you like but Gibson and Kenyon have shown their hand. Venys haven't.

You say their plan might be to 'ride FFP out' i.e. get the players in now at considerable cost and then potentially take 2-3 years to try and get up even if under an embargo.

So why can't we do that? Apparently we 'have' to cash in on one or both of Rhodes and Gestede to get sufficient cash in to comply with FFP, despite 2 years of significant wage reduction having already taken place. Why can't we 'ride it out' by resisting offers for our best players whilst continuing to offload those that we don't want.

Still seems like it is one rule for us and another rule for our rivals.

Interestingly I was reading about Forest possibly selling Lansbury to Burnley. Apparently they are already 'on course' to have their embargo lifted by next summer at the latest and have done this by offloading Jamie Mackie to QPR. According to Freedman they don't have to sell anyone.

So how have Forest managed it? They are going to be compliant within the next 12 months and don't have to sell any of their best players to do it.

Meanwhile I keep hearing that we have to sell our assets to get the money in to comply.

How much is Forests income compared to ours? Like LUFC they have significantly better attendance figures than us, likely much highrer corporate business and a much bigger fan base for merchanting club goods and services to.

[JHRover]

Without sounding disrespectful to what Rhodes has done at Ewood, is he really the world beating striker some are making him out to be ? The answer is a stark NO he isn't.

Selling him for £12m plus is good business, fantastic business for BRFC. Its poor on behalf of Boro but who really give s to$$ about them?

If JR was a world-beater of a striker he wouldn't be here, he would be in the top flight. Truth is he isn't. He might score 20 goals a season but to be honest, any half decent striker can in this league especially in a team that can make goals. I like him at Rovers, but he is a little inconsistent. He hasn't got electric pace, he is a little lightweight and he hasn't got the rocket shot type of goal in him, yes he can finish but how many chances does he miss before he scores?

we have lost better strikers and always moved on. Losing JR will see the move on as well. As for a replacement ? I don't know the answer to that but one thing is for sure, he can be replaced and at Boro, imagine how the club will feel when they don't go up with JR at the front of their overrated players? Its a huge gamble and when boro gamble what happens? History tells us they go down !

Steve Gibson isn't the messiah or the chairman that they make him out to be. Successful off the pitch maybe but with the club, its poor fayre.

If we weren't under an embargo I don't think anyone would be bothered in the slightest. £12 million to reinvest back into the squad would be very nice indeed and I'm sure Bowyer would do some very good business with that money.

Unfortunately we can't spend a penny of the money.

So he can't be replaced. What we face is a huge gamble on the likes of Delfouneso or Chris Brown, or some other trialist or unproven player. Strike lucky and a replacement 'might' get double figures, but more likely will struggle to get goals in the Championship. Compare to Rhodes who is almost guaranteed 20+ every season.

Combine with Gestede's departure and there is no realistic way of replacing those 40 goals. Shave 40 goals off any side and significant decline on the pitch is inevitable.

[den]

You say their plan might be to 'ride FFP out' i.e. get the players in now at considerable cost and then potentially take 2-3 years to try and get up even if under an embargo.

So why can't we do that? Apparently we 'have' to cash in on one or both of Rhodes and Gestede to get sufficient cash in to comply with FFP, despite 2 years of significant wage reduction having already taken place. Why can't we 'ride it out' by resisting offers for our best players whilst continuing to offload those that we don't want.

JH - have you actually looked at those financial results? "Significant wage reductions already having taken place"? Well maybe, but the wages to turnover ratio has actually gone UP. We've just lost 36 mill and were in line to do the same again next season. What exactly are we going to ride out - and how are we ever going to get out of embargo if we don't significantly reduce the wage bill?

[JHRover]

And a matter of the amount.

Say what you like but Gibson and Kenyon have shown their hand. Venys haven't.

How much is Forests income compared to ours?

Bigger, albeit we are still in receipt of our final parachute payment this season so that more than covers the difference.

In terms of wage bills, other than Rhodes we have nobody left on big money. By this time next year once Best/Orr/Robinson etc. are out of the accounts our wage bill must be mid table at the most.

You can bet that Forest's wage bill is among the highest in the division.

[JBiz]

I still think we can spend 25% on a one in/out basis can't we?

14m and 40k off wage bill, surely that gives us something to play with?

If it doesn't, I shall be writing to the football league! Not that it would make a difference, I'd just like clarification as to why other teams seem to waltz around their rules.

[den]

We can't pay a fee for anyone JB.

[BlooBoy]

You say their plan might be to 'ride FFP out' i.e. get the players in now at considerable cost and then potentially take 2-3 years to try and get up even if under an embargo.

So why can't we do that? Apparently we 'have' to cash in on one or both of Rhodes and Gestede to get sufficient cash in to comply with FFP, despite 2 years of significant wage reduction having already taken place. Why can't we 'ride it out' by resisting offers for our best players whilst continuing to offload those that we don't want.

Still seems like it is one rule for us and another rule for our rivals.

Interestingly I was reading about Forest possibly selling Lansbury to Burnley. Apparently they are already 'on course' to have their embargo lifted by next summer at the latest and have done this by offloading Jamie Mackie to QPR. According to Freedman they don't have to sell anyone.

So how have Forest managed it? They are going to be compliant within the next 12 months and don't have to sell any of their best players to do it.

Meanwhile I keep hearing that we have to sell our assets to get the money in to comply.

I think its more to do with the fact they somehow cleared FFP because they came in under the set figures to be put in an embargo.

We didnt and in hindsight we had the two previous years to chuck money at it and didnt.

Boro have seen whats happening,know that whenever the figures are put in for this season (june 2016?? not sure) they will then not comply.

