[Archived] Premier League 2015/16 Thread

[Al]

What a shame for United. Now out of the champions league places.

[Husky]

In some ways it's a pity Spuds have such god damned cocky and dislikeable fans - as with a few young English players their team could be a neutrals choice.

But this is reality - they DO!

Grrrrrrrrrrr!

[Jock]

Can't stand Sperz the media darlings but it's funny how far behind Manure and the Victims are nowadays. Would like to think Leicester will see it out now. Games are running out for the London Scruffs.

[Husky]

What a shame for United. Now out of the champions league places.

I bet it's all gone quiet in Singapore................and Preston.

[Husky]

Can't stand Sperz the media darlings but it's funny how far behind Manure and the Victims are nowadays. Would like to think Leicester will see it out now. Games are running out for the London Scruffs.

MOTD2 was like a Spuds lovefest. Cringeworthy!

It's funny how people see different things. Roslin said Spuds have the trickier run in. When I looked at the fixtures I thought Spuds had a @#/? easy run in culminating in a gimme game at Humbug central.

[donnermeat]

MOTD2 was like a Spuds lovefest. Cringeworthy!

It's funny how people see different things. Roslin said Spuds have the trickier run in. When I looked at the fixtures I thought Spuds had a @#/? easy run in culminating in a gimme game at Humbug central.

Jonathan Pearce was wetting himself over West Ham on the flagship show yesterday too, cringeworthy also.

[VinjayV4]

MOTD2 was like a Spuds lovefest. Cringeworthy!

It's funny how people see different things. Roslin said Spuds have the trickier run in. When I looked at the fixtures I thought Spuds had a @#/? easy run in culminating in a gimme game at Humbug central.

Sure you're exaggerating. If people are complimenting them rightly so even if most do want Leicester to win it. Know people don't like their fans and Spurs supporting journalists but the players/manager have been excellent. I don't know how Ranieri has done it but I bet Pochettino is the one who ultimately wins more league titles. Whether its with Spurs (another English club though I think it would be stupidity to go to United) or somewhere like Barca/Madrid.

I haven't seen any pro Spurs bias generally. The media seem quite unanimous from what I've seen in favor of Leicester. Certainly one guy on MOTD isn't against them!

Have to say there's some irony as in 1992 Leicester missed out and it was all about the great future ahead for Rovers.

Talk about a change in fortunes though obviously Leicester might not do it again anytime soon. They need to spend HUGE in the summer...but the problem there is would it unsettle the team spirit? Well Rovers had a great team spirit in 94-95 but Harford made the mistake of not bringing in some big names and the spirit dropped in 95-96. Leicester shouldn't make the same error. Not that I'm making a comparison really the Leeds 1992 title win (albeit it on the Leicester level) is far more of a surprise than Rovers title victory was. Rod Wallace was one of their main men for goodness sake and he wasn't one of the top strikers around for very long!

If Leicester don't win the title now then they will only have themselves (though perhaps that's contradictory because I base the league table on entire season) to blame in most people's eyes. People should congratulate Spurs if they manage to pull it off against such odds.

[DE.]

More often than not though that was true to be fair Abbey. He might well be losing his touch....

A fair few including myself speculated Sunderland might be a job too far for Allardyce, seems that may be the case. As you say, it doesn't diminish an otherwise stellar record throughout his career.

As far as the title goes, I still think the gap is too much for Spurs to make up now. Leicester's form would have to tail off quite dramatically for Spurs to overtake them.

[ABBEY]

so sam is super hero but when he fails its one too far ..haha

K & D ,come on don't stoop that low.

what about the " teams go crap when he leaves ,grass is greener" ? (west ham )

[donnermeat]

Allardyce is an ideal manager for a club like Sunderland, if they had appointed him in the summer. I was one that thought he had bitten off more than he can chew as Sunderland have been on a steady downward decline for a number of years now. No surprised with the standard of player that's been brought in really the last few years.

[K-Hod]

so sam is super hero but when he fails its one too far ..haha

K & D ,come on don't stoop that low.

what about the " teams go crap when he leaves ,grass is greener" ? (west ham )

He's no super hero, but really how many teams bar West Ham have been better off with him leaving? Bilic has been incredible for them this season, no question. (Bolton, us, Newcastle all were relegated after he left). There's no stooping low as just admitting the facts. The West Ham thing is an exception to the rule as far as I'm concerned.

[Oldgregg86]

With big Sam at the helm next season I am confident they will get promoted at the first attempt.

[ABBEY]

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ABBEY, on 11 Apr 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:



so sam is super hero but when he fails its one too far ..haha
K & D ,come on don't stoop that low.
what about the " teams go crap when he leaves ,grass is greener" ? (west ham )

He's no super hero, but really how many teams bar West Ham have been better off with him leaving? Bilic has been incredible for them this season, no question. (Bolton, us, Newcastle all were relegated after he left). There's no stooping low as just admitting the facts. The West Ham thing is an exception to the rule as far as I'm concerned.


