[Archived] Get Venky's To The Table

[ABBEY]

Reads that way for sure

[tomphil]

I have no idea before anyone twists my words .

How many games does this mayor go to ? How many years has he had a season ticket ? Does he really know what our team mean s to us ?

I bet he turned up for the Liverpool match with the rest of the towns council etc.

[yoda]

ReallY? I thought they had advisors coming out of their gazoo.

For sure they don't listen to people telling them what to do, demanding apologies, telling them to clear off etc., and not many on here would either.

That's not quite true though. A few months ago it was reported in the Telegraph the asian ex-Mayor had been invited to their birthday bash - they invited him!!! - and he had taken the opportunity to tell them directly how much the club meant to the people of the town. I thought at the time it was the biggest breakthrough in four years and something that should be built on. He has their trust, whereas none of the other parties you mention do.

He probably gave them plans to enhance the value of Ewood Park,

Corners filled in,

Roof covering the pitch,

big onion on the roof over the centre circle.

[AllRoverAsia]

Having just read the article you are referring to - http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11761151.Former_Blackburn_mayor_enjoys__half_a_million_pound__party_hosted_by_Venky___s/- I don't think I need to alter anything in my previous post.

Grilled lobster and unlimited booze at a £500k birthday party. Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

LT: ''He said when he met the football club owners he expressed a wish to visit them in India, and they honoured his request by inviting him to the New Year bash – even offering to book him a nearby hotel room.''

I wonder if they did - I wonder even more who paid for the flights.

ReallY? I thought they had advisors coming out of their gazoo.

For sure they don't listen to people telling them what to do, demanding apologies, telling them to clear off etc., and not many on here would either.

That's not quite true though. A few months ago it was reported in the Telegraph the asian ex-Mayor had been invited to their birthday bash - they invited him!!! - and he had taken the opportunity to tell them directly how much the club meant to the people of the town. I thought at the time it was the biggest breakthrough in four years and something that should be built on. He has their trust, whereas none of the other parties you mention do.

Hopefully he curried some favour with the Rao's

[Gav]

LT: ''He said when he met the football club owners he expressed a wish to visit them in India, and they honoured his request by inviting him to the New Year bash – even offering to book him a nearby hotel room.''

I wonder if they did - I wonder even more who paid for the flights.

Hopefully he curried some favour with the Rao's

Well some of the fans that traveled on their own steam to Pune are still waiting for their flights to be paid for. They never asked for the flights to be paid for, Venkys offered, nice gesture, empty promise, sound familiar?

I know Venkys are naive and have been taken advantage of though

[OscarRaven]

Starting talking is the best way to find out.

All these demands to bring back Williams and Finn or give the club away to a bunch of financiers are fantasy. The only even slightly realistic objective is to get them talking with someone they feel doesn't want to make them grovel or give away the club.

Bringing Williams and Finn back would get consensus from the fans, 1st point of consensus of many hopefully, but as you rightly point out if the gentlemen in question are not interested in coming back ... next topic please.

[Stuart]

Having just read the article you are referring to - http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11761151.Former_Blackburn_mayor_enjoys__half_a_million_pound__party_hosted_by_Venky___s/- I don't think I need to alter anything in my previous post.

Grilled lobster and unlimited booze at a £500k birthday party. Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

Before we all wade in - which I probably will - at least he has had a go. I'd have been more annoyed if he'd gone and not tried to discuss Rovers.

That said, he has shown his ignorance by asking them to invest in the team and he has made us as see like peasants, scrimping and saving all year for our STs. Yet kids in the town walk around with Man U shirts and trainers that, alone, will be about half a season ticket worth.

They need to open dialogue with the RoversTrust and give them a share in the club - let them think it's their idea if necessary. If money is no object then this should not be a problem. Make people at the club accountable, not just to the FD but to the fans as well. It has to be both in this industry.

How we do that, nobody knows, but if the ex-Mayor is being invited to parties then the local people like him are the ones the fans should be getting on board with.

Who could do that? It needs to be a proper organised group in my view not a well-meaning group of fans:

FF? Not part of their remit and may upset their standing with the club.

Action Group? Possibly but I'm not sure what they are up to these days.

RoversTrust? Again, I'm not really sure where they are up to but they seem (to me) to be the most obvious choice.

Perhaps it's time for one such group to start making a nuisance of themselves. C'mon guys, Andy Dufresne built a library...

[Rover_Shaun]

Before we all wade in - which I probably will - at least he has had a go.

A right good go by all accounts. Especially the free food and booze

[Exiled in Toronto]

Having just read the article you are referring to - http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11761151.Former_Blackburn_mayor_enjoys__half_a_million_pound__party_hosted_by_Venky___s/- I don't think I need to alter anything in my previous post.

