[Archived] Rhodes Wants To Leave

[tomphil]

Simon Grayson, Gary Rowett and they had 3 others on the phone including Dyche and the Leeds manager.

Bowyer was the worst of the lot.

Cheers.

No wonder amongst those guys. Bowyer is just the genial nice guy probably still coming across very much as the coach in the managers chair ?

Always been impressed hearing Rowett speak, just how many points were they behind Rovers when he took over. Yet people cry that any change would be a bad move but look at him, no money and also a basket case club with a relatively poor squad as well.

[West Yorks Rover]

I think it would of been more appropriate had bowyer said these words , especially after Rhodes has spoken out

"We dont want to sell Jordan, he is very much key to what we are trying to achieve here, This window is challenging , but ultimately we are like the other 23 clubs in this division, fighting for 1 of 3 tickets to the Premier League. In order for us to do that we need to keep our key players and Jordan certainly falls in that category. We cant help it if other clubs show an interest in our players , however at the same time we are trying to build something here, this can only be achieved by keeping the squad together and not breaking it up every summer"

IMO , any more sales and Rovers and Bowyer are back to square one , in terms of spending another few years in trying to build another squad. Our finances dictate thats not possible, so on that basis we need some clever loans and the for sale sign needs to well and trully come down

Correct !

And he was pleading for managers' (him) to be given more time.

[RevidgeBlue]

In my honest opinion, Bowyer has sounded the least impressive of the 3 managers on the show.

And let me say, the other 2 are hardly Mourinhoesque.

I agree. I thought Grays on and Rowett we're articulate intelligent and upbeat. GB sounded downbeat, hard done by and defeatist.

I hasten to add before anyone accuses us of being trivial: None of that matters a jot if we're riding high at Christmas and Brum and PNE are struggling.

[thenodrog]

Your post erased a lot of history and facts.

When the Walkers were here, none of those players you mentioned were. That is what we quickly became after being infiltrated by leeches at all levels. We had a respected manager, serviceable debts in that we had valuable players in the squad and had successfully improved and traded players for fees that would give GB wet dreams, superb infrastructure and were for the best part of 20 years - like to accept it or not - an established top flight team due to shrewdness, hard work, key decision making and learning from mistakes.

Yet you think Jack would be looking down on his family thinking they should cut and run? No chance. Other than that, yeah you were slap, bang in reality.

When it gets to hot in the kitchen get out.

Anyway who cares about history? History is for misty eyed dreamers. Apparently from reading recent posts most have now forgotten that we ever won the Premier League! You can look in the rear view mirror all you want I'd rather look forward. Fact of the matter is that only Jack and one son even professed to like football!

What a plonker.

Why? Silly post and especially so because you don't know whether it's gone up or down. Any chance to sling more mud eh?

I think it would of been more appropriate had bowyer said these words , especially after Rhodes has spoken out

"We dont want to sell Jordan, he is very much key to what we are trying to achieve here, This window is challenging , but ultimately we are like the other 23 clubs in this division, fighting for 1 of 3 tickets to the Premier League. In order for us to do that we need to keep our key players and Jordan certainly falls in that category. We cant help it if other clubs show an interest in our players , however at the same time we are trying to build something here, this can only be achieved by keeping the squad together and not breaking it up every summer"

IMO , any more sales and Rovers and Bowyer are back to square one , in terms of spending another few years in trying to build another squad. Our finances dictate thats not possible, so on that basis we need some clever loans and the for sale sign needs to well and trully come down

Bowyer would have been better not going on. Like many he is not at ease with a mic under his nose. Doesn't reflect on his ability as a manager one bit.

Simon Grayson, Gary Rowett and they had 3 others on the phone including Dyche and the Leeds manager.

Bowyer was the worst of the lot.

Who cares? Sir Alf Ramsey was not the best at broadcasting. On the other hand SGE was exceptional. Nuff said.

[broadsword]

Is Bowyer a manager or a sales boy?

[yoda]

Is Bowyer a manager or a sales boy?

That's Degsy's department,

a wide sales boy

[chris_h]

Is Bowyer a manager or a sales boy?

Does he not need to be a bit of both in our current situation?

[broadsword]

Don't know about that, what is it achieving?

Boasting about the profit we're making on players, I don't recall any comments like that from a manager before. Makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable.

[chris_h]

Don't know about that, what is it achieving?

Boasting about the profit we're making on players, I don't recall any comments like that from a manager before. Makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable.

We haven't been in a situation like this before. If we keep flipping players for huge profits I'd be happy with that. Whoever is responsible for doing that could toot their horn to their hearts content for me.

[broadsword]

I was thinking that it'd take a long time flipping players for a profit to get us out of the muck, but it seems like one or two big sales and we're out of it. Which I don't really understand, but I'm grateful for it.

