[Archived] Rhodes Wants To Leave

[Gav]

It sounds like a few posters are falling for Shaws embargo story, which is nothing more than justification for selling the best striker in the division.

How much money has Bowyer been given to bring in players BEFORE we went into the embargo? Not much, and he'll not get much money when we come out either.

You don't sell your best players in the hope that you can pay £100k here and £500k there for other teams cast offs.

[tomphil]

Exactly. If Rhodes is sold and we bring 3 in at a million quid a piece then yes the team may be stronger but we'd have to pay them 15/20 k pwk. Long contracts as well so that leaves the finances back to square one and heading for embargo again. If they were going to have a right good go at promotion then it might be worth it but that is not the game here anymore.

The football ambition has gone from this club it left the moment these lot walked through the door. We are owned by wheeler dealers and now the staff at the club are following suite. If we were in the Prem Harry Redknapp would have loved this job

[mustard]

Exactly. If Rhodes is sold and we bring 3 in at a million quid a piece then yes the team may be stronger but we'd have to pay them 15/20 k pwk. Long contracts as well so that leaves the finances back to square one and heading for embargo again. If they were going to have a right good go at promotion then it might be worth it but that is not the game here anymore.

[roverandout]

Exactly. If Rhodes is sold and we bring 3 in at a million quid a piece then yes the team may be stronger but we'd have to pay them 15/20 k pwk. Long contracts as well so that leaves the finances back to square one and heading for embargo again. If they were going to have a right good go at promotion then it might be worth it but that is not the game here anymore.

The football ambition has gone from this club it left the moment these lot walked through the door. We are owned by wheeler dealers and now the staff at the club are following suite. If we were in the Prem Harry Redknapp would have loved this job

We should have hired 'arry

[Stuart]

It sounds like a few posters are falling for Shaws embargo story, which is nothing more than justification for selling the best striker in the division.

How much money has Bowyer been given to bring in players BEFORE we went into the embargo? Not much, and he'll not get much money when we come out either.

You don't sell your best players in the hope that you can pay £100k here and £500k there for other teams cast offs.

You can see it now Gav. We'll sell Rhodes and then there will be another "reason" why we can't replace him or worse still a technicality meaning we remain under embargo still.

[Gav]

You can see it now Gav. We'll sell Rhodes and then there will be another "reason" why we can't replace him or worse still a technicality meaning we remain under embargo still.

Yes thats my thoughts exactly Stuart, we can't help feeling this way, we've been kicked in the balls so many times in the past 5yrs its just expected now.

Shaw has said nothing about FFP and the embargo for months, then he pops up during the transfer frenzie over Rhodes with this gem.

I've said all along I think he'll go, I still think its a distinct possibility, time will tell.

[EgyptianPete]

Yes thats my thoughts exactly Stuart, we can't help feeling this way, we've been kicked in the balls so many times in the past 5yrs its just expected now.

Shaw has said nothing about FFP and the embargo for months, then he pops up during the transfer frenzie over Rhodes with this gem.

I've said all along I think he'll go, I still think its a distinct possibility, time will tell.

sooner rather than later, i just hope we keep him until January

[Coatbridge rover]

Has he gone yet?

[Gav]

sooner rather than later, i just hope we keep him until January

I'm not sure what that will achieve? I guess his goals could keep us up?

People on here moaned their way through last season, people in the ground did the same, can you imagine how bad it will be without Rhodes and Gestedes goals? because we've no goals in the current squad if Rhodes goes.

[1864roverite]

You don't sell your best players in the hope that you can pay £100k here and £500k there for other teams cast offs.

Like the profit on King, Gestede and Cairney?

Get real Gav its the world we now have to live in as a club.

[Al]

Personally, I find the situation with Rhodes the same as the one with Gestede. Once a player indicates he wants to leave then get as much as you can for him and let him go. Both players clearly want to leave and players who indicate that usually get their way. Trying to keep players who want to move rarely works as you can never be sure just how committed they are to the club once they have indicated they want away.

Normally Parson I would agree with you but at the moment we cannot replace him.

If this FFP is successfully challenged in court we should sue the League's arse off.

[JHRover]

Like the profit on King, Gestede and Cairney?

Get real Gav its the world we now have to live in as a club.

So the world we have to live in as a club is selling our star players to stellar names like Fulham and Middlesbrough?

Why don't Fulham and Middlesbrough have to live in the same world as us? They are free to go around spending millions without a care in the world.

I hope you're not suggesting that Rovers are a smaller club than those two and therefore should get used to selling their best players to clubs in the same division?

