[Archived] Cardiff At Home 18Th August

[rovers11]

Absolutely spot on. Go through last nights team:-

Raya - Youth product

Henley - Youth product

Hanley - Youth product

Duffy - Bought from team relegated to league 1

Spurr - Bought from team relegated to league 1

Conway - Championship player

Lowe - Youth Product

Akpom - Played in league 2 just 2 years ago

Marshall - Bought from Premier League

Koita - Bought from French league 1

Delfeuseno - Bought from team relegated to league 1

That team has a high chance of going down with anyone in charge. A combination of an embargo and owners/board over the years has led us to this point and everyone thinks it's the manager.

I don't think the quality of player can be used as an excuse. OK, we've lost a couple of key players but we still have a more than competitive squad for this league.

Raya - highly rated GK.

Henley - jury still out on him

Hanley - Full international, significant prem lge experience

Duffy - In the Championship team of the year 2 years ago

Spurr - bought from a side promoted from lge 1, one of our top performers the season before last

Conway - top championship performer

Lowe - rubbish

Akpan - prem lge and championship experience, looks strong

Marshall - top championship performer

Delf - championship experience, very highly rated academy player at Villa

Koita - played in the top lge of france most of his career

Others who didn't start last night:

Barrow - top prem prospect

Guthrie - significant prem and champ experience, top performer when fit

Rhodes - best goalscorer in the league

Killa/Steele/Olsson - good performers at this level

It's not a promotion winning squad but any less than midtable is a failure.

[Speedie Dived]

And isn't that the crux of the matter?

When does Bowyer carry the can? We fall into League 1, 'well we had the embargo', 'he's learning his trade'. 'who else is going to work for these clowns?'

Do we then become happy mid table in League 1? 'well what else can we expect?'

A lot of support for Bowyer revolves around 'stability', 'didn't he do well two years ago' etc. But nobody can answer in what way we are 'stable' on the pitch. It is poor quality, ineffective football, players like Marshall, Cairney have declined on his watch, the defence is still a shambles, we have no cohesive system that I can tell, unfit, not particulary motivated players.

It has been consistently poor in 2015, yet stating that the manager is not up to it is demed beyond the pale?

If we dropped into league one with him undoubtedly he would have to go. I wouldn't say i am offering support, just that he is not the major concern at the football club. If we were well run and blown £15 million in the summer and we were playing like we did last night i would be the first to say he has to go.

[A cup of beans]

Thing is, Speedie...

For the previous 2 seasons, Bowyer himself has banged the promotion and play off drum, on a weekly basis.

Surely this means he was happy with everything at his disposal and thought

We should be competitive and achieve something ????

Surely, had he not been happy with things, he wouldn't have been so explicit in the press ????

[Speedie Dived]

I don't think the quality of player can be used as an excuse. OK, we've lost a couple of key players but we still have a more than competitive squad for this league.

Raya - highly rated GK.

Henley - jury still out on him

Hanley - Full international, significant prem lge experience

Duffy - In the Championship team of the year 2 years ago

Spurr - bought from a side promoted from lge 1, one of our top performers the season before last

Conway - top championship performer

Lowe - rubbish

Akpan - prem lge and championship experience, looks strong

Marshall - top championship performer

Delf - championship experience, very highly rated academy player at Villa

Koita - played in the top lge of france most of his career

Others who didn't start last night:

Barrow - top prem prospect

Guthrie - significant prem and champ experience, top performer when fit

Rhodes - best goalscorer in the league

Killa/Steele/Olsson - good performers at this level

It's not a promotion winning squad but any less than midtable is a failure.

A lot of that is your opinion. The quality of player is everything to do with a team. If you keep buying players from a certain division, you will end up in that division.

Thing is, Speedie...

For the previous 2 seasons, Bowyer himself has banged the promotion and play off drum, on a weekly basis.

Surely this means he was happy with everything at his disposal and thought

We should be competitive and achieve something ????

Surely, had he not been happy with things, he wouldn't have been so explicit in the press ????

Yeah he has made a rod for his own back there, i don't know anyone who thought we would go up though.

But yeah it's a fair point, he could have been less enthusiastic in that department if he didn't think we were good enough.

[BlooBoy]

Gary Bowyer carries the can at 3pm/7.45pm on a a match day.

For that 90 minutes HE is in charge of a a team HE has picked ..a team HE has worked all week with ..outlining how HE wants them to play ..HIS formation..HIS style.

Forget the Venkys when the game kicks off its all down to the manager and his players to put in a performance.

And unfortunately nearly every matchday this isnt happening..and the blame comes back squarely on the shoulders of the manager.

[chris_h]

A lot of that is your opinion. The quality of player is everything to do with a team. If you keep buying players from a certain division, you will end up in that division.

Yeah he has made a rod for his own back there, i don't know anyone who thought we would go up though.

But yeah it's a fair point, he could have been less enthusiastic in that department if he didn't think we were good enough.

