[Archived] Bowyer Most Likely Not Sacked

[ABBEY]

You are that "loyal " to bowyer you actually wanted him sacked last year !

[Athlete]

You are that "loyal " to bowyer you actually wanted him sacked last year !

sounds as loyal as an Italian tank

[scotty_beam_me_up]

I just don't understand what is stopping them from pulling the trigger. GB has had 2 full years and we have gone backwards. We had the best two forwards in the league last season and he couldn't find a way to make it work. He should've have been sacked after the Brentford game last season when the play off fantasy was gone.

I wanted Venkys to give him time and they have. Now bring someone else in before we find ourselves in League one.

[yoda]

I thought it was the in thing to not renew contracts instead of sacking people these days

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Rubbish. If they are doing then it's 5 years too late. The time for action was when we were in the Prem with an independent income of 50-60 million pa, an experienced and skilled manager and a proper administration running the show. Once we were relegated we became dependent on the venky nipple, and life without their financial support does not bear thinking about.

I was referring to the fans losing patience with the dreadful start to the season and the seemingly apathetic Bowyer...no rubbish at all.

[Stuart]

For me the owners/Mrs D need to make a decision whether they are going back GB for the season or sack him. I hope they are not going to back him on a game by game basis. lose and we sack him and if we win then we back him. because if they are then it is pathetic and no way to run this GREAT football club and very unfair on the manager/coaching staff/players and the fans(which are very important). we don't need uncertain at all this season.

I like Bowyer a lot and maybe I am abit too loyal to him. I am happy to admit that and maybe that a fault of mine. Maybe it would be best if a change was made for the club, fans and the manager sake. I will say that I think Bowyer has done a good job for this club and he should be credit and give the respect for that considering the sh#t hole it was when he took over that summer. He has bought some good players for this league and I will admit he should have got us top 6 last season.

A decision need to be made this week and no later than the end of the weekend in my opinion. we have 2 weeks break after the Bolton game so we NEED A DECISION, whether we get one is a different question and a MAJOR problem.

Also another problem we have is WHO is going to pick the new manager and conduct interviews with potential managers IF Bowyer is sack. will it be Shaw/Slivester/Myers? will the Owners come over to interview potential managers along with Shaw? will they use an agent or one of their football advisors? will they speak to respectable people within the game like Kenny Dalglish, Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger?

Ignoring the last sentence, which is pure fiction, I think that's your best ever post on this messageboard, Chris. Good effort.

[chaddyrovers]

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[ABBEY]

Just stating fact don't be grumpy

I even liked it

[Tom]

Great post Chaddy

[roverandout]

I knew you would bring that up Abbey. but I couldn't give a toss what you think Abbey tbh.

my post is well thought out and makes some good points. if you don't think so or don't recognise that I really couldn't give toss either

Talk about blowing your own trumpet, that said the best post you have made to date

[chaddyrovers]

Just stating fact don't be grumpy

I even liked it

my apologise Abbey

[thenodrog]

For me the owners/Mrs D need to make a decision whether they are going back GB for the season or sack him. I hope they are not going to back him on a game by game basis. lose and we sack him and if we win then we back him. because if they are then it is pathetic and no way to run this GREAT football club and very unfair on the manager/coaching staff/players and the fans(which are very important). we don't need uncertain at all this season.

I like Bowyer a lot and maybe I am abit too loyal to him. I am happy to admit that and maybe that a fault of mine. Maybe it would be best if a change was made for the club, fans and the manager sake. I will say that I think Bowyer has done a good job for this club and he should be credit and give the respect for that considering the sh#t hole it was when he took over that summer. He has bought some good players for this league and I will admit he should have got us top 6 last season.

A decision need to be made this week and no later than the end of the weekend in my opinion. we have 2 weeks break after the Bolton game so we NEED A DECISION, whether we get one is a different question and a MAJOR problem.

Also another problem we have is WHO is going to pick the new manager and conduct interviews with potential managers IF Bowyer is sack. will it be Shaw/Slivester/Myers? will the Owners come over to interview potential managers along with Shaw? will they use an agent or one of their football advisors? will they speak to respectable people within the game like Kenny Dalglish, Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger?