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THIS NO QUOTE IS A PAIN

The argument on here or should I say the statement on here has been IF YOU HAVE SAM YOU WONT GET RELEGATED AND TEAMS WILL BE WORSE OFF.

So now its being proved as a myth the rules are changed to ,yea but ....

[DE.]

I think being objective it's impossible to argue Allardyce hasn't met and exceeded his targets at practically every club he's been at. He may still yet get Sunderland out of trouble, so at the very least it's best to save the gloating until they actually go down.

No idea why any Rovers fan would have major hatred for Allardyce though. Saved us from relegation after the Ince debacle, kept us in the Prem pretty handily and has always spoken well of the club and fans despite receiving dubious treatment from certain sections of the support. Somehow Allardyce gets more vitriol than the likes of Ince, who not only badmouthed Rovers before he was appointed but very nearly got us relegated too.

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Posted 10 minutes ago

ABBEY, on 11 Apr 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

so sam is super hero but when he fails its one too far ..haha

K & D ,come on don't stoop that low.

what about the " teams go crap when he leaves ,grass is greener" ? (west ham )

He's no super hero, but really how many teams bar West Ham have been better off with him leaving? Bilic has been incredible for them this season, no question. (Bolton, us, Newcastle all were relegated after he left). There's no stooping low as just admitting the facts. The West Ham thing is an exception to the rule as far as I'm concerned.

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THIS NO QUOTE IS A PAIN

The argument on here or should I say the statement on here has been IF YOU HAVE SAM YOU WONT GET RELEGATED AND TEAMS WILL BE WORSE OFF.

So now its being proved as a myth the rules are changed to ,yea but ....

Good grief Abbey, nothing is certain in football! Just as Mourinho doesn't guarantee you a title, Allardyce doesn't guarantee you safety, but let's have it right, IF Sunderland go down, it's the first time he'll have relegated a team from the PL? That's an incredible record wouldn't you say? Like I said, no guarantees it's just giving the best possible chance of achieving your objectives. So, people praising Allardyce for his previously unblemished record is hardly wide of the mark, I just find it odd how people can't wait for that to possibly not be the case so they can be proven right.

I don't think Allardyce is the best thing since sliced bread, or that the football was breathtaking while he was here, but it was effective and functional for us at the time and that's what we needed then.

[VinjayV4]

Good grief Abbey, nothing is certain in football! Just as Mourinho doesn't guarantee you a title, Allardyce doesn't guarantee you safety, but let's have it right, IF Sunderland go down, it's the first time he'll have relegated a team from the PL? That's an incredible record wouldn't you say? Like I said, no guarantees it's just giving the best possible chance of achieving your objectives. So, people praising Allardyce for his previously unblemished record is hardly wide of the mark, I just find it odd how people can't wait for that to possibly not be the case so they can be proven right.

I don't think Allardyce is the best thing since sliced bread, or that the football was breathtaking while he was here, but it was effective and functional for us at the time and that's what we needed then.

Well in my case its because I dared to object when people treated him as the "relegation teflon man". Because I dared to suggest that Rovers could have ambitions better than Allardyce as West Ham have proven. None of those people with similar views said hey you know what...how about that coach Steve Kean? How about fire Allardyce and make Kean manager?

Personally I think he's a good, competent manager just not half as good as he thinks he is. He just wasn't the long term image I wanted for Blackburn Rovers and to reject Mancini in favor of him was an absolute joke. I wasn't one of those people who handed in petitions against his appointment though. Anyone want to admit signing it then suddenly lauding him despite the fact he never changed his management style at all? There wasn't one thing Allardyce did while he was here that I didn't consider him capable of doing. The notion that Rovers were somehow "lucky" to be graced by his managerial presence was an insult. He was the one lucky to get another Premier League job after he failed miserably at Newcastle.

Lets say there hadn't been a takeover. He probably would have left (as he attempted just a few months prior to being sacked) and what then? The trustees would have continued starving the club and Saint John might have made another error like Ince. Without relegation teflon man what might have happened then even if Ince mk2 had been sacked? Well the debt wouldn't have been as large and the future wouldn't be as uncertain. Though chances are the club could still have been relegated, stuck in the Championship with the chances of a takeover remote. Exactly why I was so pro takeover in the first place and its odd people seem to enjoy saying I was "wrong" when in reality I admitted that not all takeovers are a success.

There's always a chance the club could have stayed in the EPL but the other fears were legitimate. They were certainly based on a hell of a lot more than "oh we have some teflon man who can't be relegated". Or "we have Saint John the greatest chairman who's ever walked the Earth" and single handedly kept the club in the League. Never mind that Hughes was the result of a fan vote and you think Williams wasn't influenced by that? He wanted Shearer after all before Ince. Then laud him as a genius for a reasonably logical, fairly safe appointment in Allardyce. I guess it was Williams who chose which players to sign as well? Oh dear am I objecting to another myth that was shoved down people's throats?

Players came out (such as Nelsen) and admitted the club needed a takeover now why was that? People on here gradually became more and more outspoken against the trustees after I set the trend.