If he had downplayed expectation he would have been slaughtered for that as well.

[A cup of beans]

Now GB is talking down expectations.

He's certainty being honest and truthful about the affects of the embargo, young squad, great spirit.. etc..

But it comes across as deflection and arse covering.

Like I've said before ;

Nice bloke, a gift for spotting talented underated players, loyal and wants to do well.

The problem is..

where it counts, he's an incompetent,poor pitchside manager.

[tomphil]

Gary Bowyer carries the can at 3pm/7.45pm on a a match day.

For that 90 minutes HE is in charge of a a team HE has picked ..a team HE has worked all week with ..outlining how HE wants them to play ..HIS formation..HIS style.

Forget the Venkys when the game kicks off its all down to the manager and his players to put in a performance.

And unfortunately nearly every matchday this isnt happening..and the blame comes back squarely on the shoulders of the manager.

+1000

Never excusing the lunes but on matchday it's down to the manager whoever he is. If they cut and run tomorrow or put the club up for sale Bowyer is still in charge and we are still at his mercy to get results until something changes.

The bits of booing and anger last night are now the result of seeing the same old thing over and over again for the past two seasons. Tipping point is being reached and no amount of excuses from him is going to wash this season as there is STILL a side capable of better than that available to him.

[K-Hod]

The team has no style/identity/pattern of play/tactics.

We pass it about as the back in short 5 yard bursts, before the inevitable hoof to nobody, then we gift the opposition possession, rinse and repeat.

Lowe looks afraid of the ball! Thank God for Danny Guthrie!!

+1000

Never excusing the lunes but on matchday it's down to the manager whoever he is. If they cut and run tomorrow or put the club up for sale Bowyer is still in charge and we are still at his mercy to get results until something changes.

The bits of booing and anger last night are now the result of seeing the same old thing over and over again for the past two seasons. five seasons. Tipping point is being reached and no amount of excuses from him is going to wash this season as there is STILL a side capable of better than that available to him.

Amended!

[broadsword]

Poor old Gary Bowyer, he's only been able to sign 35 players in 2 and a half years, and some of them have been loans/freebies. He's not been able to sign many players for 6 or 7 figures.

Unlike that Mick McCarthy at Ipswich, bloody chequebook manager!

[chris_h]

Now GB is talking down expectations.

He's certainty being honest and truthful about the affects of the embargo, young squad, great spirit.. etc..

But it comes across as deflection and arse covering.

Like I've said before ;

Nice bloke, a gift for spotting talented underated players, loyal and wants to do well.

The problem is..

where it counts, he's an incompetent,poor pitchside manager.

That post won't get an argument from me.

What do you think of the Kean comparisons, the 'nudge, nudge' suggestions of impropriety, the 'brown nosing' to the Roas rubbish, the nickname nonsense (which every sports personality seems to do) and the relentlessness of sniping at a guy who has been over promoted, struggling in job that is probably too big for him and could do with all the help he can get?

[Speedie Dived]

Gary Bowyer carries the can at 3pm/7.45pm on a a match day.

For that 90 minutes HE is in charge of a a team HE has picked ..a team HE has worked all week with ..outlining how HE wants them to play ..HIS formation..HIS style.

Forget the Venkys when the game kicks off its all down to the manager and his players to put in a performance.

And unfortunately nearly every matchday this isnt happening..and the blame comes back squarely on the shoulders of the manager.

How can you forget the owners? They have as much as an influence on sat 3pm as anyone.

[EgyptianPete]

Gary Bowyer carries the can at 3pm/7.45pm on a a match day.

For that 90 minutes HE is in charge of a a team HE has picked ..a team HE has worked all week with ..outlining how HE wants them to play ..HIS formation..HIS style.

Forget the Venkys when the game kicks off its all down to the manager and his players to put in a performance.

And unfortunately nearly every matchday this isnt happening..and the blame comes back squarely on the shoulders of the manager.

For once a post that hits the nail on the head, too much of the it's not Bowyers fault embargo rubbish, did he even try to stop cairney being sold - no not at all, why only accept 6m for Gestede did he make waves - no, he's there now for himself, stands on the touchline hands in pockets like he cares, not one bit, so its no wonder the crowd get @#/?, and enough said about Lowe woeful is an understatement, now bowyer comes out with well only two players were over 24 last night and Cardiff will be in the top six- rubbish Cardiff were as bad as us. oh and yes we got the we give it a right good go - yes five minutes before half time and fifteen before the end. Fans are not stupid Mr Bowyer remember that.

[JBiz]

Anyone else think its great to see Duffy and Hanley celebrating on the telegraph?

I know they havent played to their abilities together yet, but I find it hard to argue against these two lads have the raw materials to be one of the best defensive partnerships we've seen at Ewood.

Obviously there is a way to go, but I think their game suits each other and the LET picture shows at least that this Irish/Scottish hate thing is just another BRFCC rumour!

