[Archived] Bowyer Most Likely Not Sacked

[Rover_Shaun]

Who am I?

I am the only manager to lead Blackburn into the bottom 3 of the 2nd tier of English football in the last 30 years. And I have now done it twice?

[imy9]

Who am I?

I am the only manager to lead Blackburn into the bottom 3 of the 2nd tier of English football in the last 30 years. And I have now done it twice?

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.

Bowyer saved us from being relegated. He had taken over for what was it one game when we went into the bottom 3? Did he relegate us?

There are plenty of things to criticise him for so there is no need to revise history.

I personally feel he is on the brink of being sacked. Oddly wasn't Sam sacked after losing to Bolton?

[EgyptianPete]

Hasn't he signed ALL of our players apart from Rhodes? Not just the "better" ones?

Yes he has, as an aside what was the bust on last Tuesday one poster mentioned, anyone know, added to the speculation last night AND rovers actually posting that he had not been sacked does not bode well for Bowyer, he must now know he is on very thin ice, last legs, dead man walking etc. if he doesn't win on Friday then I think that will be enough for even the fence sitters to say time to go Bowyero-- that's if he is still here come Friday. (always best to have a new man before a crucial match). Kamy/Mani any thoughts or background information on who actually leaked to the press.

[ABBEY]

Who am I?

I am the only manager to lead Blackburn into the bottom 3 of the 2nd tier of English football in the last 30 years. And I have now done it twice?

I am the only manager to lose to burnley in 35 years

[EgyptianPete]

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.

Bowyer saved us from being relegated. He had taken over for what was it one game when we went into the bottom 3? Did he relegate us?

There are plenty of things to criticise him for so there is no need to revise history.

I think Jordan Rhodes had a lot to do with that.

[Rover_Shaun]

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.

There are plenty of things to criticise him for so there is no need to revise history.

OK. You do the lies and I will do the stats and history.

Appleton sacked with Rovers 18th. 4 points above the drop zone.

1 draw and 2 defeats later Rovers were in the drop zone. No ifs no buts just facts.

[T J Hooker]

Another consideration. When Souness was on the way to relegating us and had appeared to be powerless to stop it, people were more than happy to have him sacked. A proven manager who had seen it all and done it all, and brought us promotion and a domestic cup but he was wanted out.

Bowyer has brought us much much less yet people think he should stay.

Is this really anything to do with Rovers future under Bowyer - or his abilities - or are the concerns simply that Venkys/Shaw might bring in someone worse?

If people do think Bowyer has done everything he can and is going backwards then we have to roll the dice and see if Shaw can bring in a credible replacement.

In the interests of balance, here is a list of managers Shaw has worked with or recruited:

David Moyes

Craig Brown

Billy Davies

Paul Simpson

Alan Irvine

And wasn't Holloway Shaw's choice?

Are they really so terrible?

I forgot about moyes! Hows his stintt abroad going? Hed the kind of no nonsense ballbuster we need

[Jock]

Yes he has, as an aside what was the bust on last Tuesday one poster mentioned, anyone know, added to the speculation last night AND rovers actually posting that he had not been sacked does not bode well for Bowyer, he must now know he is on very thin ice, last legs, dead man walking etc. if he doesn't win on Friday then I think that will be enough for even the fence sitters to say time to go Bowyero-- that's if he is still here come Friday. (always best to have a new man before a crucial match). Kamy/Mani any thoughts or background information on who actually leaked to the press.

Would not surprise me if Shaw was instructed from India to start the ball rolling about being sacked. Then its not such a shock when it happens and Venkys limit the flack they'll get.

Nobody plays with a straight bat at Ewood, lots of shifty people out for themselves. The Club motto should read- The Self Preservation Society.

[tomphil]

I wonder if this story has been 'leaked' out by someone as a feeler to perhaps gauge reaction to them actually sacking him ? Personally from what I've seen and heard of him from the beginning of this season, even pre season I think he's had enough. He knows he was floundering last season and now with the FFP more than ever it needs a guy who can get blood out of a stone, he isn't that type.

The situation we are now in calls for a specialist, a troubleshooter type. There's not many around but the best one for the job is out of work but probably out of reach. If things get worse the short term fix may be Warnock or Megson but things would have to get a lot worse before I'd want either of them.

[Mercer]

I think Bowyer's position is now untenable.

Almost certainly, some mischief making going on at Ewood and if Bowyer has any sense, he'd resign and get his lawyers to pursue a case of constructive dismissal.

I think chasms are beginning to widen at Brockhall and Ewood. I certainly attach no credibility to the official line on Lowe and Henley.

[ABBEY]

Will action be taken against "the Leaker" and the scum , er sun ?