[tomphil]

How can we ever hope to build a team to go anywhere if we are going to spend 100 to 500k on players, give them games then keep selling them after 18 months . You can bet that's the plan , quick turnover, If it's all going to be about making money - plenty lining pockets - whilst providing good wages and good commission for those doing it then certain factions will be happy for us to remain a midtable Champ club. Not much for fans to actually buy into. At least when Crewe used to do it they played nice football worth watching to keep fans interested. These lot have no football ethos at all.

[mhead]

If we do not sell Rhodes and miss Adam Le Fondre, I will be mightily disappointed at the missed opportunity to change our style.

It is incompatible with our current financial position to have a valuable player like Jordan on 40k per week. Especially when so many are wanting the Manager to tighten up the defence and improve the fluidity of the team. Part of the problem stems from the lack of 'all round' play of the CF in an all too one track approach to retaining possession(or usually losing it).

The current inclusion of at least 7 home grown players in the first team squad is encouraging -they will be enthusiastic and we need to give them the right pattern of play where we become a young,vibrant team with a young,vibrant style of play.

[Gav]

Like the profit on King, Gestede and Cairney?

Get real Gav its the world we now have to live in as a club.

You seem happy with living in that world 1864, you seem to have come to terms with it, I wish I could, I'm sure its a better place to be.

[Athlete]

Yes thats my thoughts exactly Stuart, we can't help feeling this way, we've been kicked in the balls so many times in the past 5yrs its just expected now.

Shaw has said nothing about FFP and the embargo for months, then he pops up during the transfer frenzie over Rhodes with this gem.

I've said all along I think he'll go, I still think its a distinct possibility, time will tell.

Shaw the rogue who tried to punt JR on last pre season

How he remains at this club is a mystery I wonder if Shelfy is cleverer than we give him credit for... We can only guess

According to Sky, Le Fondre is having a medical at Wolves today. My guess is that they're paying out hard cash, which we can't do.

I can't see the point in selling Rhodes. The only way we'll replace him is if we go back under the embargo, by paying out cash for someone. I say take the gamble and stick with him.

Its not a gamble JR is a pro and if not sold will knuckle down and deliver his twenty a season

[ABBEY]

Like the profit on King, Gestede and Cairney?

Get real Gav its the world we now have to live in as a club.

So as a fan we have to accept being a feeder club and less competitive than Rotherham and the nobbers . Yet fans sit round and accept it pal ?

[1864roverite]

You seem happy with living in that world 1864, you seem to have come to terms with it, I wish I could, I'm sure its a better place to be.

Gav, I have accepted it but it doesn't mean that I am happy about it. At some point each and everyone of us Rovers fans will HAVE to accept it, whether you hate venkys or not and whether we like it or not.

I have seen us in the dire depths before then witnessed it all change because of 1 man and a class act who ran this club in ship shape fashion. Because the trust allowed venkys to ride roughshod over the legacy of Jack Walker, it is that lot who should hold their heads in shame because if they had done their homework properly they would never have sold out.

Enter Kean and co and they took the club for a ride and an expensive one at that, a ride the club is still paying for and will continue to do so until the money runs out and they get bored.

I believe it will take another relegation to turn this club around BUT I also realise that if a real manager was employed this current squad could get us up.

We have missed two golden opportunities to right the wrongs and failed miserably, this third and final chance is the last chance we will ever have of reaching the Premier League.

That's the sadness of the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.

So as a fan we have to accept being a feeder club and less competitive than Rotherham and the nobbers . Yet fans sit round and accept it pal ?

Come on Trenny, you know that isn't right. Rovers have been well and truly put over a financial barrel because of the way it was sold and then run. We are now seeing the end of those days. If we don't go up this season venkys will leave, the players will be sold and the club will face a points penalty as it nose dives into the 1st Division and beyond.

At this time, we are just about keeping heads above water. Should we fail, then we will be well below the likes of bumley and nobbers because we will be reaping what has been sown for us.

[Athlete]

Gav, I have accepted it but it doesn't mean that I am happy about it. At some point each and everyone of us Rovers fans will HAVE to accept it, whether you hate venkys or not and whether we like it or not.

I have seen us in the dire depths before then witnessed it all change because of 1 man and a class act who ran this club in ship shape fashion. Because the trust allowed venkys to ride roughshod over the legacy of Jack Walker, it is that lot who should hold their heads in shame because if they had done their homework properly they would never have sold out.

Enter Kean and co and they took the club for a ride and an expensive one at that, a ride the club is still paying for and will continue to do so until the money runs out and they get bored.

I believe it will take another relegation to turn this club around BUT I also realise that if a real manager was employed this current squad could get us up.

We have missed two golden opportunities to right the wrongs and failed miserably, this third and final chance is the last chance we will ever have of reaching the Premier League.

That's the sadness of the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.