I can understand that you don't mind him boasting about it. Whatever our situation, it unfortunately does rankle with me, because I think it's for the consumption of the owners, and I think it represents a perversion of objectives. We used to try to win football matches, now it seems our first objective is to increase the value of the squad.

It does grate.

[JBiz]

I was thinking that it'd take a long time flipping players for a profit to get us out of the muck, but it seems like one or two big sales and we're out of it. Which I don't really understand, but I'm grateful for it.

I can understand that you don't mind him boasting about it. Whatever our situation, it unfortunately does rankle with me, because I think it's for the consumption of the owners, and I think it represents a perversion of objectives. We used to try to win football matches, now it seems our first objective is to increase the value of the squad.

It does grate.

How do you raise the price of your players?

[broadsword]

How do you raise the price of your players?

And what is the purpose of that post?

[ABBEY]

How do you raise the price of your players?

You don't .. 20 plus goal scorers you want to keep . It's weird he wants to quote percentages . Surly a real manager would bemoan the fact that his team is weaker rather than rejoice . Only in the world of venkshite

[JBiz]

I asked you a question first but ill answer yours, selling players at profit is useful for clubs with low turnover from season tickets and merchandising etc compared to other clubs in league.

Compound this with our bigger expenses - empty stadium, academy, training facilities, debts - selling players at a profit is necessary whilst we are operating at this level.

[Mattyblue]

How do you raise the price of your players?

By praising their performances, their attitude. By discussing how they have improved.

Like Kean before him, Bowyer often talks about monetary value of players. Listen in to most other managers, they will rarely, if ever talk about how Joe Bloggs is now worth X% more than when was when purchased.

It's a safe bet to say that Desai is obviously keen on player profits and Bowyer is preaching to the choir. You can't really blame him, I just find it a rather sad state of affairs that makes it clear to other clubs that bids are welcomed.

[broadsword]

I asked you a question first but ill answer yours, selling players at profit is useful for clubs with low turnover from season tickets and merchandising etc compared to other clubs in league.

Compound this with our bigger expenses - empty stadium, academy, training facilities, debts - selling players at a profit is necessary whilst we are operating at this level.

You did ask me a question first, which seemed irrelevant to the point I was making. You've gone off at a complete tangent, I'm glad I didn't go to teh trouble of answering what seemed to be a leading question.

[JBiz]

You don't .. 20 plus goal scorers you want to keep . It's weird he wants to quote percentages . Surly a real manager would bemoan the fact that his team is weaker rather than rejoice . Only in the world of venkshite

I'm not saying sell, I'm asking how do you raise the price?

As for the point you make on the topic - if he stays and scores goals, hooray, if he leaves - we'll get over it. GB already said he wanted to keep him but it's up to the owners and the main person - Jordan. Players have the power.

This has been happening for longer than "venkshite" abbey- Shearer, Sutton, Bellamy, Santa Cruz etc all scored plenty of goals and where allowed to leave.

[ABBEY]

Yes they were allowed to leave and we were allowed to replace them .

[JBiz]

You did ask me a question first, which seemed irrelevant to the point I was making. You've gone off at a complete tangent, I'm glad I didn't go to teh trouble of answering what seemed to be a leading question.

It's because you know the answer is get them performing on the pitch. Why does Gestede now wear a premier league strip and likely get paid 30k a week? Why do a team who want to get promoted keep offering 10+ million for one of our players?

Is it because, during training the coaches tell the players "come on, you're not worth the money we want for you yet!"?

Is it heck.

[broadsword]

Again, you're going off at a tangent. What has that got to do with what I was saying?

[JBiz]

Yes they were allowed to leave and we were allowed to replace them .

Embargo or not they will be replaced sooner or later.

[ABBEY]

Oh ok .. Yes what a cool way let's replace them with infererior players .

[JBiz]

We used to try to win football matches, now it seems our first objective is to increase the value of the squad.

This is what directly led me to my question- you see trying and succeeding to win games will increase the value of your squad.

Not a tangent at all.

[chris_h]

By praising their performances, their attitude. By discussing how they have improved.

Like Kean before him, Bowyer often talks about monetary value of players. Listen in to most other managers, they will rarely, if ever talk about how Joe Bloggs is now worth X% more than when was when purchased.

It's a safe bet to say that Desai is obviously keen on player profits and Bowyer is preaching to the choir. You can't really blame him, I just find it a rather sad state of affairs that makes it clear to other clubs that bids are welcomed.

Bids are welcome if they meet the valuation. Otherwise the bidders are ignored.

We've never been apex predators, even in the mid 90s. Now we've slipped down the food chain unearthing players, moving them on for profit and reinvesting is our only credible means of survival. Bowyer is playing his part, why should he hide his light under a bushel? If I made my employer a whopping profit if be making sure they knew about it as well.

[ABBEY]

And selling your best players and replacing with crap won't increase the value