[Archived] Cardiff At Home 18Th August

[Glosrover]

Gary Bowyer carries the can at 3pm/7.45pm on a a match day.

For that 90 minutes HE is in charge of a a team HE has picked ..a team HE has worked all week with ..

outlining how HE wants them to play ..I genuinely beleive he hasnt got a clue, so its far easier for him to just react to the opposition....................

HIS formation............................................there isnt any real evidence of a set pattern of play despite the regular tinkering with various formations and the personnel within them, its like setting out a subbuteo team, they start off organised, then they kick off and they end up all over the place.

HIS style......................................................(or lack of), the team reflects the person I think, timid, reactive, lacking leadership and any sense of personal responsibility to change things -

Forget the Venkys when the game kicks off its all down to the manager and his players to put in a performance.

And unfortunately nearly every matchday this isnt happening..and the blame comes back squarely on the shoulders of the manager. agree 100%, but there's no-one in authority at the club who can see it or is prepared to step in change it. The local management are spineless puppets, the owners dont really care, they're just as likely to appoint the next manager from the pool of 'employee of the week' at the Mumbai fried chicken outlet

[EgyptianPete]

I am not defending Bowyer, i am saying he is not the real problem. Change the manager all the problems we have still exist.

But a large proportion of people have forgotten this and seem to think all will be rosy in the garden if Bowyer is sacked.

Okay fair enough, but change the manager you change attitudes, fitness, desire, tactics etc. if we even see a bit of that it's an improvement, the last ten minutes last night were the players and the BBE not GB.

[JBiz]

impossible to get any discussion about the game.

I'll just let you guys carry on with this obsession with the manager.

[Speedie Dived]

Okay fair enough, but change the manager you change attitudes, fitness, desire, tactics etc. if we even see a bit of that it's an improvement, the last ten minutes last night were the players and the BBE not GB.

Ha ha, so why did the players and the Blackburn end not get us playing for the full 90?

impossible to get any discussion about the game.

I'll just let you guys carry on with this obsession with the manager.

You can have this one. I think Whittingham has been one of the best players in the Championship for a few years, last night i barely saw him. One thing we managed to stop him last night, that was a positive.

[donnermeat]

One thing that annoyed me last night about Bowyer, during the water breaks he wasn't saying a word. Slade and his staff were giving instructions while we did nothing. I wouldn't expect some sort of divine tactical instruction from him, but at least have a shout or try and gee them up! If it was me I would have told them I'm making two subs at half time, now buck your ideas up and don't let it be you!

In response to Jbizzle, yes Hanley had a good game last night, but I still didn't see a strong partnership forming. Now I'm not saying it won't ever happen, but it's still way off. Killa needs to come in for Duffy. I see why Martinez let him go for such a low fee now, he gets dragged out of position a lot to come for balls that he has no chance of getting. He does this often. He has performed nowhere near the standard required in his time here, especially from a PL club,though he talks at least, which is more than can be said for our captain. I do think that one day his game will just click and he could be really effective, so it's pretty frustrating.

Marshall didn't look bothered to me last night either, looked like his mind was elsewhere.

[BlooBoy]

I am not defending Bowyer, i am saying he is not the real problem. Change the manager all the problems we have still exist.

But a large proportion of people have forgotten this and seem to think all will be rosy in the garden if Bowyer is sacked.

The problems around the club will still exist correct ,but a change of manager who has an idea what hes doing may just string a few results together and a bring a little belief to the fans that at the very least we may have something ..even for only 90mins to actually smile about.

When a manager brings a player into a club he has faith in that player will make his team better.

Does Bowyer ? or is he simply plucking players out of the air in the hope they may improve the team?

35 players in and Bowyer still hasnt got the faith in his picks to put out the same eleven week in week out..

Is that really a good sign of a manager ?? ..and thats before people question tactics and formations ..

[tomphil]

Cardiff were solid and well organised. Obviously played a part in stopping us but it was all too easy and predictable. Difference is when they did mount an attack they had two or three players who played quick passes and moved forwards then quickly dropped back once possession was lost.

Take the option of the long ball away from us and it's just sideways and backwards, everything in straight lines. Nice to see Akpan when he lost the ball on a rare attack and he raced back and took one for the team. Some may say it was clumsy and could have proved costly but at least he didn't give up.

