[Archived] Bowyer Most Likely Not Sacked

[Athlete]

Still funny though.

Typical of the golfer

[RevidgeBlue]

Yes I can confirm that Mani.

I think the leak wasnt from someone at Brockhall or Ewood Park but maybe someone who is advising the owners about possible getting their man in as manager.

Give over chaddy.

Why would a journalist print a story about Bowyer being sacked on the say so of someone nothing whatsoever to do with the Club.

Besides, thought Tris had nailed this fairly conclusively?

[ABBEY]

Sorted .. Chaddy confirms

[thenodrog]

I don't think it helped last season that they played 442 because you couldn't play Dunny in a 4 IMO.

Don't you know better than to talk common sense on here mani?

You're only saying that because its another pro-bowyer post

getting personal are you? What I posted pretty well sums up the situation. We have lots of players who are 'new' to each other. 'Gelling with the rest of the team takes time. Have you been to Ewood this season?

[Blueandwhitemike]

For what it's worth, I think the plan was to sack Bowyer following the closure of last season and that Shelfy was actually looking at replacements.

For some reason, I believe Venky's 'lost interest' and changed their minds, perhaps not wanting the aggravation of it all (thinking back to Kean, Berg, Appleton etc ) hence the inactivity we saw in June and July.

That sounds quite plausible Mercerman, how much of it is guesswork and how much of it is from what you have heard?

[Kamy100]

Give over chaddy.

Why would a journalist print a story about Bowyer being sacked on the say so of someone nothing whatsoever to do with the Club.

Besides, thought Tris had nailed this fairly conclusively?

Agreed Rev. Ken Lawrence is not the type to just print a story on the say so of someone not connected with the club.

[thenodrog]

Typical of the golfer

Could you explain that comment? Doesn't make any sense to me.... not that I'm the least bit surprised.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Agreed Rev. Ken Lawrence is not the type to just print a story on the say so of someone not connected with the club.

Importantly are his connections at Brockhall or Pune ?

[thenodrog]

Speaking from past experience and a ban for even posting a link but has anybody links to betting odds / patterns around the globe?

[yoda]

Agreed Rev. Ken Lawrence is not the type to just print a story on the say so of someone not connected with the club.

Then again if they are connected why do that ?

By connected do you mean employed or just connected via business ?

[Iceman]

Sorted .. Chaddy confirms

how much do you love Chaddy, Abbey? lol

[tomphil]

Its bloody brilliant that the story breaks whilst Bowyer, the squad and the MDs are all on a plane up from Brighton. None of them know if its true or not, so the staff at Ewood have to ring Pune and find out what the @#/? is happening.

How the @#/? can the MDs be sat on a plane and not be sure if the manager has been sacked or not? Tremendous.

Source?

According to the rag the Rovers officials weren't on the plane.

[Mani]

According to the rag the Rovers officials weren't on the plane.

Coaches and players were.

Sorted .. Chaddy confirms

STILL upset?? Awwwww we're sorry mate.

[tomphil]

Meaning they'd no one supposedly higher up the shelf rack to ask face to face when the rumour broke eh.

[ABBEY]

Coaches and players were.

STILL upset?? Awwwww we're sorry mate.

Upset ? Pmsl take more than that

[philipl]

Bowyer did a good job in awful circumstances when he caretakered and then took over. Last season, he had assembled a squad well capable of promotion but apart from a week in 6th place at the end of November, never got within sniffing distance of going up.

By now, the weaknesses should be being resolved if not resolved. Bowyer might be showing signs of being able to have a prepared Plan B but in reality any "thinking" football manager can sucker punch the Rovers with a subtle or painfully obvious change of game plan.

As for our defence, organising it doesn't seem to be a Bowyer strength.

Perhaps it is worth asking, do you feel reasonably confident of not losing to the dingles this season?

More to the point, it is early April next year and we desperately need a win at Ewood to avoid relegation becoming very tricky to avoid. Do you expect GB to inspire the team and 10,000 Rovers fans to a do or die effort?

Anyone answered yes to either or both of those questions?

[ABBEY]

How many transfer widows did he ask to judged ?

[RibbleValleyRover]

It feels like the people advocating he stays don't seem to care about the financial situation at the club and appear to be happy to spend another season or two in the championship as the best case scenario. Personally I think this is a dangerous mindset, the club cannot keep making these losses each year. Each year the debt increases the more likely the squad will have to get weaker as costs are trimmed therefore making it more difficult to be competitive and fight for promotion to get that much needed financial boost.