I think Bowyer's position is now untenable.

Almost certainly, some mischief making going on at Ewood and if Bowyer has any sense, he'd resign and get his lawyers to pursue a case of constructive dismissal.

I think chasms are beginning to widen at Brockhall and Ewood. I certainly attach no credibility to the official line on Lowe and Henley.

Hangover.com

Not taking enough players to fill the bench is scandalous .

[AggyBlue]

One things for sure, if we were winning, he wouldn't mention how lucky we've been.

How does the saying go?

It's better to have a lucky manager than a good manager.

One thing is for certain, you definitely don't want an unlucky manager.

[Jock]

I wonder if this story has been 'leaked' out by someone as a feeler to perhaps gauge reaction to them actually sacking him ? Personally from what I've seen and heard of him from the beginning of this season, even pre season I think he's had enough. He knows he was floundering last season and now with the FFP more than ever it needs a guy who can get blood out of a stone, he isn't that type.

The situation we are now in calls for a specialist, a troubleshooter type. There's not many around but the best one for the job is out of work but probably out of reach. If things get worse the short term fix may be Warnock or Megson but things would have to get a lot worse before I'd want either of them.

A fire fighter type. Sam did it for us last time. Then Madame decided we needed a young dynamic manager and look what we ended up with.

Who'd of thought 5 years ago we'd be talking about Warnock, Megson or Gregory for Rovers.

[Mercer]

Will action be taken against "the Leaker" and the scum , er sun ?

Hangover.com

Not taking enough players to fill the bench is scandalous .

How do you send two players home 300 miles with sickness and diarrhoea. Would be one messy taxi !

[Don Said]

Hate to say it, and will accept stick for this, but I kind've hope we lose on Friday if it means Bowyer going. Not said lightly either, most of my mates are Bolton fans and I hate them maybe as much as I do Burnley.

What's the point in winning and keeping him in a job when we'll revert to the same old thereafter? This constant merry go round of inconsistent and incompetent performances whilst slowly sliding down the league needs ending asap.

The sooner we give ourselves the chance to appoint a proper manager, the better.

[AggyBlue]

How do you send two players home 300 miles with sickness and diarrhoea. Would be one messy taxi !

Sickness and diarrhoea?

They've not been boiling their drinking water at home then

[tomphil]

A fire fighter type. Sam did it for us last time. Then Madame decided we needed a young dynamic manager and look what we ended up with.

Who'd of thought 5 years ago we'd be talking about Warnock, Megson or Gregory for Rovers.

Frightening stuff but if we end up marooned at the bottom they are the only guys who could dig us out imo. Can't stand any of those three but 2 of em certainly would drill out the comfort zone mentality that exists at Rovers.

They really need to get Allardyce on the blower and offer him one of the many Indian ranch estates they own as a sorry gift and as much Indian gold as his hefty frame can support.

[Parsonblue]

To Parson:

I'll ask again, if you have previously answered, apologies.

Can you explain HOW he is doing a good job with no mentions of trade learning, stability etc,

His record in 2015 is appalling, that is far more relevant than anything he did in 2013.

Can you explain how you think he is improving the side, how he is putting his 'mark' on the side and how that is a good thing.

What I see is a team going backwards, you don't seem to, so I am interested to see what you see.

Fair questions Mattyblue. However, I don't believe that you can answer the question without mentioning the dreaded "stability" word.

One of the issues that Bowyer has been faced with is trying to get the wage bill under control and offload a number of high earners. This he has done and at the same time lowered the average age of the players who are being brought into the club. In the immediate aftermath of the Kean-Black-Berg-Appleton-Shebby circus a period of stability - I know it's not a popular word - was required and he has delivered that. He has brought in players on the cheap and been able to sell them for sizeable profits - a skill that every successful manager at Ewood Park has possessed since the days of Johnny Carey's first spell at the club in the fifties. Whilst that may be of little comfort for supporters it is vital for the survival of clubs like the Rovers particularly when FFP means clubs have to try to become self sufficient

On the playing side I believe that he has looked beyond the first team and has tried to set up a fast track process by which younger players are pushed through earlier before being farmed out on loan to gain experience of the League at a lower level. In the long run one would hope that this would allow us to develop more of our own players.

Over the past two seasons we have achieved what I expected with our squad - a top half finish. This season I fully expect us to finish just below the half-way mark - between 12th and 15th - due to the restrictions that the embargo has placed upon us. Indeed, until it is lifted I don't believe we can challenge the top clubs in this League. To be honest, I believe that whoever the manager might be we are destined for a few more years outside of the Premier League.