Grilled lobster and unlimited booze at a £500k birthday party. Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

And you wonder why the Trust's attempts to make contact have floundered.

First rule of negotiation is to use ANY means to get face-to-face, and the second rule is to make sure you get a second face-to-face.

Your scorn and outrage isn't going to get you anywhere.

Before we all wade in - which I probably will - at least he has had a go. I'd have been more annoyed if he'd gone and not tried to discuss Rovers.

That said, he has shown his ignorance by asking them to invest in the team and he has made us as see like peasants, scrimping and saving all year for our STs. Yet kids in the town walk around with Man U shirts and trainers that, alone, will be about half a season ticket worth.

They need to open dialogue with the RoversTrust and give them a share in the club - let them think it's their idea if necessary. If money is no object then this should not be a problem. Make people at the club accountable, not just to the FD but to the fans as well. It has to be both in this industry.

How we do that, nobody knows, but if the ex-Mayor is being invited to parties then the local people like him are the ones the fans should be getting on board with.

Who could do that? It needs to be a proper organised group in my view not a well-meaning group of fans:

FF? Not part of their remit and may upset their standing with the club.

Action Group? Possibly but I'm not sure what they are up to these days.

RoversTrust? Again, I'm not really sure where they are up to but they seem (to me) to be the most obvious choice.

Perhaps it's time for one such group to start making a nuisance of themselves. C'mon guys, Andy Dufresne built a library...

Stuart, they don't need to do either of those, it's you who wants them too. Until people start looking through their end of the telescope - which doesn't mean agreeing with them - nothing will change.

[Stuart]

Stuart, they don't need to do either of those, it's you who wants them too. Until people start looking through their end of the telescope - which doesn't mean agreeing with them - nothing will change.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say or what point you are trying to make.

Are you saying we should somehow try to see what they are trying to do here? Do they even know?

Anyway, it's a pretty hypothetical thread. How would you go about trying to change the Venkys quo?

[Paul]

Just reading the MB tonight, spread across every topic, it's clear why the Raos won't come to the table. Nothing connected with Rovers goes uncriticised. Even the bloody club day in town gets a hammering.

This is why demanding the Raos come to the table will never happen until, as EiT says, people see things from their perspective as well as ours.

[broadsword]

I think That's too far gone now, surely?

[TBTF]

Just reading the MB tonight, spread across every topic, it's clear why the Raos won't come to the table. Nothing connected with Rovers goes uncriticised. Even the bloody club day in town gets a hammering.

This is why demanding the Raos come to the table will never happen until, as EiT says, people see things from their perspective as well as ours.

Seeing things from their perspective when they have not said a word about their intentions in 5 years is impossible.Nobody knows even what their " perspective" actually is for Christ sake. We have been fed a diet of silence , secrecy and as paying customers , total disrespect and so if there is ever to be any dialogue between owners and fans then logically the first move has to come from them. Therefore if appointing a Director of Communications who has never said a word either in 18 months then I think the hopes are somewhere between none and Bob.

Are we therefore now resigned to a gulf that will never be bridged between Venkys and their paying customers? As a business model it's disgusting and the biggest crime of all is that they simply don't give a rats arse about it.

The only conclusion that can be drawn in those circumstances is that the Club is completely finished as they seem resigned to keeping it just about breathing at the minimum cost they can going forward and that can only mean the club just withers away to zero, it's just a case of how long.

But nobody outside Blackburn , within the authorities or the media canbe bothered . After all, it's all the fault of the fans.

If Indians had bought Jaguar Landrover and done the same thing as they have done here ,there would be a national outcry and a parliamentary inquest .

It's a total disgrace that these charlatans were ever allowed anywhere near Blackburn never mind to own it's 135 year old football heritage.

[Rover_Shaun]

The only Venky perspective I want is as former owners

[47er]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say or what point you are trying to make.

Are you saying we should somehow try to see what they are trying to do here? Do they even know?

Anyway, it's a pretty hypothetical thread. How would you go about trying to change the Venkys quo?

I asked him that! He hasn't answered. Just platitudes about trying to see their side of it.

What is their side of it? Do they even know?

The only Venky perspective I want is as former owners

How true. On the optimist thread I should have said that everyday I wake up is a day nearer to Venkys leaving.

[Baz]

And you wonder why the Trust's attempts to make contact have floundered.

First rule of negotiation is to use ANY means to get face-to-face, and the second rule is to make sure you get a second face-to-face.

Your scorn and outrage isn't going to get you anywhere.

