[Archived] Bowyer Most Likely Not Sacked

[BlooBoy]

That does speak volumes . You would think with all the "ITK" boasters on here someone would have got something by now .

Only to be laughed at by certain people

Those that do know will probably be keeping quiet to avoid the usual abuse from the usual posters..

[ABBEY]

My point is no real stuff is posted by them

[thenodrog]

What has Bowyer done wrong? he's been promoted beyond his ability and is trying his best in difficult circumstances.

People seem to forget he's working for bonkers owners, only has Shaw to deal with on a day to day basis, imagine that!

I'd replace the guy tomorrow if we could guarantee a decent appointment, but he's not the devil, he's trying his best and thats all you can ask for.

This prob won't be popular but one might also opine that since the Berg fiasco (which imo was a mess created by previous circumstances, and one that he prob took the rap for) that Shaw has done little wrong too. Not done much right either except somehow to get the venkys to keep their heads down, stay in the wings and continue with their financial support of the club. If that is down to him then he deserves credit for that.

My point is no real stuff is posted by them

Why would it be Abbey? If someone hears a rumour and posts on here they stand a chance of being sussed by the club etc and if the 'rumour' turns out to be nothing more than a runmour and nothing comes of it they get ripped about it forever. Must say if I heard anything I'd most prob pm a couple of members with the info rather than post on the mb.

[EgyptianPete]

My point is no real stuff is posted by them

Does all this, or should i say all this not a re run of the Kean fiasco, is he, isn't he sacked, so many false dawns, i fear this is the same.

[ABBEY]

This prob won't be popular but one might also opine that since the Berg fiasco (which imo was a mess created by previous circumstances, and one that he prob took the rap for) that Shaw has done little wrong too. Not done much right either except somehow to get the venkys to keep their heads down, stay in the wings and continue with their financial support of the club. If that is down to him then he deserves credit for that.

Why would it be Abbey? If someone hears a rumour and posts on here they stand a chance of being sussed by the club etc and if the 'rumour' turns out to be nothing more than a runmour and nothing comes of it they get ripped about it forever. Must say if I heard anything I'd most prob pm a couple of members with the info rather than post on the mb.

I agree gord , but the self confessed itk boasters are not boasting

[martonrover]

I've never thought he was bad as what everyone makes out, his biggest detractors on here don't even go to games might I add

But this question is a valid one:

Can Bowyer get this side promoted?

in my opinion absolutely no chance, the squads not good enough and the manager isn't good enough either, so where does that leave us?

In the hands of Shaw and Venkys and I have zero confidence in them bringing in better than Bowyer, they're just not capable, so it looks like Bowyer for the foreseeable future, get used to it.

Bowyer's been taking us slowly backwards until this season when it looks like he's hit quick reverse.

I believe he may take us down, which is why a change is needed.

Poor performances & results on the pitch & a chaotic transfer strategy.

Oh. & I'm a season ticket holder.

[thenodrog]

Bowyer's been taking us slowly backwards until this season when it looks like he's hit quick reverse.

I believe he may take us down, which is why a change is needed.

Poor performances & results on the pitch & a chaotic transfer strategy.

Oh. & I'm a season ticket holder.

His days probably are numbered if only on the average tenure basis of Championship managers. He's quite likely in the top 4 longest serving by now. Clubs do need a shake up now and again but I certainly won't remember him as a bad manager. More a Bobby Saxton / Don McKay than a Mark Hughes or a Paul Ince.

[Rover_Shaun]

He didn't get us anywhere near as close to promotion as either of those two

[Gav]

Bowyer's been taking us slowly backwards until this season when it looks like he's hit quick reverse.

I believe he may take us down, which is why a change is needed.

Poor performances & results on the pitch & a chaotic transfer strategy.

Oh. & I'm a season ticket holder.

So you agree then, he's just been promoted beyond his ability and he's struggling.

Glad you're a season ticket holder

[tomphil]

Nearly all managers have a shelf life even good ones and experienced proven ones so it's no surprise he is probably reaching the end of his. He has no real experience to draw on in situations like this so he just sticks to what he knows which served him and us well a few seasons ago for a while. Going into another job he'll be better for it after the experience here and probably do ok but again it will be for about 3 years then it'll go backwards again and he'd have to move on again. As has been said it's just the managers modern day shelf life.

Often in football just a change is needed, new voice and a few new ideas even if it only works for a while. You have to have an infrastructure that allows for change as it's inevitable in football and that's something Venkys can't get to grips with. You get the impression they want someone in the managers seat who'll run the show for them for the next 20 years but that should be someone in the chief execs seat. Managers come and go, you'd think they'd finally have realised by now football doesn't work like business.

[broadsword]

Does Bowyer normally say much during the week?

"Morning Gary, do you want a cup of tea, pet?"

"Magnificent, love, thanks"

"I'm just going out to work love, could you walk the dog for me?"

"I'll have a right good go at that sweetie, no problem"

etc etc

[Kamy100]

He doesn't normally talk midweek, he has his presser on Thursday.

While it is a bit weird that there is no after match interview on the official website, he did talk to Radio Lancashire (https://audioboom.com/boos/3493729-audio-brighton-1-onerovers-0-gary-bowyer) and Lancashire Telegraph (http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/13621001.Gary_Bowyer_rues__big_moments__as_Blackburn_Rovers__winless_start_continues/?ref=mac)

[had.e.nuff]

"Morning Gary, do you want a cup of tea, pet?"

"Magnificent, love, thanks"

"I'm just going out to work love, could you walk the dog for me?"

"I'll have a right good go at that sweetie, no problem"

etc etc

and "dont be late for training Jason love"

[Rover_Shaun]

and "dont be late for training Jason love"

And don't hide your minatures under the cones

[Mani]

That does speak volumes . You would think with all the "ITK" boasters on here someone would have got something by now .

