[Archived] Bowyer Most Likely Not Sacked

[Gav]

Whilst this is true, Gary making profits is pointless as long as we stay in the Championship. The only way we pay off our debts is if we go up, and it's becoming obvious Gary cannot do that. I'm hoping that as this becomes clear, his profit-making will become irrelevant and he'll get potted for a manager who may get us to the promised land.

Venkys are business people, interested in the bottom line only, if Bowyer keeps finding gems like Gestede and making a decent profit he'll stick around for me.

They're on record as saying they want a young manager to bring through young players and sell for a profit, Bowyer has done that.

[RevidgeBlue]

Why does everyone keep going on about GB making the owners profits? He's delivering them c25m p.a. loss less any net revenue from player sales. Even the V's must have noticed that.

It's also a bit of a fallacy imo that he's unearthing this conveyor belt of talent. Thirty odd players in and only one, Gestede has been an outstanding success.I think it was a bit of a fluke that Fulham came in for Cairney, he had a pretty poor season last time round and the interest from them came as a complete surprise to everyone.

Two out of roughly 35? I think most of us could achieve a ratio like that.

[tomphil]

Hanley and Marshall may well go in Jan so he'll be getting the credit for that as well. Some clubs allegedly bid between 10 & 14 mill all in for Rhodes so that may be a tick in GB's column also.

[chor808]

Venkys are business people, interested in the bottom line only, if Bowyer keeps finding gems like Gestede and making a decent profit he'll stick around for me.

They're on record as saying they want a young manager to bring through young players and sell for a profit, Bowyer has done that.

This only works in the prem not the chump.

[chaddyrovers]

He doesn't normally talk midweek, he has his presser on Thursday.

While it is a bit weird that there is no after match interview on the official website, he did talk to Radio Lancashire (https://audioboom.com/boos/3493729-audio-brighton-1-onerovers-0-gary-bowyer) and Lancashire Telegraph (http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/13621001.Gary_Bowyer_rues__big_moments__as_Blackburn_Rovers__winless_start_continues/?ref=mac)

There is post match interview with Bowyer after The Brighton game on the Rovers player.

[Lancs Rover]

That's a good point, I'm sure there are a few bitter people about who'd like to whip up a storm for that game. Also Bolton have had plenty of connections with Anderson etc and they are desperate for points, ya never know what's at play these days

The media are agent provocateurs. Stir it up, sit back and watch it all happen - live on TV.

I could be wrong but like SkyBet sponsoring the championship conflicts of interest abound.

[MGAndy]

http://www.thesackrace.com/teams/blackburn-rovers

[JBiz]

Alan Irvine at 66/1 is a good bet looking at Deadly Derek's history.

[Gav]

Why does everyone keep going on about GB making the owners profits? He's delivering them c25m p.a. loss less any net revenue from player sales. Even the V's must have noticed that.

It's also a bit of a fallacy imo that he's unearthing this conveyor belt of talent. Thirty odd players in and only one, Gestede has been an outstanding success.I think it was a bit of a fluke that Fulham came in for Cairney, he had a pretty poor season last time round and the interest from them came as a complete surprise to everyone.

Two out of roughly 35? I think most of us could achieve a ratio like that.

Quite simply because thats how Venkys will see it Simon, as tomphil correctly points out he'll sell Marshall and Hanley also and then we have Rhodes.

Massive profits if this situation comes to fruition, of course they could be sold without Gary Bowyer being in charge, but I think Venkys see him as a cash cow and thats what interests them, not the league position of the football club.

The 35 player nonsense is just that, nonsense, because whilst they all need paying, shipping Best out probably pays for half of those players wages and Bowyer has cut the wage bill, or its been cut on his watch.

Be interesting to see how long he lasts, because the football isn't going to get better in my opinion, but the profits may grow.

[Rover_Shaun]

I'm struggling to see any correlation. How can profits grow when we are on course to lose another £25m+ this coming year?

I know it's on player sales but it's like me selling a phone charger on ebay but neglecting to pay my mortgage.

[DE.]

Quite simply because thats how Venkys will see it Simon, as tomphil correctly points out he'll sell Marshall and Hanley also and then we have Rhodes.

Massive profits if this situation comes to fruition, of course they could be sold without Gary Bowyer being in charge, but I think Venkys see him as a cash cow and thats what interests them, not the league position of the football club.

The 35 player nonsense is just that, nonsense, because whilst they all need paying, shipping Best out probably pays for half of those players wages and Bowyer has cut the wage bill, or its been cut on his watch.

Be interesting to see how long he lasts, because the football isn't going to get better in my opinion, but the profits may grow.

Profits on players mean nothing if your overall bottom line remains in the negative. There is no cash cow, no growing profits, no positive strategy. The only way they will ever make true profits is by getting us promoted. If Venky's cannot see that then they are absolute idiots, but judging from their tenure so far perhaps we have to accept that is indeed the case. Fortunate for them their father was seemingly a smart man. Unfortunate for us his intelligence wasn't passed on.

[T J Hooker]

And those two and possibly King are the ONLY players who would have even got near to Souness's bench last time we were promoted. And they would all be scrapping for Marcus Bent's place in the team That should be factored in.

sorry, chap, weak response.

