[Archived] Bowyer Most Likely Not Sacked

[chor808]

I'm not missing the point at all, we all know they're losing money hand over fist, someone suggested the other day that they're that rich they don't care. If that's the case then Bowyers doing a great job in Venkys eyes and that's where in coming from.

Gav please read carefully what you just typed. If they are rich and they don't care why the heck would they bother about 'profits' on players? I think that was their plan (if they really had one) but it was all based on premier income not where we are now.

[thenodrog]

Whilst this is true, Gary making profits is pointless as long as we stay in the Championship. The only way we pay off our debts is if we go up, and it's becoming obvious Gary cannot do that. I'm hoping that as this becomes clear, his profit-making will become irrelevant and he'll get potted for a manager who may get us to the promised land.

Ever thought that if you were venkys maybe you might well view being in the Prem as the CAUSE of our debt.

[Rover_Shaun]

We know what Gav is saying they want. Nobody can see the logic in it

Ever thought that if you were venkys maybe you might well view being in the Prem as the CAUSE of our debt.

You have a well paid and secure job. You take out a big mortgage based on it. You get run over a lose your job due to the injuries. Your house is reposessed.

What is the cause of your house being reposesed? I'd say it was the accident but in Venky land it's......?

Surely Venkies aren't that dumb Gordon?

[Gav]

Gav please read carefully what you just typed. If they are rich and they don't care why the heck would they bother about 'profits' on players? I think that was their plan (if they really had one) but it was all based on premier income not where we are now.

A manager in Venky world is judged on bringing in players and selling them for a profit, how many times do I have to say the same thing?

ignore the wage bill, ignore the hot dog sales, ignore the cost of a new pitch, they're interested in players being brought in and sold on for a profit by the manager.

They're probably interested in lots of other things to, but they're on record with the above statement, its in print, fact.

Lets see how long Bowyer lasts, that will be the real test because I don't see the football improving.

[RevidgeBlue]

A manager in Venky world is judged on bringing in players and selling them for a profit, how many times do I have to say the same thing?

ignore the wage bill, ignore the hot dog sales, ignore the cost of a new pitch, they're interested in players being brought in and sold on for a profit by the manager.

They're probably interested in lots of other things to, but they're on record with the above statement, its in print, fact.

Lets see how long Bowyer lasts, that will be the real test because I don't see the football improving.

Have you got a link to the article where they said that Gav?

Genuine question because like den I don't honestly remember them ever saying that. I seem to recall Mrs. D. saying the previous transfer policy wasn't working and that things had to change by which I took it that we needed to start signing younger players with some sort of resale value rather than continue to be tied in to a never ending round of obligatory contract extensions to players in their 30's like Nelsen, Roberts and Salgado.

I don't recall them ever saying the idea was to sell players on at a profit per se, although I could be wrong.

[broadsword]

What I think is a more pertinent point is, after getting rid of so many leeches, how are we STILL managing to spend so much money on wages.

It's just unspeakably incomprehensibly crackers. What the hell is going on there?

[The Rover of Finland]

http://www.thesackrace.com/teams/blackburn-rovers

Paul Ince, wow.

[mustard]

Ever thought that if you were venkys maybe you might well view being in the Prem as the CAUSE of our debt.

You'd think they'd have sussed a promotion to the Premier League and subsequent relegation back to the Championship would raise millions.

[tomphil]

Venkys are said to be looking at being here long term so the fact they might think someone like Bowyer can keep repeating the Rudy/Cairney scenario will make them happy. Over the long term it will bring in a lot of money towards running the show and eventually cost them less, maybe even turn in profits. Of course it won't work like that but we know how daft they are, they probably see a mini Southampton style thing going on here that eventually over ten years or so will bring back a load of money on their investment.

[Baz]

What I think is a more pertinent point is, after getting rid of so many leeches, how are we STILL managing to spend so much money on wages.

It's just unspeakably incomprehensibly crackers. What the hell is going on there?

Pay-offs

Signing on fees

Still paying money we can't afford

Agent fees

Running a 1st team squad of c. 30 players

[den]

What I think is a more pertinent point is, after getting rid of so many leeches, how are we STILL managing to spend so much money on wages.

It's just unspeakably incomprehensibly crackers. What the hell is going on there?

Ear ear.

Beats me how were apparently close to coming out of embargo.

