[Archived] Rhodes Wants To Leave

[Al]

If you sell your house, the buyers need to be able to afford it and make sure they have funds in place, same with the sale of the club, the trust sold to the people who fulfilled the criteria, end of discussion for me.

As for the family, they are not and were not involved when Jack was alive, so also share not responsibility as far as I'm concerned.

The fans should feel a sense of obligation to a man that made all our wildest dreams come true, but thats clearly not the case sadly.

They inherited the money without doing a tap to deserve it and with it they should have inherited the responsibility to the community. That was Jack's wish and that should have been respected.

[Plastics]

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[Gav]

They inherited the money without doing a tap to deserve it and with it they should have inherited the responsibility to the community. That was Jack's wish and that should have been respected.

Most people inherit Al, doesn't mean you have to keep the legacy going, especially if you've no interest in the product.

The current Walkers owe us nothing, the Roas on the otherhand......

[perthblue02]

Most people inherit Al, doesn't mean you have to keep the legacy going, especially if you've no interest in the product.

The current Walkers owe us nothing, the Roas on the otherhand......

Surely nobody doubts the words of the Queen of Pune (or whichever project partner wrote it for her)

"We will absolutely respect the Jack Walker legacy and will be actively supporting the organisation to ensure that Blackburn Rovers remain one of the best-run clubs within the Premier League."

[LewisF]

Surely nobody doubts the words of the Queen of Pune (or whichever project partner wrote it for her)

"We will absolutely respect the Jack Walker legacy and will be actively supporting the organisation to ensure that Blackburn Rovers remain one of the best-run clubs within the Premier League."

Stupid bitch

They've @#/? it all up

[Gav]

Surely nobody doubts the words of the Queen of Pune (or whichever project partner wrote it for her)

"We will absolutely respect the Jack Walker legacy and will be actively supporting the organisation to ensure that Blackburn Rovers remain one of the best-run clubs within the Premier League."

Makes you weep doesn't it.

Lying inept cow.

[thenodrog]

So the world we have to live in as a club is selling our star players to stellar names like Fulham and Middlesbrough?

Why don't Fulham and Middlesbrough have to live in the same world as us? They are free to go around spending millions without a care in the world.

I hope you're not suggesting that Rovers are a smaller club than those two and therefore should get used to selling their best players to clubs in the same division?

Whilst they may be on the edge of their means they didn't have two shysters running the show for two years effectively racking up gazillions of debt by 'selling' unbreakable contracts with stupidly high remuneration on to the highest bidders did they? Gibson and Al Fayed are a lot more savvy on English football than our lot were.

Just as an aside have you been away for a few years JH..... as in on another planet?

[Rover_Shaun]

I can imagine Gav on the beach doing the role of Charlton Heston in the planet of the apes

[thenodrog]

You seem happy with living in that world 1864, you seem to have come to terms with it, I wish I could, I'm sure its a better place to be.

The Walker years were a bubble in our history gav and you well know it.

[Rover_Shaun]

Looking back at the facts the 3rd division is a bubble in our history. But in your current 'haze' you like to peddle it as the norm.

[thenodrog]

So as a fan we have to accept being a feeder club and less competitive than Rotherham and the nobbers . Yet fans sit round and accept it pal ?

It seems that's about the shape of it abbey. Precisely what happens in any situation when you spend way above your means. Do you know of any other options?

[thenodrog]

No chance of promotion pal . I will never accept anything the slum dogs and that ass wipe Shaw . I want them gone .

Abbey, you (and others) appear to have erased all memory of the wreckage caused by Kean and Anderson and are lashing out at convenient targets. I'm sure the Venkys must share their shoulder of the burden and that Shaw is unlikely to be the best man for the job but never forget who are the real villains in all this.

So please explain how it is 'simply incompatible' for us to have a valuable player like Rhodes on whatever wage he is on, yet the only team trying to sign him is Middlesbrough.

Can I just remind you that Middlesbrough are in the same league as us. Have similar crowds to us. Come from an impoverished industrial town (like us). Are solely reliant on hand outs from their owners (like us).

I would say it is simply incompatible for you to say we can't afford someone like Rhodes yet the only team taking an interest in him are willing to match/better his wage here and pay £12 million for him. How does that add up?

It's quite clear that we CAN afford to pay one player like Rhodes a wage like he is on, providing the owners are willing to pick up the tab for that. I think the club has admitted as much when it said that Jake Kean was the last of those on big money that the club wanted rid of. Rhodes doesn't come into that category.

You need to factor in debt or have you overlooked that?