Disagree entirely. I prefer a date / league position tbh chaddy set in private between the Owners, the Chairman and the Manager. e.g. if we are still in the bottom 3 come the clocks going back then we need a change. Of course there are exceptions where clubs come back from the dead at the death with Leicester City being one but they are few and far between.

I was referring to the fans losing patience with the dreadful start to the season and the seemingly apathetic Bowyer...no rubbish at all.

If they put up with the Anderson / Kean era then they are proper stayers.

[T J Hooker]

For me the owners/Mrs D need to make a decision whether they are going back GB for the season or sack him. I hope they are not going to back him on a game by game basis. lose and we sack him and if we win then we back him. because if they are then it is pathetic and no way to run this GREAT football club and very unfair on the manager/coaching staff/players and the fans(which are very important). we don't need uncertain at all this season.

I like Bowyer a lot and maybe I am abit too loyal to him. I am happy to admit that and maybe that a fault of mine. Maybe it would be best if a change was made for the club, fans and the manager sake. I will say that I think Bowyer has done a good job for this club and he should be credit and give the respect for that considering the sh#t hole it was when he took over that summer. He has bought some good players for this league and I will admit he should have got us top 6 last season.

A decision need to be made this week and no later than the end of the weekend in my opinion. we have 2 weeks break after the Bolton game so we NEED A DECISION, whether we get one is a different question and a MAJOR problem.

Also another problem we have is WHO is going to pick the new manager and conduct interviews with potential managers IF Bowyer is sack. will it be Shaw/Slivester/Myers? will the Owners come over to interview potential managers along with Shaw? will they use an agent or one of their football advisors? will they speak to respectable people within the game like Kenny Dalglish, Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger?

Blimey chads, thats the post of the year so far in my book, nice one.

[Feniscowles Blue]

See what happens Chaddy when you actually give your opinion .

[PAFELL]

For me the owners/Mrs D need to make a decision whether they are going back GB for the season or sack him. I hope they are not going to back him on a game by game basis. lose and we sack him and if we win then we back him. because if they are then it is pathetic and no way to run this GREAT football club and very unfair on the manager/coaching staff/players and the fans(which are very important). we don't need uncertain at all this season.

I like Bowyer a lot and maybe I am abit too loyal to him. I am happy to admit that and maybe that a fault of mine. Maybe it would be best if a change was made for the club, fans and the manager sake. I will say that I think Bowyer has done a good job for this club and he should be credit and give the respect for that considering the sh#t hole it was when he took over that summer. He has bought some good players for this league and I will admit he should have got us top 6 last season.

A decision need to be made this week and no later than the end of the weekend in my opinion. we have 2 weeks break after the Bolton game so we NEED A DECISION, whether we get one is a different question and a MAJOR problem.

Also another problem we have is WHO is going to pick the new manager and conduct interviews with potential managers IF Bowyer is sack. will it be Shaw/Slivester/Myers? will the Owners come over to interview potential managers along with Shaw? will they use an agent or one of their football advisors? will they speak to respectable people within the game like Kenny Dalglish, Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger?

Nice one Chaddy.

[Baz]

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[Proudtobeblue&white]

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Howard too old, Kenny happy in the pool, Marky doin ok in the Potteries, Souie takin the Sky wedge so Gazza it is!

[47er]

For me the owners/Mrs D need to make a decision whether they are going back GB for the season or sack him. I hope they are not going to back him on a game by game basis. lose and we sack him and if we win then we back him. because if they are then it is pathetic and no way to run this GREAT football club and very unfair on the manager/coaching staff/players and the fans(which are very important). we don't need uncertain at all this season.

I like Bowyer a lot and maybe I am abit too loyal to him. I am happy to admit that and maybe that a fault of mine. Maybe it would be best if a change was made for the club, fans and the manager sake. I will say that I think Bowyer has done a good job for this club and he should be credit and give the respect for that considering the sh#t hole it was when he took over that summer. He has bought some good players for this league and I will admit he should have got us top 6 last season.

A decision need to be made this week and no later than the end of the weekend in my opinion. we have 2 weeks break after the Bolton game so we NEED A DECISION, whether we get one is a different question and a MAJOR problem.