[chor808]

A manager in Venky world is judged on bringing in players and selling them for a profit, how many times do I have to say the same thing?

ignore the wage bill, ignore the hot dog sales, ignore the cost of a new pitch, they're interested in players being brought in and sold on for a profit by the manager.

They're probably interested in lots of other things to, but they're on record with the above statement, its in print, fact.

Lets see how long Bowyer lasts, that will be the real test because I don't see the football improving.

So what you are saying Gav is that they are thick

[martonrover]

Venkys are said to be looking at being here long term so the fact they might think someone like Bowyer can keep repeating the Rudy/Cairney scenario will make them happy. Over the long term it will bring in a lot of money towards running the show and eventually cost them less, maybe even turn in profits. Of course it won't work like that but we know how daft they are, they probably see a mini Southampton style thing going on here that eventually over ten years or so will bring back a load of money on their investment.

You're quite right, it won't work like that with the likes of Shaw (do Venky's give him authority to make any decision?) and Bowyer at the helm.

The only way is down, lower attendances and more and more problems.

[Gav]

Just said on the BBC the Shrewbury haven't won a league game all season, Mr Bowyer that defeat in the cup was an absolute disgrace, you should hold your head in shame.

[onlyonejackwalker]

What I think is a more pertinent point is, after getting rid of so many leeches, how are we STILL managing to spend so much money on wages.

It's just unspeakably incomprehensibly crackers. What the hell is going on there?

Exactly. People keep trotting out Bowyer's had no money. Free signings and cast offs. Then we find out how just much we are paying these folk and the mind boggles. You quickly realise there's nothing free about any of them.

And yes Shrewsbury was a disgrace. Just like Bowyer's previous attempts. Which were somehow glossed over as irrelevant and beneficial to our promotion push.

[West Yorks Rover]

Exactly. People keep trotting out Bowyer's had no money. Free signings and cast offs. Then we find out how just much we are paying these folk and the mind boggles. You quickly realise there's nothing free about any of them.

And yes Shrewsbury was a disgrace. Just like Bowyer's previous attempts. Which were somehow glossed over as irrelevant and beneficial to our promotion push.

Yeah but he's a nice bloke and we're meant to feel sorry for him.

How people know he's such a nice bloke, I don't know, because as far as I'm aware, nobody on this MB has worked with him

or lived with him, he could be a right dodgy geezer for all I know.

[Gav]

Yeah but he's a nice bloke and we're meant to feel sorry for him.

How people know he's such a nice bloke, I don't know, because as far as I'm aware, nobody on this MB has worked with him

or lived with him, he could be a right dodgy geezer for all I know.

Far more people are calling him a t0sser with respect, how do they know that? they don't, but it doesn't stop them making up stuff about him trousering transfer fees, freezing out players etc.

I just wish he'd take us on a 25 game unbeaten run and we can all hail him as the greatest thing since slice bread.

[tomphil]

Just said on the BBC the Shrewbury haven't won a league game all season, Mr Bowyer that defeat in the cup was an absolute disgrace, you should hold your head in shame.

So should a lot of the players from that game as well. They were useless and so was he on the touchline, he should have tore them a new one for that. Very very much doubt he said anything more than unlucky lads but you must do better.

[Mani]

Venkys are business people, interested in the bottom line only, if Bowyer keeps finding gems like Gestede and making a decent profit he'll stick around for me.

They're on record as saying they want a young manager to bring through young players and sell for a profit, Bowyer has done that.

Just to clarify, as far as I'm aware there has never been any insistence from Venkys to raise ANY money. In fact, they have never seemed unhappy to sign off cheques at will!!!

FFP changed this as firstly, they were prevented from blindly funding. The decision to create value in the squad, specifically to sell for profit was made by the current management and directors some time ago. Theory being that it was likely the only way to claw the clubs way out of FFP WHEN the ban hit..(yes, a plan)

So the fact that the plan has worked (which is no easy feit in the current market) has bought some browny points from Venkys. The thought of being Rovers with with an ageing squad incapable selling anyone to raise funds is even more sobering to me as we would be helpless right now...yet more evidence why they (the management) deserve some respect from the fans IMO and proof of the difficulty of the task.

The problem is last season. Because results were simply not good enough with that squad. Whilst I AM in favour of a new manager based almost solely on last season, I will not join in the hysteria and vitriol surrounding Gaz's tenure because I believe that they've done a good job overall and are undeserving of the abuse.

[Baz]

Just to clarify, as far as I'm aware there has never been any insistence from Venkys to raise ANY money. In fact, they have never seemed unhappy to sign off cheques at will!!!