Come on Trenny, you know that isn't right. Rovers have been well and truly put over a financial barrel because of the way it was sold and then run. We are now seeing the end of those days. If we don't go up this season venkys will leave, the players will be sold and the club will face a points penalty as it nose dives into the 1st Division and beyond.

At this time, we are just about keeping heads above water. Should we fail, then we will be well below the likes of bumley and nobbers because we will be reaping what has been sown for us.

Can see us being below both of them in all honesty

[ABBEY]

No chance of promotion pal . I will never accept anything the slum dogs and that ass wipe Shaw . I want them gone .

[JHRover]

If we do not sell Rhodes and miss Adam Le Fondre, I will be mightily disappointed at the missed opportunity to change our style.

It is incompatible with our current financial position to have a valuable player like Jordan on 40k per week. Especially when so many are wanting the Manager to tighten up the defence and improve the fluidity of the team. Part of the problem stems from the lack of 'all round' play of the CF in an all too one track approach to retaining possession(or usually losing it).

The current inclusion of at least 7 home grown players in the first team squad is encouraging -they will be enthusiastic and we need to give them the right pattern of play where we become a young,vibrant team with a young,vibrant style of play.

So please explain how it is 'simply incompatible' for us to have a valuable player like Rhodes on whatever wage he is on, yet the only team trying to sign him is Middlesbrough.

Can I just remind you that Middlesbrough are in the same league as us. Have similar crowds to us. Come from an impoverished industrial town (like us). Are solely reliant on hand outs from their owners (like us).

I would say it is simply incompatible for you to say we can't afford someone like Rhodes yet the only team taking an interest in him are willing to match/better his wage here and pay £12 million for him. How does that add up?

It's quite clear that we CAN afford to pay one player like Rhodes a wage like he is on, providing the owners are willing to pick up the tab for that. I think the club has admitted as much when it said that Jake Kean was the last of those on big money that the club wanted rid of. Rhodes doesn't come into that category.

[Gav]

Gav, I have accepted it but it doesn't mean that I am happy about it. At some point each and everyone of us Rovers fans will HAVE to accept it, whether you hate venkys or not and whether we like it or not.

I have seen us in the dire depths before then witnessed it all change because of 1 man and a class act who ran this club in ship shape fashion. Because the trust allowed venkys to ride roughshod over the legacy of Jack Walker, it is that lot who should hold their heads in shame because if they had done their homework properly they would never have sold out.

Enter Kean and co and they took the club for a ride and an expensive one at that, a ride the club is still paying for and will continue to do so until the money runs out and they get bored.

I believe it will take another relegation to turn this club around BUT I also realise that if a real manager was employed this current squad could get us up.

We have missed two golden opportunities to right the wrongs and failed miserably, this third and final chance is the last chance we will ever have of reaching the Premier League.

That's the sadness of the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.

Come on Trenny, you know that isn't right. Rovers have been well and truly put over a financial barrel because of the way it was sold and then run. We are now seeing the end of those days. If we don't go up this season venkys will leave, the players will be sold and the club will face a points penalty as it nose dives into the 1st Division and beyond.

At this time, we are just about keeping heads above water. Should we fail, then we will be well below the likes of bumley and nobbers because we will be reaping what has been sown for us.

The trust are not responsible for this mess, but thats a side issue I know.

Jack Walker deserves better than whats currently happening to his club and his legacy.

Does nobody feel a sense of obligation towards that man?

[Al]

The trust are not responsible for this mess, but thats a side issue I know.

Jack Walker deserves better than whats currently happening to his club and his legacy.

Does nobody feel a sense of obligation towards that man?

I'm sure that the trust didn't do anything illegal but I'm also sure that they found a way to get around the spirit of Jack's legacy. The Walker heirs should be ashamed of themselves.

[Rover_Shaun]

I think you've misquoted him. Think he was trying to say "reading on here, Lowe's worth £6mill. In the real world, nobody at the club except Rhodes is worth £6mill"

"Reading here, Lowe? Real world, nobody."

A couple of commas would have made all the difference

Written in haste, via mobile whilst having breakfast in Arnside. Perfectly legible though.

Mustards brain 1 Cabbage brain 0

[Gav]

I'm sure that the trust didn't do anything illegal but I'm also sure that they found a way to get around the spirit of Jack's legacy. The Walker heirs should be ashamed of themselves.

If you sell your house, the buyers need to be able to afford it and make sure they have funds in place, same with the sale of the club, the trust sold to the people who fulfilled the criteria, end of discussion for me.

As for the family, they are not and were not involved when Jack was alive, so also share not responsibility as far as I'm concerned.

The fans should feel a sense of obligation to a man that made all our wildest dreams come true, but thats clearly not the case sadly.