Never mind Sunderland at least if you go down you're guaranteed...and I mean GUARANTEED to be promoted under Allardyce! Of course if you aren't then...erm...well that will just be the "exception" won't it?

[Neil Weaver]

Stick to your horse racing tips Vinjay.

[K-Hod]

Vinjay what are you prattling on about now? Nobody said he was untouchable, people just said that you had a better chance of survival/promotion with Allardyce as he's been there, done that several times. Like Mick McCarthy, Steve Bruce etc. Stop obsessing over every single detail and just take things for what they are for once.

[ABBEY]

They didn't say that k .. Don't move the goalposts ..the brfcs consensus was Sam will NOT get you relegated and You WILL be worse without him .

Now it appears West Ham are a damn site better off with without him and s good chance mackems are relegated

... However this board now says it's a good chance .

[K-Hod]

They didn't say that k .. Don't move the goalposts ..the brfcs consensus was Sam will NOT get you relegated and You WILL be worse without him .

Now it appears West Ham are a damn site better off with without him and s good chance mackems are relegated

... However this board now says it's a good chance .

Yes, because this is the first time that hasn't been the case!! Nothing is guaranteed in football as I said.

[donnermeat]

Since when was Mancini rejected by our board? Forgive my ignorance if I've missed something here.

[Hasta]

Some sour grapes spouted on here since last time I looked..

Allardyce took over a team that had just 3 points, and no wins, after 8 games. They were 5 points from safety when he took over.

Had he been in charge from the start of the season they would have been outside the relegation zone now.

You can hardly start crowing that he's got relegated when it's not his team and they were marooned when he took over.

The fact remains that he hasn't got a team relegated with a full season, he may well still save Sunderland and apart from West Ham every other team HAS regressed.

[davulsukur]

Well in my case its because I dared to object when people treated him as the "relegation teflon man". Because I dared to suggest that Rovers could have ambitions better than Allardyce as West Ham have proven. None of those people with similar views said hey you know what...how about that coach Steve Kean? How about fire Allardyce and make Kean manager?

Personally I think he's a good, competent manager just not half as good as he thinks he is. He just wasn't the long term image I wanted for Blackburn Rovers and to reject Mancini in favor of him was an absolute joke. I wasn't one of those people who handed in petitions against his appointment though. Anyone want to admit signing it then suddenly lauding him despite the fact he never changed his management style at all? There wasn't one thing Allardyce did while he was here that I didn't consider him capable of doing. The notion that Rovers were somehow "lucky" to be graced by his managerial presence was an insult. He was the one lucky to get another Premier League job after he failed miserably at Newcastle.

Lets say there hadn't been a takeover. He probably would have left (as he attempted just a few months prior to being sacked) and what then? The trustees would have continued starving the club and Saint John might have made another error like Ince. Without relegation teflon man what might have happened then even if Ince mk2 had been sacked? Well the debt wouldn't have been as large and the future wouldn't be as uncertain. Though chances are the club could still have been relegated, stuck in the Championship with the chances of a takeover remote. Exactly why I was so pro takeover in the first place and its odd people seem to enjoy saying I was "wrong" when in reality I admitted that not all takeovers are a success.

There's always a chance the club could have stayed in the EPL but the other fears were legitimate. They were certainly based on a hell of a lot more than "oh we have some teflon man who can't be relegated". Or "we have Saint John the greatest chairman who's ever walked the Earth" and single handedly kept the club in the League. Never mind that Hughes was the result of a fan vote and you think Williams wasn't influenced by that? He wanted Shearer after all before Ince. Then laud him as a genius for a reasonably logical, fairly safe appointment in Allardyce. I guess it was Williams who chose which players to sign as well? Oh dear am I objecting to another myth that was shoved down people's throats?

Players came out (such as Nelsen) and admitted the club needed a takeover now why was that? People on here gradually became more and more outspoken against the trustees after I set the trend.

Never mind Sunderland at least if you go down you're guaranteed...and I mean GUARANTEED to be promoted under Allardyce! Of course if you aren't then...erm...well that will just be the "exception" won't it?

Please stop referring John Williams as "Saint John" in some sarcastic manner. Even if you don't think so, he did some good work here and he deserves better than your childish remarks.

Same goes for Allardyce while we are at it.

[Husky]

Re WHum: It's also worth mentioning that Chelsea have also been much better since Mourinho left.

[RevidgeBlue]

The Sunderland job appears to have been a bridge too far for Big Sam but he along with Pullis are undoubtedly your default go to men if you want to try and survive a relegation battle or establish yourself in the Premiership for a couple of years. Thereafter if you want to try and kick on to the next level .or watch a palatable brand of football long term they're not imo and West Ham and Stoke fans seem infinitely happier with Bilic and Hughes in charge respectively.

I also suspect Pullis will run his course at West Brom sooner rather than later. The fans were wanting him out a few weeks ago before they unexpectedly hit a patch of form.

If Sunderland go down it'll be interesting to see whether Sam has the stomach and appetite for a promotion campaign at this stage of his career. I'd wager not, but as always money talks.