I said at the time of his appointment that it was a bad idea and we would get burned by promoting from within again and so far he hasn't proven me wrong. If Rovers had no transfer embargo and had £5m-10m to spend on players I fully believe that Rovers wouldn't be much better and certainly not fighting for promotion. He steadied the ship to a degree (though that itself has been a tad overblown) but he is the wrong manager to take this club forward, he just doesn't have 'it'.

[Iceman]

Those who want Bowyer to stay, are those who are far too sentimental towards him. Loyal servant of the club blah blah blah. This is professional football, results is what matters. Our football is poor, organisation is poor, and overall we have no idea what we are doing. Need to stop with the he stabilised us, kept us from relegation etc. What happens now when we are at the bottom struggling? Can we still tow that line? For some yes, others will be far too smart for that.

[Gav]

It feels like the people advocating he stays don't seem to care about the financial situation at the club and appear to be happy to spend another season or two in the championship as the best case scenario. Personally I think this is a dangerous mindset, the club cannot keep making these losses each year. Each year the debt increases the more likely the squad will have to get weaker as costs are trimmed therefore making it more difficult to be competitive and fight for promotion to get that much needed financial boost.

I said at the time of his appointment that it was a bad idea and we would get burned by promoting from within again and so far he hasn't proven me wrong. If Rovers had no transfer embargo and had £5m-10m to spend on players I fully believe that Rovers wouldn't be much better and certainly not fighting for promotion. He steadied the ship to a degree (though that itself has been a tad overblown) but he is the wrong manager to take this club forward, he just doesn't have 'it'.

Its a good post Ribble but the sooner people realise that the real issue isn't Gary Bowyer the better, but under a different regime I'd agree wholeheartedly with you.

Sack Bowyer and we get another inexperienced manager on a cheap deal, its the Venkys way, we've seen it time and time again.

Debt, going bust etc etc I know I know we need Venkys, b0ll0x we do we're just existing now and dying a slow death, is that what people want?

Get rid of venkys should be everyones main objective, Gary Bowyer is just a side show.

[martonrover]

Its a good post Ribble but the sooner people realise that the real issue isn't Gary Bowyer the better, but under a different regime I'd agree wholeheartedly with you.

Sack Bowyer and we get another inexperienced manager on a cheap deal, its the Venkys way, we've seen it time and time again.

Debt, going bust etc etc I know I know we need Venkys, b0ll0x we do we're just existing now and dying a slow death, is that what you want?

Get rid of venkys should be everyones main objective, Gary Bowyer is just a side show.

I think most people do realise that Venky's are the main problem but the reality is that they will leave at a time of their choosing, not ours.

In the meantime it's about making the best of a bad job and right now that means changing the manager in my opinion.

Yes, they could make another poor appointment but something has to give and Bowyer in now no more than a lame duck.

[den]

I think most people do realise that Venky's are the main problem but the reality is that they will leave at a time of their choosing, not ours.

In the meantime it's about making the best of a bad job and right now that means changing the manager in my opinion.

Yes, they could make another poor appointment but something has to give and Bowyer in now no more than a lame duck.

Yep, we all know where the crux of our problems lie. Thing is - and an alternative viewpoint to Gavs - improving on the manager will show improvement on the field, whoever the owners are.

[Gav]

I think most people do realise that Venky's are the main problem but the reality is that they will leave at a time of their choosing, not ours.

In the meantime it's about making the best of a bad job and right now that means changing the manager in my opinion.

Yes, they could make another poor appointment but something has to give and Bowyer in now no more than a lame duck.

Making the most of a bad job? we deserve better than that marton, but obviously I know where you're coming from and the majority of the fanbase clearly feel the same, I wonder what ever happened to the fight in the town, people never used to put up with things they didn't agree with, but I guess times have changed.

The way to make Venkys sit up and take note is to hit them in the pocket and spoil the brand, now they'd already done an excellent job of ruining the brand, so I'm tempted to just sit back and let them continue, but thats the way to hasten their exit.

[Mullionvagrant]

I am guessing what it boils down to is finances.

How can we replace Bowyer with a high quality manager (wages and payoff) and meet the requirements/come out of Financial fair Play (not spend which seems to be the requirement of late).

I'm guessing therefore the question that needs posing would be-where would the money come from?

Rhodes sale??? (If he hasn't been sold yet i'm guessing this isn't an option as he is perhaps seen as our iconic signing) so where????

Oh and who would make the appointment decision Shaw??? (owners by their own admittance haven't got footballing knowledge). Who would advise if not-shudders at the thought........

[Gav]

Yep, we all know where the crux of our problems lie. Thing is - and an alternative viewpoint to Gavs - improving on the manager will show improvement on the field, whoever the owners are.

You've got a dam site more faith in Shaw and Venkys than I have den, and don't tell me it can't be any worse because it can, much worse.