[den]

The 35 player nonsense is just that, nonsense, because whilst they all need paying, shipping Best out probably pays for half of those players wages and Bowyer has cut the wage bill, or its been cut on his watch.

Bunkum Gav.

The 35 players don't count because Bowyer has cut the wage bill? I don't know if you read the last accounts, because the wage bill was still at £31m. That's an astonishing amount of money for a club with a turnover of just £24m, soon to drop to £16m. Someone remind me please - how many midfielders did Rev say we have?

[DE.]

13 I think it was, den.

[RevidgeBlue]

Quite simply because thats how Venkys will see it Simon, as tomphil correctly points out he'll sell Marshall and Hanley also and then we have Rhodes.

Massive profits if this situation comes to fruition, of course they could be sold without Gary Bowyer being in charge, but I think Venkys see him as a cash cow and thats what interests them, not the league position of the football club.

The 35 player nonsense is just that, nonsense, because whilst they all need paying, shipping Best out probably pays for half of those players wages and Bowyer has cut the wage bill, or its been cut on his watch.

Be interesting to see how long he lasts, because the football isn't going to get better in my opinion, but the profits may grow.

Arrggghhhh!!! It's not profit it's a 25m p.a. loss!.

I've no idea if Venky's view it in the way you describe but I disagree completely.

Firstly GB had nothing to do with the signing of Rhodes. It's like Allardyce sneakily trying to claim credit for the sale of RSC when he was here. Secondly I don't know if the remit is to turn a profit on players as opposed to obtaining results on the pitch but if it is the way to do it is unearth a Duff or a Phil Jones from the Academy and sell them for £15-£20m.

Not move in and out of the Club thirty odd players at either no profit or a loss and six or seven for relatively small profits.

[broadsword]

Lowe

petshi

The fella from Reading

The other fella from Reading

Conway

The new fella from Swansea

Williamson

Corry evans

Marshall

This young lad from Leicester

Another 3???

[DE.]

Lowe

petshi

The fella from Reading

The other fella from Reading

Conway

The new fella from Swansea

Williamson

Corry evans

Marshall

This young lad from Leicester

Another 3???

O'Sullivan & Lenihan make 12...

[Rover_Shaun]

Taylsy makes 13

[Gav]

Venkys are on record saying they want young players brought in and then sold at a profit by a young up and coming manager.

So that's straight out of the horses mouth not from the guy in the chip shop!

You can all argue all you want but that's what they've said and that's what Bowyer appears to be doing.

[chor808]

Venkys are on record saying they want young players brought in and then sold at a profit by a young up and coming manager.

So that's straight out of the horses mouth not from the guy in the chip shop!

You can all argue all you want but that's what they've said and that's what Bowyer appears to be doing.

Correct Gav but you are missing the point they are still losing shed loads of cash. That cannot be the way to run the club. If we were mid table prem with all that TV money rolling in then yes I agree we you, alas we are not.

[West Yorks Rover]

Venkys are on record saying they want young players brought in and then sold at a profit by a young up and coming manager.

So that's straight out of the horses mouth not from the guy in the chip shop!

You can all argue all you want but that's what they've said and that's what Bowyer appears to be doing.

That was 4/5 years ago wasn't it Gav ?

Let's hope they've changed their minds and realise that there's far more money to be had going for promotion.

We can only hope they employ someone like Nigel Pearson, he might just get them there, if, they are prepared splash

the cash to go out and get him.

Dreamland I know, but it's the only way to do it.

[den]

Venkys are on record saying they want young players brought in and then sold at a profit by a young up and coming manager.

So that's straight out of the horses mouth not from the guy in the chip shop!

You can all argue all you want but that's what they've said and that's what Bowyer appears to be doing.

They said champions league via £5m a transfer window and a few loans Gav. I don't think they've ever said what you suggest. It was Kean and Bowyer who have pushed the "more to success than just results" line. However, were getting off track. All this talk that Bowyer has slashed the wage bill doesn't really stack up. The owners, not Bowyer, got rid of the unwanted big earners prior to the last two or three months when he's lost Gestede and Cairney. Still - he's continued to buy players like there's no tomorrow, even though the (club) wage bill is way, way too high.

[thenodrog]

He doesn't normally talk midweek, he has his presser on Thursday.

While it is a bit weird that there is no after match interview on the official website, he did talk to Radio Lancashire (https://audioboom.com/boos/3493729-audio-brighton-1-onerovers-0-gary-bowyer) and Lancashire Telegraph (http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/13621001.Gary_Bowyer_rues__big_moments__as_Blackburn_Rovers__winless_start_continues/?ref=mac)

No logic to this but I bloody hate that terminology.

[Gav]

Correct Gav but you are missing the point they are still losing shed loads of cash. That cannot be the way to run the club. If we were mid table prem with all that TV money rolling in then yes I agree we you, alas we are not.

I'm not missing the point at all, we all know they're losing money hand over fist, someone suggested the other day that they're that rich they don't care. If that's the case then Bowyers doing a great job in Venkys eyes and that's where in coming from.

[broadsword]

Even if they're so rich they don't care about losses, it doesn't make any sense. Why would they care about the manager turning a piddly profit on players, then?

Surely if they were that loaded, they'd be focusing on promotion.