FFP changed this as firstly, they were prevented from blindly funding. The decision to create value in the squad, specifically to sell for profit was made by the current management and directors some time ago. Theory being that it was likely the only way to claw the clubs way out of FFP WHEN the ban hit..(yes, a plan)

So the fact that the plan has worked (which is no easy feit in the current market) has bought some browny points from Venkys. The thought of being Rovers with with an ageing squad incapable selling anyone to raise funds is even more sobering to me as we would be helpless right now...yet more evidence why they (the management) deserve some respect from the fans IMO and proof of the difficulty of the task.

The problem is last season. Because results were simply not good enough with that squad. Whilst I AM in favour of a new manager based almost solely on last season, I will not join in the hysteria and vitriol surrounding Gaz's tenure because I believe that they've done a good job overall and are undeserving of the abuse.

The "plan" is stupid, if it is deemed to have worked.

Look at the squad, the league table and the balance sheet.

[47er]

Have you got a link to the article where they said that Gav?

Genuine question because like den I don't honestly remember them ever saying that. I seem to recall Mrs. D. saying the previous transfer policy wasn't working and that things had to change by which I took it that we needed to start signing younger players with some sort of resale value rather than continue to be tied in to a never ending round of obligatory contract extensions to players in their 30's like Nelsen, Roberts and Salgado.

I don't recall them ever saying the idea was to sell players on at a profit per se, although I could be wrong.

I don't know if they said that or not but its implicit in everything they do. However, GB clearly listed it as the vital feature of his job.

Some months ago now but attracted many comments on here, and plenty from me!

[Rover_Shaun]

And apart from Rudy who else will attract a whopping fee? There is no queue round the block

[Damien]

Yeah but he's a nice bloke and we're meant to feel sorry for him.

How people know he's such a nice bloke, I don't know, because as far as I'm aware, nobody on this MB has worked with him

or lived with him, he could be a right dodgy geezer for all I know.

My cousin sponsors a few games at Rovers and he sponsored the Liverpool match last year.

As part of the deal you go out into the pitch and get your picture taken and you shake a few hands.

Whilst walking off the pitch he passed Gary bowyer and said "anyway good luck today pal!"

And Gary turn around and said "what do you mean by that, What do you mean anyway?"

So my cousin replied "it's just a turn of phrase, I just meant good luck today!"

At this point Gary got more aggressive and said "no, tell me what you meant by anyway?!"

Cannot tell the story properly on here but this went on for a few minutes...

The gist of the story is that GB was a real cock to my cousin who sponsors many games down at Ewood and was just passing on his wishes.

He lives in brockhall near Dunny and from what Dunny says GB is not a 'nice guy' at all.

Edit I meant my cousin lives in brockhall

[Rover_Shaun]

anyway thanks for that

"anyway" does infer that you don't agree with whatever the person you are speaking to has said.

I'm not sure where the "he's a nice guy" comes from. Obviously the bare minimum is politeness when doing your job. It doesn't mean someone isn't a grade 1 belltop.

I always got the impression he could be a bit of an arrogant, prickly and sarcastic person just from his demeanour and tone in press conferences and interviews. But that doesn't mean he really is. Just like shaking hands and smiling doesn't mean he's nice.

It doesn't matter if his part time hobby is helping grannies cross the road or skinning pet cats as long as he adroit at his job and gets results.

[martonrover]

My cousin sponsors a few games at Rovers and he sponsored the Liverpool match last year.

As part of the deal you go out into the pitch and get your picture taken and you shake a few hands.

Whilst walking off the pitch he passed Gary bowyer and said "anyway good luck today pal!"

And Gary turn around and said "what do you mean by that, What do you mean anyway?"

So my cousin replied "it's just a turn of phrase, I just meant good luck today!"

At this point Gary got more aggressive and said "no, tell me what you meant by anyway?!"

Cannot tell the story properly on here but this went on for a few minutes...

The gist of the story is that GB was a real cock to my cousin who sponsors many games down at Ewood and was just passing on his wishes.

He lives in brockhall near Dunny and from what Dunny says GB is not a 'nice guy' at all.

Edit I meant my cousin lives in brockhall

Very interesting and that would fit with the digs he's made at supporters in postmatch interviews.

Sounds like he's a touch paranoid.

As Shaun says, it doesn't really matter if he's a nice bloke or not, but it's annoying when folk who don't know him from Adam proclaim that he is.