I'm also Glad Hanley seems to be coming round from a bad season last year, as we need him at his best if we are going to improve. Thank god we didn't sell him to Burnley!

[chris_h]

Poor old Gary Bowyer, he's only been able to sign 35 players in 2 and a half years, and some of them have been loans/freebies. He's not been able to sign many players for 6 or 7 figures.

Unlike that Mick McCarthy at Ipswich, bloody chequebook manager!

Wouldn't you expect a bloke with about 20 years more experience to have more nous and be generally better at his job than someone whose been at it for 3 years?

[Speedie Dived]

Poor old Gary Bowyer, he's only been able to sign 35 players in 2 and a half years, and some of them have been loans/freebies. He's not been able to sign many players for 6 or 7 figures.

Unlike that Mick McCarthy at Ipswich, bloody chequebook manager!

Did McCarthy have to slash costs as well? Under an embargo? Not a McCarthy fan to be honest, never enjoyed watching one of his teams.

[Mattyblue]

That post won't get an argument from me.

What do you think of the Kean comparisons, the 'nudge, nudge' suggestions of impropriety, the 'brown nosing' to the Roas rubbish, the nickname nonsense (which every sports personality seems to do) and the relentlessness of sniping at a guy who has been over promoted, struggling in job that is probably too big for him and could do with all the help he can get?

He's had a lot of help from the fans. Ewood Park has been an excellent place for Bowyer to have his first job, fans reaction wise.

Even last night there were only mummurings. We have witnessed months of dreadful performances. There hasn't ever been any 'you don't know what you doing' style chants, boos in his direction etc.

[tomphil]

The team has no style/identity/pattern of play/tactics.

We pass it about as the back in short 5 yard bursts, before the inevitable hoof to nobody, then we gift the opposition possession, rinse and repeat.

Lowe looks afraid of the ball! Thank God for Danny Guthrie!!

Amended!

Fair point although under Gary stability was thankfully restored a while ago on the pitch and the time to kick on was last season. If we signed Lionel Messi right now then by Christmas he'd have new strings to his bow..the art of the back pass and the skill of sitting deep !

[broadsword]

Wouldn't you expect a bloke with about 20 years more experience to have more nous and be generally better at his job than someone whose been at it for 3 years?

Abso-bloody-lutely Chris!

That's why the more difficult the job, the more vital it is to have experience.

It's not Bowyer's fault that he doesn't have experience. But still, it shows, doesn't it?

[EgyptianPete]

How can you forget the owners? They have as much as an influence on sat 3pm as anyone.

Have they hell as like, hes brought in 35 odd players over two and a half seasons and before embargo, he has no foresight at all, have they stopped him getting these 35 players, NO, your defence of Bowyer is admirable, but come on smell the coffee, he is simply not up to the job.

[tomphil]

He's had a lot of help from the fans. Ewood Park has been an excellent place for Bowyer to have his first job, fans reaction wise.

Even last night there were only mummurings. We have witnenessed months of dreadful performances. There hasn't ever been a 'you don't know what you doing' boos in his direction etc.

Agreed. Plenty of applause last night around the ground for the players when they strung a few passes together or put in a tackle despite the frustration building at times. Roared on at the end yet again when they actually started having a go out of desperation, a very familiar pattern at Ewood these days.

[broadsword]

Did McCarthy have to slash costs as well? Under an embargo? Not a McCarthy fan to be honest, never enjoyed watching one of his teams.

As far as I'm aware, he's been working under a heavily-restricted budget. No, the club haven't been under an embargo, but they've not had much to spend at all.

[chris_h]

He's had a lot of help from the fans. Ewood Park has been an excellent place for Bowyer to have his first job, fans reaction wise.

Even last night there were only mummurings. We have witnessed months of dreadful performances. There hasn't ever been any 'you don't know what you doing' style chants, boos in his direction etc.

That was my experience back in January. My mates are largely of the opinion that he's been over promoted, that isn't his fault, he did a good job as caretaker and there is no point in getting on his back as it is counter productive and futile.

[Speedie Dived]

Have they hell as like, hes brought in 35 odd players over two and a half seasons and before embargo, he has no foresight at all, have they stopped him getting these 35 players, NO, your defence of Bowyer is admirable, but come on smell the coffee, he is simply not up to the job.

I am not defending Bowyer, i am saying he is not the real problem. Change the manager all the problems we have still exist.

But a large proportion of people have forgotten this and seem to think all will be rosy in the garden if Bowyer is sacked.

[EgyptianPete]

Abso-bloody-lutely Chris!

That's why the more difficult the job, the more vital it is to have experience.

It's not Bowyer's fault that he doesn't have experience. But still, it shows, doesn't it?

Well if I had not improved significantly in my job over three years I would be out on my arse, what the hell does he do all week, have you seen any improvement, I have seen stubbornness from him and that is not beneficial at all.