Also another problem we have is WHO is going to pick the new manager and conduct interviews with potential managers IF Bowyer is sack. will it be Shaw/Slivester/Myers? will the Owners come over to interview potential managers along with Shaw? will they use an agent or one of their football advisors? will they speak to respectable people within the game like Kenny Dalglish, Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger?

A long post but the gist of it is-----you've abandoned him-----again!

You are now seeing what most of us saw months ago(if not earlier!)

[RevidgeBlue]

For me the owners/Mrs D need to make a decision whether they are going back GB for the season or sack him. I hope they are not going to back him on a game by game basis. lose and we sack him and if we win then we back him. because if they are then it is pathetic and no way to run this GREAT football club and very unfair on the manager/coaching staff/players and the fans(which are very important). we don't need uncertain at all this season.

I like Bowyer a lot and maybe I am abit too loyal to him. I am happy to admit that and maybe that a fault of mine. Maybe it would be best if a change was made for the club, fans and the manager sake. I will say that I think Bowyer has done a good job for this club and he should be credit and give the respect for that considering the sh#t hole it was when he took over that summer. He has bought some good players for this league and I will admit he should have got us top 6 last season.

A decision need to be made this week and no later than the end of the weekend in my opinion. we have 2 weeks break after the Bolton game so we NEED A DECISION, whether we get one is a different question and a MAJOR problem.

Also another problem we have is WHO is going to pick the new manager and conduct interviews with potential managers IF Bowyer is sack. will it be Shaw/Slivester/Myers? will the Owners come over to interview potential managers along with Shaw? will they use an agent or one of their football advisors? will they speak to respectable people within the game like Kenny Dalglish, Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger?

Bloody hell chaddy, you didn't display much loyalty to GB on Saturday night when you whipped up a seven or eight man replacement shortlist within minutes of rumours circulating about his departure! Lol.

On a serious note I appreciate you have put a lot of thought into your post but for what it's worth I completely disagree.

In my view the situation needs to be kept completely fluid and under review. The last thing the owners should be doing is committing to a lame duck manager for a specified period of time. For example we could win on Friday and it might be thought the pressure is off slightly. They could say "We'll give him until Christmas". Then we might lose the next 6.

It might also be possible to be too inflexible the other way. So they could say " If he doesn't win either of the next two he's out." Then we might (unlike now) all of a sudden start to play absolutely brilliantly but just fail to get the result. In those circumstances a fine judgement call would need to be made and a bit more time may be needed.

In those sort of circumstances, any sort of long term decision taken either way could be a hasty one. I'd far rather the owners kept their options open and were able to react to events rather than be constricted by an artificial timescale which has been superceded by events on the pitch.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Bloody hell chaddy, you didn't display much loyalty to GB on Saturday night when you whipped up a seven or eight man replacement shortlist within minutes of rumours circulating about his departure! Lol.

On a serious note I appreciate you have put a lot of thought into your post but for what it's worth I completely disagree.

In my view the situation needs to be kept completely fluid and under review. The last thing the owners should be doing is committing to a lame duck manager for a specified period of time. For example we could win on Friday and it might be thought the pressure is off slightly. They could say "We'll give him until Christmas". Then we might lose the next 6.

It might also be possible to be too inflexible the other way. So they could say " If he doesn't win either of the next two he's out." Then we might (unlike now) all of a sudden start to play absolutely brilliantly but just fail to get the result. In those circumstances a fine judgement call would need to be made and a bit more time may be needed.

In those sort of circumstances, any sort of long term decision taken either way could be a hasty one. I'd far rather the owners kept their options open and were able to react to events rather than be constricted by an artificial timescale which has been superceded by events on the pitch.

Actually my gut feeling is that we will win on Friday, I think he's been lucky that he has never had the run of continuous bad results to put real pressure on him. IMO he still has to go though even if we win on Friday, one game isn't the bigger picture here.

The best decision Venky's have ever made was putting him on a rolling one year contract, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they decided to stick with him and offer him a new contract. They did it with Kean, they thought he was the right man and that a new contract would get the fans off his back. If they redo that contract then they haven't learned a damn thing.

[JHRover]

Can we please just put to bed the idea that we 'can't afford' to change manager owing to FUP.