[broadsword]

Well if I had not improved significantly in my job over three years I would be out on my arse, what the hell does he do all week, have you seen any improvement, I have seen stubbornness from him and that is not beneficial at all.

Well, it is a results business ...

[K-Hod]

impossible to get any discussion about the game.

I'll just let you guys carry on with this obsession with the manager.

Stop fishing lad!

When it was on the whole a poor performance, the two are intrinsically linked. The manager carries the can, you know this!

[Rover_Shaun]

This arguement has no solution as those willing to give Bowyer the rope to continue being fairly crap also say we cannot survive without the owners. One has got to give unless Bowyer has a job for life by default because there is no alternative ownership solution? At the end of the day both parties are going to bite this clubs carcass in the ass.

Crrrrazy biscuits!

[Speedie Dived]

The problems around the club will still exist correct ,but a change of manager who has an idea what hes doing may just string a few results together and a bring a little belief to the fans that at the very least we may have something ..even for only 90mins to actually smile about.

When a manager brings a player into a club he has faith in that player will make his team better.

Does Bowyer ? or is he simply plucking players out of the air in the hope they may improve the team?

35 players in and Bowyer still hasnt got the faith in his picks to put out the same eleven week in week out..

Is that really a good sign of a manager ?? ..and thats before people question tactics and formations ..

I think the one thing he has done quite well is buy and a lot of people have similar feelings.

All teams rotate now, Fergie didn't pick the same Man United team for 100 games.

His problems are playing with the hand brake on, that's his real issue.

[Rover_Shaun]

Fergie could afford to rotate. Teams at our level should get the best XI they can and play the tired likkle darlings every week until injury or form dictates otherwise.

[Speedie Dived]

Cardiff were solid and well organised. Obviously played a part in stopping us but it was all too easy and predictable. Difference is when they did mount an attack they had two or three players who played quick passes and moved forwards then quickly dropped back once possession was lost.

Take the option of the long ball away from us and it's just sideways and backwards, everything in straight lines. Nice to see Akpan when he lost the ball on a rare attack and he raced back and took one for the team. Some may say it was clumsy and could have proved costly but at least he didn't give up.

Akpan did play well, but he committed the cardinal sin of pulling out of a tackle with 5 minutes to go which nearly cost us the game. He might have been worried about being sent off, but we love a player sent off on debut.

[Mercer]

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[Speedie Dived]

Fergie could afford to rotate. Teams at our level should get the best XI they can and play the tired likkle darlings every week until injury or form dictates otherwise.

That's a recipe for disaster. Don't like it, but everyone rotates and it's a part of the game. Not a stick to beat Bowyer with.

[tomphil]

I think the one thing he has done quite well is buy and a lot of people have similar feelings.

All teams rotate now, Fergie didn't pick the same Man United team for 100 games.

His problems are playing with the hand brake on, that's his real issue.

You can get away with rotating quality players a bit better. In the top league a lot of games are really really tactical betwwen the good sides. Often like a game of chess between the managers.

Not as much the case in this league, hard work, organisation and desire are the main ingredients. Get the best most effective team out there and stick to it. Neither these players nor the manager are clever enough for the rotating or tactical stuff unfortunately. The team will never gel messing it about we've seen enough evidence over the past two seasons.

Rotation policy my arse.

[EgyptianPete]

You can get away with rotating quality players a bit better. In the top league a lot of games are really really tactical betwwen the good sides. Often like a game of chess between the managers.

Not as much the case in this league, hard work, organisation and desire are the main ingredients. Get the best most effective team out there and stick to it. Neither these players nor the manager are clever enough for the rotating or tactical stuff unfortunately. The team will never gel messing it about we've seen enough evidence over the past two seasons.

Rotation policy my arse.

You can almost guarantee the starting 11 will be different on Saturday - but end up the same.

[JBiz]

In response to Jbizzle, yes Hanley had a good game last night, but I still didn't see a strong partnership forming. Now I'm not saying it won't ever happen, but it's still way off. Killa needs to come in for Duffy. I see why Martinez let him go for such a low fee now, he gets dragged out of position a lot to come for balls that he has no chance of getting. He does this often. He has performed nowhere near the standard required in his time here, especially from a PL club,though he talks at least, which is more than can be said for our captain. I do think that one day his game will just click and he could be really effective, so it's pretty frustrating.