Stuart, they don't need to do either of those, it's you who wants them too. Until people start looking through their end of the telescope - which doesn't mean agreeing with them - nothing will change.

Nigh on 5 years now, and not a logical statement from them.

Many people with nothing bar the clubs best interest at heart, and significant business knowledge have tried to make contact with them to try to help both the club and indirectly them, almost all to silence, not even the courtesy of a reply.

What else do you expect people to do, the ball is very firmly in their court on this.

In fact EiT, given lots have others have tried what are you bringing to the table, and what are you trying?

[ABBEY]

Just reading the MB tonight, spread across every topic, it's clear why the Raos won't come to the table. Nothing connected with Rovers goes uncriticised. Even the bloody club day in town gets a hammering.

This is why demanding the Raos come to the table will never happen until, as EiT says, people see things from their perspective as well as ours.

Steve kean blamed the fans too

[Paul]

Steve kean blamed the fans too

The vast majority of your posts attempt to attack, belittle or demean other fans who you don't like or who have views you disagree with.

Your repeated suggestions others are blaming the fans have become quite amusing. It's probably time to nudge the needle, the record is stuck.

[Claytons Left Boot]

How about getting a sympathetic ex player on board to force Alan Myers to actually do something within his remit. You've got to keep chipping away at this, get the press on our side in terms of keeping it in the news and gradually turn the screw on Myers.

To be honest the Rovers Trust should be exploring various avenues but it all seems to have gone quiet. It' s all right just repeating "I want Venky's out" or "They'll never come over." I feel exactly the same but it has become blindingly obvious for some time that, as they are going nowhere, you have got to look at things logically and focus energies in a different way to previously, ie. demonstrations and threats of legal recourse etc.

As EiT says, if Adams can speak to Paisley, anything can happen.

[Waggy76]

You can have as many meetings and messageboeard discussions as you like , the facts are simple ...

Blackburn Rovers will continue to decline until the Venkys depart..Then and only then can something be salvaged from the wreckage , totally created by the Venkys and their cohorts....

The rot starts at the top !

[Claytons Left Boot]

Blackburn Rovers will continue to decline until the Venkys depart.

I do agree but it need not be the case if change happens.

Just out of interest :-

1. When do you think they'll depart?

2. If they do depart, do you think they'll write off the £80-90m they've put into the club?

3. How much do you think the club is worth?

4. Who do you think would take a gamble on buying us, (a) if they could buy us for a nominal £1 with all debt having been written off and ( having to pay the current asking price, IMO say £10-15m plus paying back Venky's in excess of the £80m they have ploughed in?

Not sure why the smiley comes up, it should be point b.

[Waggy76]

I do agree but it need not be the case if change happens.

Just out of interest :-

1. When do you think they'll depart?

2. If they do depart, do you think they'll write off the £80-90m they've put into the club?

3. How much do you think the club is worth?

4. Who do you think would take a gamble on buying us, (a) if they could buy us for a nominal £1 with all debt having been written off and ( having to pay the current asking price, IMO say £10-15m plus paying back Venky's in excess of the £80m they have ploughed in?

Not sure why the smiley comes up, it should be point b.

1 The sooner the better..

2 Probably not but you never know , I would take admin today and the risks it involves....

3 No idea , a lot less than the Venkys paid for it ....

4 Portsmouth, Rangers ,Coventry are all playing this weekend , in my opinion another 5 years of these idiots there will not be a club ...At least if they go today , there is a chance there will be a club in 5 years...

[ABBEY]

The vast majority of your posts attempt to attack, belittle or demean other fans who you don't like or who have views you disagree with.

Your repeated suggestions others are blaming the fans have become quite amusing. It's probably time to nudge the needle, the record is stuck.

Really ? You really are one this boards best words twister and self conciepted so and so .

Your post actually attacks , belittles and demeans me . Quite funny really .

My record on venkys won't change .

Makes me laugh how you love having a go at me . Give you a clue and simplify it ignore more or expect it back .

Another wannabe in the brfcs willy waving contest of 2015

[K-Hod]

Lots of over - reaction on here, getting very tiresome imo.

Nobody's in any doubt how you feel about Venky's Abbey. Play the ball (post) not the man (poster).

[ABBEY]

K... For the past few days I've not had a pop at anyone yet Paul is the ones who puts a sneaky elbow in your nuts when the ref ain't looking.

Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth but he has a sneaky abbey hate for some reason . No idea why , he seemed a decent geezer when I met him but hey ho don't judge a book by its cover .

I won't make any more comments on this as I'm trying hard not to spat anymore but when arrogant so and so's kick at me I WILL respond back