[Jim Royle]

So please explain how it is 'simply incompatible' for us to have a valuable player like Rhodes on whatever wage he is on, yet the only team trying to sign him is Middlesbrough.

Can I just remind you that Middlesbrough are in the same league as us. Have similar crowds to us. Come from an impoverished industrial town (like us). Are solely reliant on hand outs from their owners (like us).

I would say it is simply incompatible for you to say we can't afford someone like Rhodes yet the only team taking an interest in him are willing to match/better his wage here and pay £12 million for him. How does that add up?

It's quite clear that we CAN afford to pay one player like Rhodes a wage like he is on, providing the owners are willing to pick up the tab for that. I think the club has admitted as much when it said that Jake Kean was the last of those on big money that the club wanted rid of. Rhodes doesn't come into that category.

Bleeding hell JH, all they are doing is spending now to build a squad that during the next three yrs gives them a hell of a chance of going up. They will be embargoed, if they don't go up in year 1, but they won't care as they will have the players they want to challenge for years 2 & 3.

There is no conspiracy, just clubs taking a calculated risk or gamble. Hell some of them I bet are working on their appeals against the embargo right now. We didn't because wehave Derek at our tiller. And our owners don't really care.

[thenodrog]

I'm sure that the trust didn't do anything illegal but I'm also sure that they found a way to get around the spirit of Jack's legacy. The Walker heirs should be ashamed of themselves.

The Walker family subbed us for 20 years and 10 after Jack died. That's way more than enough for any individual benefactor. Why should they be ashamed when one considers the magnificent Ewood Park stadium built with their money in comparison to the decrepit dump they inherited? How about 20 years at the top table subsidised with their legacy? Forget Jack's family because with gates falling and revenue crashing it's the support base who aren't doing our bit and the support base who are letting Jacks work go to the dogs.

If I were Jack looking down I'd be damned glad my kids got out of the asylum. He would seriously worry for them if they were still holding the reins. For evidence look no further than the debt built up here and 10miles away at Bolton. Consider 2nd rate players like ALF commanding 16kpw and Rhodes on 40kpw whilst funding the millionaire lifestyles of flakes like Murphy, Best, Etohu, Orr and worst of all being swindled for millions by those two shysters. The way it has panned out now the Walkers couldn't have afforded to stay in the game. They did right.

[JHRover]

Whilst they may be on the edge of their means they didn't have two shysters running the show for two years effectively racking up gazillions of debt by 'selling' unbreakable contracts with stupidly high remuneration on to the highest bidders did they? Gibson and Al Fayed are a lot more savvy on English football than our lot were.

Just as an aside have you been away for a few years JH..... as in on another planet?

No, not at all. I just don't quite get why 'our place' in the football world is to occupy a mid-table second division slot whilst signing players purely to develop before selling a short while later to anyone who offers a profit on what we paid, even if the clubs making the offers are like us - second division clubs with nothing going for them that we don't.

I don't accept that when footballing powerhouses like Middlesbrough come along that we should just shrug our shoulders and accept a bid from them for one of our best players because 'that's where we are' or 'that's what we've become now'. If Middlesbrough are able to throw millions around like confetti then I don't accept we are destined for 20 years of struggling to pay the milkman.

I've already said that the debt situation is virtually irrelevant in relation to signing/selling players providing the owners are willing to keep it interest free and don't demand its repayment. It certainly doesn't have any relevance in terms of FUP.

All this talk about us 'reverting back' to what we were in the 1970's and 80's is frankly nonsense. The world and football has moved on. The money on offer for promotion alone means all clubs have to aim for it and spend to achieve it. Not just accept our place because that's where we were before Jack Walker came along. The last 25 years have changed this club beyond recognition and we must not simply ignore it and identify the 70's and 80's as being the best we can aspire to otherwise. Sometimes I think some Rovers fans look back at that era with a level of fondness as the 'good old days' and are far more comfortable with us being a club that regularly offloads its best players, even to rivals in the same division.

[jim mk2]

Looking back at the facts the 3rd division is a bubble in our history. But in your current 'haze' you like to peddle it as the norm.

Correct. We've been a top league or second tier club for vast majority of our history. The fall to the third division was an aberration. There is also no such phenomenon as a "natural level". The club is as good as the people who run it.

[JHRover]

The Walker family subbed us for 20 years and 10 after Jack died. That's way more than enough for any individual benefactor. Why should they be ashamed when one considers the magnificent Ewood Park stadium built with their money in comparison to the decrepit dump they inherited? How about 20 years at the top table subsidised with their legacy? Forget Jack's family because with gates falling and revenue crashing it's the support base who aren't doing our bit and the support base who are letting Jacks work go to the dogs.