Marshall didn't look bothered to me last night either, looked like his mind was elsewhere.

Its a bit early to write him off DM, how many starts has Duffy had? 20+? - I agree with what you are saying in some ways but that is likely down to experience more than ability. I think they suit each other in ways, and whilst Martinez may have been correct on Duffy for top prem level, I think we should persevere with him at this level to give him a chance to develop.

Just concentrating on their perceived strengths; (as opposed to weaknesses) I think one is big, good in the air, perfect for the target man defending, decent with feet and always looks up and I think the other is good in the air, an absolute blunderbluss, and good reader of the game and packed with aggression and intensity.

If you cut out the mistakes, get them all on the same page and let them develop playing first team games - I think they could be really good.

It's not going to happen by putting Kilgallon in for me! Killa is the perfect backup for when/if one gets injured/suspended or has a real bad run but at this moment in time (still not seen cardiff game) I'd be perfectly happy for them to keep in the team.

As for Marshall - from what i've seen this season he's been underwhelming! He had an excuse beginning of last season coming back from a long injury (similar to Duffy) but im not sure what the problem is this season. Maybe he hates being a "No 10"

Stop fishing lad!

When it was on the whole a poor performance, the two are intrinsically linked. The manager carries the can, you know this!

Obsession; an idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind.

Anything that happens at Ewood these days is commented on with the same preoccupation. Why on earth do we do it when we all know the cyclical argument about structure and ownership causing much bigger problems?

I asked a question about the match. All I got (other than from donnermeat) was more talk about how GB carries the can, some saying not his fault, others with cheap pops or obvious comparisons to those doing better. Furthered by examples of how the draw was "because of the players and BBend and not the manager or staff" etc.

How is that not an obsession? I would love to know how we managed to squander as many chances, how did Spurr do on return, why did Henley go off, how was Barrow, what was the offside goal like, was koitas knock bad etc etc etc etc but instead Its all about how BRFC2015 are completely screwed because of one mans tactics. If thats not obsession, then the word needs redefining. Fishing, my ginger arse.

Whilst I agree performance is intrinsically linked - why on earth is it acceptable for people to post that we do certain things "despite" the coaching staffs influence yet every single individual error and mistake is directly their fault?

[EgyptianPete]

Ha ha, so why did the players and the Blackburn end not get us playing for the full 90?

You answer that yourself, was nothing to do with GB only self preservation i reckon

You can have this one. I think Whittingham has been one of the best players in the Championship for a few years, last night i barely saw him. One thing we managed to stop him last night, that was a positive.

Its a bit early to write him off DM, how many starts has Duffy had? 20+? - I agree with what you are saying in some ways but that is likely down to experience more than ability. I think they suit each other in ways, and whilst Martinez may have been correct on Duffy for top prem level, I think we should persevere with him at this level to give him a chance to develop.

Just concentrating on their perceived strengths; (as opposed to weaknesses) I think one is big, good in the air, perfect for the target man defending, decent with feet and always looks up and I think the other is good in the air, an absolute blunderbluss, and good reader of the game and packed with aggression and intensity.

If you cut out the mistakes, get them all on the same page and let them develop playing first team games - I think they could be really good.

It's not going to happen by putting Kilgallon in for me! Killa is the perfect backup for when/if one gets injured/suspended or has a real bad run but at this moment in time (still not seen cardiff game) I'd be perfectly happy for them to keep in the team.

As for Marshall - from what i've seen this season he's been underwhelming! He had an excuse beginning of last season coming back from a long injury (similar to Duffy) but im not sure what the problem is this season. Maybe he hates being a "No 10"

Obsession; an idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind.

Anything that happens at Ewood these days is commented on with the same preoccupation. Why on earth do we do it when we all know the cyclical argument about structure and ownership causing much bigger problems?

I asked a question about the match. All I got (other than from donnermeat) was more talk about how GB carries the can, some saying not his fault, others with cheap pops or obvious comparisons to those doing better. Furthered by examples of how the draw was "because of the players and BBend and not the manager or staff" etc.