They may even have worked out that they will probably go into an embargo without spending money on players. so have basically said ..sod it lets spend now while we can and see if we can get out of the Championship.

sounds simple i know but ?

I still think we can spend 25% on a one in/out basis can't we?

14m and 40k off wage bill, surely that gives us something to play with?

If it doesn't, I shall be writing to the football league! Not that it would make a difference, I'd just like clarification as to why other teams seem to waltz around their rules.

As Den says JB,cant pay a fee whatsoever.

And the the 25% of the wages thing is upto £10000 aweek or whatever is lower.

No more than £10000 fullstop.

[thenodrog]

Bigger, albeit we are still in receipt of our final parachute payment this season so that more than covers the difference.

In terms of wage bills, other than Rhodes we have nobody left on big money. By this time next year once Best/Orr/Robinson etc. are out of the accounts our wage bill must be mid table at the most.

You can bet that Forest's wage bill is among the highest in the division.

But our support has dropped as fast as the wage bill. Venkys should have consulted the history books re:our support figures. We are rapidly getting back to where we were before Jack came along. Blackburn Rovers is not really a viable business at top level and from what I am told they were led to overlook that by the Fat controller. 'It's a great investment you cannot lose' being frequently repeated to them during negotiations.

[niggit]

Should see all the quotes on there forum from here.

I honestly don't think Rhodes will go there, he may leave, but I'm sure Venkys will only sell to a Premiership club.

Selling him won't take us out of FFP rules anyway. Qpr are obviously going against it, and the ruling is getting more lenient next season. We've cut back on quite a lot of wages already, with Dunn, Robinson and Best going. All you have to do is show intent of reducing.

We did the same with Huddersfield to get Rhodes, and they gave in. That's not something Venkey's ever seem to do.

[yoda]

I hope that I am, this needs resolving one way sooner rather than later, but certainly in Pune earlier this evening nothing had changed so I hope that Shelfie hasn't been negotiating without approval as that'll just lead to another rejection once it is put infront of the owners.

You know he has, boro' are no where near the figure they need just to answer the telephone.

Shaw Shaw needs taking out

[RevidgeBlue]

I hope that I am, this needs resolving one way sooner rather than later, but certainly in Pune earlier this evening nothing had changed so I hope that Shelfie hasn't been negotiating without approval as that'll just lead to another rejection once it is put infront of the owners.

What on earth are you talking about?

We need them to reject all and any offers from Boro..

Whether they do or not, or cave in at the last minute, remains of course to be seen.

[tomphil]

I think Karanka's silly comments and Rhodes going public may well bite on the arse all the people involved in this little sideshow at both ends. Apart from chicken related products the one thing Venkys have proved to excel at is being pig headedly stubborn, usually to their and the clubs cost but they always think they know better. If they dig their heels in much longer it'll be deal off.

[LewisF]

Again calculated risk by Boro.

Why Rhodes ? Only player ever to score 20 plus goals for five (or is it six ?) consecutive seasons. Nothings every guaranteed in football but if you ve got "previous" he could just score 20 again.

We've only had him for 3 full seasons. He arrived in 12/13

[den]

What on earth are you talking about?

We need them to reject all and any offers from Boro..

And then what Rev - continue with the embargo, with the losses, with players wanting to leave?

[LewisF]

I think Karanka's silly comments and Rhodes going public may well bite on the arse all the people involved in this little sideshow at both ends. Apart from chicken related products the one thing Venkys have proved to excel at is being pig headedly stubborn, usually to their and the clubs cost but they always think they know better. If they dig their heels in much longer it'll be deal off.

Agreed. They've just got to reject every bid made. If we keep him we might be in for a decent season; if we lose him - God knows what

[Pedro]

Should see all the quotes on there forum from here.

Glad you mentioned that. I was going to start a thread to praise Grant Hanley but I'd hate to think they'd then prise him off us too with a derisory £7m or something. We should just make out he's crap to throw them off the scent.

[perthblue02]

We've only had him for 3 full seasons. He arrived in 12/13

But he did knock them in for Huddersfield previously so 143 goals in just under 6 years

[RevidgeBlue]

Karanka said “For me, it is important that Jordan said what he did (on Friday). If I was the Blackburn manager, or the people at the club, I would not like to have a player who is not happy in my team.''

and then said “I don’t know what is going to happen though, so let’s see. At the moment, Jordan is not with us so I can’t really say anything about him.”

What a tool.

Apart from the fact that he has just said one thing which completely contradicts the other there, it's absolutely straight out of the 'arry Redknapp school of illegal tapping up.

It would be quite funny if it weren't happening to us.

In the past whenever people have said Venky's should do something it seems to have stiffened their resolve to dig their heels in and do exactly the opposite. Let's hope that Gibson's and Karanka's scandalous contributions have that effect in this instance.

[tomphil]

Glad you mentioned that. I was going to start a thread to praise Grant Hanley but I'd hate to think they'd then prise him off us too with a derisory £7m or something. We should just make out he's crap to throw them off the scent.

I'd be telling them they'd HAVE to take Hanley as part of the Rhodes deal and chuck us their centre half in return. That'd soon scupper it or Gaz would walk if it went through. His warrior is about the only player he hasn't repeatedly put in the shop window !

[roverandout]

Boro fans don't seem too happy with some of the comments on here

As for Rhodes, I just want it sorted out one way or the other, sick to the back teeth of it...venkys pull your @#/? finger out

[RevidgeBlue]

And then what Rev - continue with the embargo, with the losses, with players wanting to leave?

I'd have thought we'd have been out of embargo in 12 months time anyway den. It's a case of getting through this season in purely footballing terms imo.on the pitch athough off it a season of survival of course doesn't help the long term debt situation.