I have always said that unless there is the imminent threat of relegation that a manager - any manager - should be given time. If we are threated with that in three months or four months time then clearly to need for change would be impossible to argue against. However, personally, I don't believe we are at that point just yet. The present team is fairly new - six players involved yesterday only arrived a matter of weeks or - in the case of Lawrence - days ago. It takes time to get the right blend. The days of Jack Walker, the Trust and Premier League glory are, sadly, long gone and the new reality is that we are just one of many Championship club who, if they have a good season could challenge for promotion, and if they have a bad one could be fighting the drop.

I accept that my views are not welcome within the confines of this forum but at the end of the day we are all entitled to have our own opinions - after all football is a game of opinions.

[den]

You actually believe that this forum is the voice of the fans? Now I know you are having a laugh.

Voice of the fans - has anyone said that Parson?

I think the views on here are fairly representative of the rovers fans as a whole. I think they always have been. Why wouldn't they be, they're the same people. Allardyce, Kidd, Ince, sourness, Hughes, Venkys etc, etc. - can you point out where the views on here were Different to the views on the ground? They weren't, were they.

[ABBEY]

How does the saying go?

It's better to have a lucky manager than a good manager.

One thing is for certain, you definitely don't want an unlucky manager.

what about when the luck runs out

[Jock]

Sickness and diarrhoea?

They've not been boiling their drinking water at home then

IF this sickness was self inflicted they should be made to visit the abattoir at Bamber Bridge and have their heads held over the offal bins.

[Feniscowles Blue]

Fair questions Mattyblue. However, I don't believe that you can answer the question without mentioning the dreaded "stability" word.

One of the issues that Bowyer has been faced with is trying to get the wage bill under control and offload a number of high earners. This he has done and at the same time lowered the average age of the players who are being brought into the club. In the immediate aftermath of the Kean-Black-Berg-Appleton-Shebby circus a period of stability - I know it's not a popular word - was required and he has delivered that. He has brought in players on the cheap and been able to sell them for sizeable profits - a skill that every successful manager at Ewood Park has possessed since the days of Johnny Carey's first spell at the club in the fifties. Whilst that may be of little comfort for supporters it is vital for the survival of clubs like the Rovers particularly when FFP means clubs have to try to become self sufficient

On the playing side I believe that he has looked beyond the first team and has tried to set up a fast track process by which younger players are pushed through earlier before being farmed out on loan to gain experience of the League at a lower level. In the long run one would hope that this would allow us to develop more of our own players.

Over the past two seasons we have achieved what I expected with our squad - a top half finish. This season I fully expect us to finish just below the half-way mark - between 12th and 15th - due to the restrictions that the embargo has placed upon us. Indeed, until it is lifted I don't believe we can challenge the top clubs in this League. To be honest, I believe that whoever the manager might be we are destined for a few more years outside of the Premier League.

I have always said that unless there is the imminent threat of relegation that a manager - any manager - should be given time. If we are threated with that in three months or four months time then clearly to need for change would be impossible to argue against. However, personally, I don't believe we are at that point just yet. The present team is fairly new - six players involved yesterday only arrived a matter of weeks or - in the case of Lawrence - days ago. It takes time to get the right blend. The days of Jack Walker, the Trust and Premier League glory are, sadly, long gone and the new reality is that we are just one of many Championship club who, if they have a good season could challenge for promotion, and if they have a bad one could be fighting the drop.

I accept that my views are not welcome within the confines of this forum but at the end of the day we are all entitled to have our own opinions - after all football is a game of opinions.

change the record Parson. Just admit you were wrong about Gaz. We all wish he'd get us up but he'll more likely get us down

[Baz]

Voice of the fans - has anyone said that Parson?

I think the views on here are fairly representative of the rovers fans as a whole. I think they always have been. Why wouldn't they be, they're the same people. Allardyce, Kidd, Ince, sourness, Hughes, Venkys etc, etc. - can you point out where the views on here were Different to the views on the ground? They weren't, were they.

How about a poll? It would show the number of people active on here, and the backing he still has.

[Parsonblue]

change the record Parson. Just admit you were wrong about Gaz. We all wish he'd get us up but he'll more likely get us down

Why? Are folk not entitled to a different view from yourself? Clearly you seem to have difficulty with dealing with views other than your own. Fair enough that's your problem not mine.

[A cup of beans]

No sympathy if you take that rag seriously pb . I wouldn't believe the date on it unless checking with a calendar first.

Seriously, how many regular posters are there on here nowadays? There was a time when there were literally hundreds and yet today we have about 20 or 30 regulars and some who drop in now and again. It's not a slight on the forum or those who put in a huge effort to keep it going and improve it but it is a fact. I think many of us miss so many who use to post regularly and no longer do.

Fine sentiments,I miss many too.

Very little to do with the current debate though.