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I haven't watched Leicester much (including today) but I don't believe the likes of Simpson can just become world beaters overnight. Ranieri is still a man who has underachieved over and over again in the vast majority of cases. I just simply can't see them maintaining this level of performance. You have to take possible injuries, suspensions, etc into account as well.

This is exactly what people were saying about the Dingles in their promotion season the other year.

And then they went up.

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I'm most likely going over old ground but as I don't visit this site as much as I used to, what is the situation with you, Vinjay, and City? You supported them for a while but now you've returned a Rover?

Send a PM.

I didn't have any idea what people were saying about Burnley in their promotion season.

If it wasn't for the fact that fans/players/media would likely be outraged Leicester's owners should seriously consider replacing Ranieri. It would be extremely cold and harsh but if they truly think they can end up as Champions they need every edge they can get. Its an outrageous statement to make but its not a wind up. That's exactly what I would consider doing as Leicester owner though I wouldn't have appointed Ranieri in the first place.

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Send a PM.

I didn't have any idea what people were saying about Burnley in their promotion season.

If it wasn't for the fact that fans/players/media would likely be outraged Leicester's owners should seriously consider replacing Ranieri. It would be extremely cold and harsh but if they truly think they can end up as Champions they need every edge they can get. Its an outrageous statement to make but its not a wind up. That's exactly what I would consider doing as Leicester owner though I wouldn't have appointed Ranieri in the first place.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I think I've heard it all now.

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I think I've heard it all now.

Not saying I would fire him because the players/fans would go berserk no matter who the replacement was. Just that it would be an extremely strong thought because he still has a loser's reputation. Don't think for one moment Leicester's owners have even considered it.

I just can't help thinking if they had someone like Mourinho (even if it was a 3-4 month contract not saying they could get him permanently) their odds would be slightly better. Of course the players/fans wouldn't look at it that way. There's no chance they would put their hearts over their minds even if they know deep down Mourinho is a much better manager.

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Not saying I would fire him because the players/fans would go berserk no matter who the replacement was. Just that it would be an extremely strong thought because he still has a loser's reputation. Don't think for one moment Leicester's owners have even considered it.

I just can't help thinking if they had someone like Mourinho (even if it was a 3-4 month contract not saying they could get him permanently) their odds would be slightly better. Of course the players/fans wouldn't look at it that way. There's no chance they would put their hearts over their minds even if they know deep down Mourinho is a much better manager.

But if you were the owner of the club and you replaced Ranieri with Mourinho for the last dozen games because you thought it might clinch the league for you and it failed you would be forever known as the idiot who blew Leicester's (possibly) only chance of ever becoming premier league champions. And who would ever want to work for you again after treating Ranieri like that? It isn't Champ Manager mate, its real life football.

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But if you were the owner of the club and you replaced Ranieri with Mourinho for the last dozen games because you thought it might clinch the league for you and it failed you would be forever known as the idiot who blew Leicester's (possibly) only chance of ever becoming premier league champions. And who would ever want to work for you again after treating Ranieri like that? It isn't Champ Manager mate, its real life football.

Let me make it clear I wouldn't fire him just that it would be a strong thought. There is simply a part of my mind which is absolutely ruthless in football terms. In most cases the odds of winning the title would be better with Mourinho than Ranieri in my opinion.

Of course this wouldn't be like most cases. The fans would probably riot, players would probably strike, etc. It would most likely destroy their title challenge and probably risk losing a CL spot.

They wouldn't look at it from the perspective that Ranieri has consistently been a loser and Mourinho is a better manager. I know that but if somehow they could be persuaded to look at it that way and put their emotions aside I would fire him.

Once again however I know emotions would win over cold, clinical logic. I won't deny my mind is probably somewhat unbalanced (which explains such a crazy thought) but just try and see the point I'm making.

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Let me make it clear I wouldn't fire him just that it would be a strong thought. There is simply a part of my mind which is absolutely ruthless in football terms. In most cases the odds of winning the title would be better with Mourinho than Ranieri in my opinion.

Of course this wouldn't be like most cases. The fans would probably riot, players would probably strike, etc. It would most likely destroy their title challenge and probably risk losing a CL spot.