Take a look around the Championship at the number of clubs that happily change managers/coaches sometimes several times a season. Amazingly all those clubs have managed to avoid an embargo despite several pay-offs to sacked managers and staff. Leeds worked their way through 3 sackings last season and still managed to get their embargo lifted in time for this summer.

Forest have chopped and changed at an alarming rate and will do so again this season if necessary. They won't use the embargo as an excuse.

Presumably this is the same mentality that will see a clamor for some inexperienced rookie ex-player to be our next manager, picking from a pool of Gary Flitcroft, Matt Jansen, Keith Hill, Craig Short and even more bizarrely Gareth Ainsworth (just because he's from Blackburn). I'd love to know what any of those individuals have achieved between them that qualifies any of them to manage a club of this size and expectation (as far as I am concerned getting promoted from the 4th division does not immediately make someone suitable for a club of our size).

Note please how Bolton somehow managed to attract Lennon whilst bottom 3 without two pennies to rub together, how Brighton appointed Hughton with little/no money whilst in the bottom 3 and how Ipswich appointed Mick McCarthy with a pittance to spend. Its complete nonsense that we couldn't afford a proven manager, or that FFP couldn't permit it. Yet some people will believe it is true so that we can then settle on a mediocre, unproven and uninspiring new manager who will be getting the same treatment as Bowyer is now in 12 months time for not being experienced or proven enough.

[AllRoverAsia]

We have fixtures coming up in September and October which on current results and form of the participants could see us entrenched in the bottom 6.

We most certainly need a win v Bolton and then after the international break v Fulham. It is then we enter a most difficult 8 game run that will make or break us and setup our season.

Sack Bowyer now and appoint a caretaker v Bolton and take what comes out of that game. Use the international gap to appoint an experienced manager and motivator. I will let others with more knowledge suggest who.

I fear that if we stick with Bowyer we may well be as good as relegated well before Christmas.

I also fear that what will actually happen is that the Punites will stick with Bowyer, we will beat Bolton (and I want us to win as all Rovers fans really do), Bowyer will stay and that all will end very badly.

[Rover_Shaun]

For what it's worth I can't see us going down under Bowyer but I can't see us going up and there's the rub. Managers have been promoted from this league with worse squads. Burnley did it, so did Reading, to name 2. As Gary Rowett said a £10k ffp max wage is massive for this league so it's time to stop using ffp as an excuse cloak. Promotion is the only thing that can save the clubs finances. Let's give it a "right good go" this time rather than promoting nobodies from within. It could all end up fantastically magnificent, a right big positive.

Let's have a 2 for 1 and kick Dodgy Derek to the kerb too.

[Mike Graham]

We are where we are. Last weekend finished up being a right laugh at everyone's expense (inc my own).

GB will only be moved on by the V's. We have no control over this, nor I expect do the Rovers Board of Directors.

Move on and enjoy the footie ;-)

[thenodrog]

Bloody hell chaddy, you didn't display much loyalty to GB on Saturday night when you whipped up a seven or eight man replacement shortlist within minutes of rumours circulating about his departure! Lol.

On a serious note I appreciate you have put a lot of thought into your post but for what it's worth I completely disagree.

In my view the situation needs to be kept completely fluid and under review. The last thing the owners should be doing is committing to a lame duck manager for a specified period of time. For example we could win on Friday and it might be thought the pressure is off slightly. They could say "We'll give him until Christmas". Then we might lose the next 6.

It might also be possible to be too inflexible the other way. So they could say " If he doesn't win either of the next two he's out." Then we might (unlike now) all of a sudden start to play absolutely brilliantly but just fail to get the result. In those circumstances a fine judgement call would need to be made and a bit more time may be needed.

In those sort of circumstances, any sort of long term decision taken either way could be a hasty one. I'd far rather the owners kept their options open and were able to react to events rather than be constricted by an artificial timescale which has been superceded by events on the pitch.

Quite right Simon. Suicidal to make long term decisions like that. If we'd given Souness, Ince, Berg and Appleton longer each would have been 90% certain to take us down! Surprised so many have accepted it and lauded chaddy's 'best ever post' twithout properly thinking it through.