How is that not an obsession? I would love to know how we managed to squander as many chances, how did Spurr do on return, why did Henley go off, how was Barrow, what was the offside goal like, was koitas knock bad etc etc etc etc but instead Its all about how BRFC2015 are completely screwed because of one mans tactics. If thats not obsession, then the word needs redefining. Fishing, my ginger arse.

Whilst I agree performance is intrinsically linked - why on earth is it acceptable for people to post that we do certain things "despite" the coaching staffs influence yet every single individual error and mistake is directly their fault?

I am not obsessed with hunting down GB although some seem obsessed with covering GB'S inadequacies, I am only obsessed with Blackburn Rovers, is that my bad.

[Al]

What a silly person - so-called supporter stays away because of one player.

It's called a protest Jim but Lowe will be in the team as long as Numbnuts is magager. Shaw and Bowyer have to go before anything changes.

[DE.]

It's called a protest Jim but Lowe will be in the team as long as Numbnuts is magager. Shaw and Bowyer have to go before anything changes.

I found it incredible that rather than sub off Lowe last night - who had by all accounts been awful for the majority of the game - Bowyer took off Henley and put Lowe at RB so that he could bring on another midfielder.

Unless Henley was injured, I see absolutely no justification for this. It's a shame no journalist will question him on his blind devotion to Lowe. At least Hanley brings something to the team every so often.

[ABBEY]

What is it with the majority of our fans who boo and moan when we pass backwards? Football is about outscoring your opponents. If there is nothing on in front of you then you change the angle of attack which most times means passing backwards. The amount of times our fans booed at this was unbelievable. I was cringing in my seat. If we have the ball then they cannot score, simple. I remember when we would have the ball for a good few mins before the oppositon got the ball back. Its called patient build up play. If you go gung ho and lose the ball then we are succeptable to a counter, so the patient passing, in any direction must be applied. The people moaning are the ones who are lacking in football intelligence and just want to see attack after attack. Id be happy to keep the ball for most of the game then score near the end and win 1-0. Our fans mentality has drastically changed since Venkys took over. Before them there was no booing and moaning on backwards passing RETAINING POSSESION. And I bet if you sat at the Camp Nou or Bayerns ground, their fans wouldnt be pi$$ing and moaning when a backwards pass was made. Anyway, rant over. The booing and moaning WILL NOT HAVE A GOOD EFFECT ON THE PLAYER. So encourage them rather than slating them.

The aim you say is to out score opponents ?

Remind me how many times we've done that so far ?

Does bowyer know this ? He always wants a draw

[Speedie Dived]

I found it incredible that rather than sub off Lowe last night - who had by all accounts been awful for the majority of the game - Bowyer took off Henley and put Lowe at RB so that he could bring on another midfielder.

Unless Henley was injured, I see absolutely no justification for this. It's a shame no journalist will question him on his blind devotion to Lowe. At least Hanley brings something to the team every so often.

Henley was poor last night, more so than Lowe. As poor as he is on the ball, Lowe is better than Henley. It's a sub that has been made numerous times before, nothing really to see here.

[tomphil]

I found it incredible that rather than sub off Lowe last night - who had by all accounts been awful for the majority of the game - Bowyer took off Henley and put Lowe at RB so that he could bring on another midfielder.

Unless Henley was injured, I see absolutely no justification for this. It's a shame no journalist will question him on his blind devotion to Lowe. At least Hanley brings something to the team every so often.

The absolute only ounce of sense I can give him for this would be that leaving Lowe on offers some form of cover. If another defender had to go off, get sent off Lowe can move across and someone else drop to RB. That's giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[DE.]

Henley was poor last night, more so than Lowe. As poor as he is on the ball, Lowe is better than Henley. It's a sub that has been made numerous times before, nothing really to see here.

Henley does seem to be fairly poor, but if Lowe is better why not start him at RB and have Guthrie in midfield alongside Akpan? Or one of the other dozen centre midfielders we have?

The absolute only ounce of sense I can give him for this would be that leaving Lowe on offers some form of cover. If another defender had to go off, get sent off Lowe can move across and someone else drop to RB. That's giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Do you mean Lowe moving across to somewhere else in defence? Would we still not end up with a player playing out of position regardless?