They wouldn't look at it from the perspective that Ranieri has consistently been a loser and Mourinho is a better manager. I know that but if somehow they could be persuaded to look at it that way and put their emotions aside I would fire him.

Once again however I know emotions would win over cold, clinical logic. I won't deny my mind is probably somewhat unbalanced but just try and see the point I'm making.

I can see the point you're making its just that I fundamentally disagree with it, on every level possible.

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Where football is concerned I won't deny crazy thoughts sometimes enter my mind. Not referring to my general chosen topics of discussion (takeovers, etc) in the past usually just one off instances. That's why I used the word "unbalanced" as I know the majority of people wouldn't even contemplate such a thing.

To use an example Venkys were not the first people to think of Maradona for Rovers manager. Just 3 months earlier I saw him linked to Villa and a crazy thought came into my head. This was when Syed was looking good. People laughed at me for suggesting it and said Maradona's a maniac, terrible manager, you know nothing about football, just winding us up, etc. I knew the thought was crazy even said I knew they would call me insane. I know Maradona's a complete maniac.

A few months later though a few respected people on here actually welcomed the idea. For instance saying they would be excited as hell, huge global publicity (not parochial as I so often used to say) and that it might work with the right coaching staff. Tom M for instance one of the main moderators on here said exactly that. They were exactly the thoughts I had which made me suggest it in the first place.

Of course they would never have had the idea in the first place. The fact that some people welcomed it made me feel that my thought wasn't quite so crazy after all. Could Maradona have worked? It would have been one hell of a risk but how incredible would it have been to find out? I genuinely didn't say it to wind them up (though I knew it would) Maradona would have excited the hell out of me.

Just for the record I wouldn't have suggested Justin Bieber or any major celebrities for manager. I'm not that crazy lol.

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I was about to post similar DE. What motivation does Pelligrini have now, and why should the players care what he wants from them. I presume City wanted to avoid speculation between now and next season but it could really have hurt them this season.

Very mixed feelings about Leicester. I do want them to break the monopoly but it's another name on the roll of honour for that particular trophy (inevitably I suppose) and another nail in the coffin of our former status.

Don't agree with that, Alan. It's another city club doing well, they've all had their turns (well most of them). A small town club winning it. Well that was something else.

It does not matter if the they are a town team or a city team. When we won it we had finished 2nd the year before and we threw millions at it. Leicester just avoided relegation last year and were favourites to go down this year. The circumstances could not be more different.

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Are you serious!?!?!!

It's not the first time he's been caught acting like a dick in a casino. Did you read the story? Had to be put in a headlock by a team mate to stop him fighting. Not arsed about the "Jap" bit particularly, although it's not pleasant.

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Shearer making the bizarre comparison of Leicester to Rovers just now.

Come on now Vinjay, not quite as bizzare as sacking Ranieri and installing Mourinho with 12 games to go lol.

There are some fairly basic and vague comparisons, but if Leicester were to win it, it would in my opinion eclipse Rovers' title win in terms of being an amazing achievement.

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You can understand the comparison in terms of an unfancied team winning the title. Obviously at the time we had a good amount of money pumped into the team, but what other comparison in the Premier League era can be made?

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Leicester's owner is worth about $2 billion, so let's not pretend they're training in the park with jumpers for goalposts. I still want them to win though.

Yeah but it's the relative spending. We were paying as much as (if not more than) any other club for players at the time we were challenging for the title, and most clubs were using their resources to make their stadia fulfill the Taylor recommendations, whereas Jack had ringfenced money to upgrade ewood. Not trying to downgrade our achievement but I do think Leicester winning the title would surpass it in the sense of it being unexpected and a relative lack of spending. They should have been relegated last season!

You can understand the comparison in terms of an unfancied team winning the title. Obviously at the time we had a good amount of money pumped into the team, but what other comparison in the Premier League era can be made?

None really but I would compare it to the other East midlands teams winning the league in the 70s.

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None really but I would compare it to the other East midlands teams winning the league in the 70s.

Pre-92 would certainly make for better comparisons. There really is no precedent in the modern era for what's happening this season with Leicester.

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