Abbey what do you want pal? Minute by minute updates? Hour by hour updates? I told you YESTERDAY that as far as the management and coaches are concerned it is business as usual...can I be any clearer on this? If so please advise how..

[Lancs Rover]

The Sun broke this story apparently from nowhere. Sky are covering the game.

Just saying...

[A cup of beans]

He doesn't normally talk midweek, he has his presser on Thursday.

While it is a bit weird that there is no after match interview on the official website, he did talk to Radio Lancashire (https://audioboom.com/boos/3493729-audio-brighton-1-onerovers-0-gary-bowyer) and Lancashire Telegraph (http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/13621001.Gary_Bowyer_rues__big_moments__as_Blackburn_Rovers__winless_start_continues/?ref=mac)

All seems to subtly suggest something problematic occurring (on Saturday).

In your opinion, and recalling past experience, if something was in the pipeline, would any snippets sneak out ? or is it most likely we only hear the bombshell breaking news after the event ?

[Kamy100]

All seems to subtly suggest something problematic occurring (on Saturday).

In your opinion, and recalling past experience, if something was in the pipeline, would any snippets sneak out ? or is it most likely we only hear the bombshell breaking news after the event ?

From what I have heard it does appear that there was some "talk" about Gary's position being under threat if we lost to Brighton, but as per what happened with Kean, Venky's (Mrs D in particular) reviewing the manager's position and her actually giving the order to sack are 2 completely different things, that is what has happened here I suspect. As for the Sun, from what Tris has said and I talking to Martin Blackburn who I know quite well, Ken Lawrence told their sports desk that there was a possibility of Gary becoming first manager to be sacked and they have taken that and turned it into he will definitely be sacked.

I go back to my point from last week, Gary is the first manager to make profit for Venky's and that will appeal to Mrs Desai as buying cheap and selling for a profit is exactly the kind of model she wants. So if he can get a win soon and push us towards mid table I cannot see her authorising a sacking, just look how loyal she was to Keanochio.

[EgyptianPete]

From what I have heard it does appear that there was some "talk" about Gary's position being under threat if we lost to Brighton, but as per what happened with Kean, Venky's (Mrs D in particular) reviewing the manager's position and her actually giving the order to sack are 2 completely different things, that is what has happened here I suspect. As for the Sun, from what Tris has said and I talking to Martin Blackburn who I know quite well, Ken Lawrence told their sports desk that there was a possibility of Gary becoming first manager to be sacked and they have taken that and turned it into he will definitely be sacked.

I go back to my point from last week, Gary is the first manager to make profit for Venky's and that will appeal to Mrs Desai as buying cheap and selling for a profit is exactly the kind of model she wants. So if he can get a win soon and push us towards mid table I cannot see her authorising a sacking, just look how loyal she was to Keanochio.

Like I said earlier another false dawn, when will it end, my thoughts are should we be losing on Friday the majority of fans will have had enough and the s---t will defo hit the fan, blowing towards Mr Bowyer I hasten to add.

[A cup of beans]

From what I have heard it does appear that there was some "talk" about Gary's position being under threat if we lost to Brighton, but as per what happened with Kean, Venky's (Mrs D in particular) reviewing the manager's position and her actually giving the order to sack are 2 completely different things, that is what has happened here I suspect. As for the Sun, from what Tris has said and I talking to Martin Blackburn who I know quite well, Ken Lawrence told their sports desk that there was a possibility of Gary becoming first manager to be sacked and they have taken that and turned it into he will definitely be sacked.

I go back to my point from last week, Gary is the first manager to make profit for Venky's and that will appeal to Mrs Desai as buying cheap and selling for a profit is exactly the kind of model she wants. So if he can get a win soon and push us towards mid table I cannot see her authorising a sacking, just look how loyal she was to Keanochio.

Thanks. A great insight. albeit the realism rather depresses me!

Agree with Pete about frustrations on Friday could turn out to be terminal for GB.

[DE.]

I go back to my point from last week, Gary is the first manager to make profit for Venky's and that will appeal to Mrs Desai as buying cheap and selling for a profit is exactly the kind of model she wants. So if he can get a win soon and push us towards mid table I cannot see her authorising a sacking, just look how loyal she was to Keanochio.

Whilst this is true, Gary making profits is pointless as long as we stay in the Championship. The only way we pay off our debts is if we go up, and it's becoming obvious Gary cannot do that. I'm hoping that as this becomes clear, his profit-making will become irrelevant and he'll get potted for a manager who may get us to the promised land.

[tomphil]

The Sun broke this story apparently from nowhere. Sky are covering the game.

Just saying...

That's a good point, I'm sure there are a few bitter people about who'd like to whip up a storm for that game. Also Bolton have had plenty of connections with Anderson etc and they are desperate for points, ya never know what's at play these days

[chor808]

Whilst this is true, Gary making profits is pointless as long as we stay in the Championship. The only way we pay off our debts is if we go up, and it's becoming obvious Gary cannot do that. I'm hoping that as this becomes clear, his profit-making will become irrelevant and he'll get potted for a manager who may get us to the promised land.

This is exactly right. Reading the story posted on the other thread makes it perfectly clear that the only way to get us out of the financial hole is promotion.

[Rover_Shaun]

She really is a cluless old hag

[Amo]

It's one thing to be told that a manager is close to being axed, to running a story that he's actually been sacked. Even for a rag like The Sun, I don't think they would've published that article unless they had good reason to believe Bowyer was potted. I also dismiss the idea that Bowyer deliberately used his ties in the media for propaganda purposes. If he wanted to do that, we would've seen a sympathetic piece eulogizing Bowyer's achievements at Rovers (FA Cup run, player profits etc.) against overwhelming odds.