If I were Jack looking down I'd be damned glad my kids got out of the asylum. He would seriously worry for them if they were still holding the reins. For evidence look no further than the debt built up here and 10miles away at Bolton. Consider 2nd rate players like ALF commanding 16kpw and Rhodes on 40kpw whilst funding the millionaire lifestyles of flakes like Murphy, Best, Etohu, Orr and worst of all being swindled for millions by those two shysters. The way it has panned out now the Walkers couldn't have afforded to stay in the game. They did right.

The Walker family didn't sub us for 20 years and 10 after Jack died.

Jack Walker subbed us using his personal wealth for about 13 years. Then when he was nearing the end of his life he set up a trust fund to manage his various business interests and wealth, which amounted to hundreds of millions of pounds and included a large scale airline and Premier League football club.

The money in that fund was his, the businesses were his. He instructed those in the trust to manage those interests after he had died. The trust had no say in the matter. They were paid by Jack Walker to do it. It wasn't his family making the decisions. It was his lawyers and associates who he had brought into his empire who were tasked with running things properly after his death.

I remember quite clearly that Jack Walker, before he died, made assurances that the trust fund he was setting up would ensure that it would be business as usual for the forseeable future beyond his death. That meant running his businesses successfully and in the case of Rovers investing money from other areas into the football club.

I reiterate that these people on the trust didn't have a choice. It shouldnt have mattered whether or not they had a passion for football or the club or whether they agreed with funding the club using profits from elsewhere. They had to do as Jack had instructed. Full stop.

I'm sure Jack's instructions weren't to offload the club to the first people willing to pay what they wanted. Let a group of Indian poultry people through the door and leave them to run the club as long as they were prepared to pay the going rate.

You can dress it up all you like. The fact is that the Trust was in place to ensure that the club was in good hands in the long term, and ultimately the Trust has failed in its objective by selling Jack's club to a group of people not fit or proper to own a football club.

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall though, because most people will never accept that the Trust have any responsibility or blame for the situation this club is in. The reality is that if it had been a lifelong Rovers fan in talks about selling to Venkys then they probably wouldn't have got anywhere near buying the club. I certainly wouldn't have even got round a table with them if it was Jerome Anderson leading their bid.

I know that whatever they promised as a Rovers fan I wouldn't have sold the club to a group of people with no interest or experience in football. But I'm a Rovers fan who wants the best for the club so I would have thoroughly vetted anyone wanting to buy it.

Meanwhile the Walker trust had a choice between Ahsan Ali Syed and Venkys and were more than happy to take their £20 million and clear off into the sunset without a care in the world for what happened to Jack Walker's club.

It's shameful.

[Coatbridge rover]

That's the best post ✉ ever.

[onlyonejackwalker]

Although you argue your point well, I can't help feeling your love of the club clouds your view.

Charged with protecting Jacks best interests, it could be argued selling a loss making enterprise was shrewd.

Meanwhile as explained to you before. If the status quo had been maintained for 2 / 3 more years they would be making big money from the TV deal with Allardyce keeping us in the PL. Selling then was a stupid decision.

How do you vet billionaires? Once it was explained they wished to buy Rovers as a promotional vehicle to access UK markets for their brands, naturally one would expect them to hope and wish the club would be successful to best promote their investment and products. Money plus reasonable intentions equals fit and proper. Let's get it right, they are not wanted criminals, just very foolish in this instance.

It's ok being wise after the event. I gave the Venkys a chance, although wary. It lasted about 2 weeks. The minute Big Sam was potted I knew we were going down and said so. CL on 5 million, Beckham? But too many fans thought the sun shone out of their backsides and agreed with Sam's sacking. Obvious then we had trouble afoot.

Has Rhodes left yet?

[Coatbridge rover]

From what I remember Jack left 3 million a year for the club.John Williams had the club making a profit.The trust fund was not used,who ended up with that,the trust are 100% responsible.

[roverandout]

This is going to go on forever, open your mouth you silly bitch

[perthblue02]

This is going to go on forever, open your mouth you silly bitch

Is that you Mr Desai?

[roverandout]

Aye, the cow is too busy counting her money from the gestede sale

[yoda's brother]

Is that you Mr Desai?

no its mr ke** over from middle east.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Aye, the cow is too busy counting her money from the gestede sale

Yeh sure she is there - off setting that £8m against the £100m+ the club has cost her so far.