[Archived] Bowyer Most Likely Not Sacked

[roverandout]

he said the same thing to me.

I have never said that but yet again he just makes these claims without any evidence

Sorry but the words pot, kettle, black spring to mind

[ABBEY]

exactly what I said but we are all wrong Ben according to the Abbey.

But they were deffo Gary Bowyer barmy army last night whether Abbey agree or not

JHC!!!!

READ THIS POST SLOWLY !!!!

THE CHANT STARTED NEAR US AS UNCLE JACK .I HEARD NO BOWYER ,IM NOT SAYING THERE WASNT ANY RETARDS CHANTING FOR HIM,THERE WAS NONE NEAR US AND I HEARD NONE,ZILCH.BUT NO WAY DID DE HEAR GARY BOWYER.

LIKE HAS BEEN ASKED WHICH DID YOU SING.

BLIMY

[yoda]

Kamy, do you know whether he had talks with Venkys current advisor who is at the club held talks with Bowyer since the Bolton game?

also what has change from last night to today about his performance?

thanks in advance Kamy

Tom, Me, Mike and Ben has all said that fans where Gary Bowyer Blue and White army/barmy army.

The owners have a decision to make whether they either back him or sack him. the owners have to release a statement either way

No they don't, they do what they want

[A cup of beans]

exactly what I said but we are all wrong Ben according to the Abbey.

But they were deffo Gary Bowyer barmy army last night whether Abbey agree or not

I'm gonna be pedantic, it's never been "Bowyers barmy army"

"Blue and white army"...?

Yes???

People of whatever opinion or bias, can defend their points,

But I find the depths they'll go to, just to prove a point or save face, getting more and more bizzare.

[broadsword]

It was uncle bowyer's bluermy army

[A cup of beans]

It was uncle bowyer's bluermy army

Haha!

[Amo]

Who in the pluperfect hell gives a damn?

[AdamRochina]

JHC!!!!

READ THIS POST SLOWLY !!!!

THE CHANT STARTED NEAR US AS UNCLE JACK .I HEARD NO BOWYER ,IM NOT SAYING THERE WASNT ANY RETARDS CHANTING FOR HIM,THERE WAS NONE NEAR US AND I HEARD NONE,ZILCH.BUT NO WAY DID DE HEAR GARY BOWYER.

LIKE HAS BEEN ASKED WHICH DID YOU SING.

BLIMY

Could we not use the word retard please mate

[Stuart]

Who in the pluperfect hell gives a damn?

It's significant I guess because it's symbolic. During the game I posted that fans were singing Jack Walker and his blue and white army.

For me that song is reserved for the manager and shows that the fans are behind him. Deliberately using the "manager song" and not singing Bowyer's name is pretty damning.

It's pretty much been shown on here and Fb that there is still a defiant minority of people who will not only cheer Bowyer but will slate those who don't.

Yes, we are there. Another divided fan base. Usually when it gets to that point the board acts by replacing the manager, simultaneously restoring unity and improving the team's fortunes.

At Rovers under Venkys, however...

[Roverall]

JHC!!!!

READ THIS POST SLOWLY !!!!

THE CHANT STARTED NEAR US AS UNCLE JACK .I HEARD NO BOWYER ,IM NOT SAYING THERE WASNT ANY RETARDS CHANTING FOR HIM,THERE WAS NONE NEAR US AND I HEARD NONE,ZILCH.BUT NO WAY DID DE HEAR GARY BOWYER.

LIKE HAS BEEN ASKED WHICH DID YOU SING.

BLIMY

Shouldn't you be drunk in the chippy after eight cans of Carling, screaming Venkyscum Out at the girl preparing your chip butty?

[ABBEY]

dont drink anymore..next

[Roverall]

dont drink anymore..next

Fair enough mate!

[JAL]

Be careful what you wish for.

Are you saying that the people running the club don't have the best intentions for the club and its supporters theno.

Kamy, do you know whether he had talks with Venkys current advisor who is at the club held talks with Bowyer since the Bolton game?

So who is Venkys current advisor chaddy

[mustard]

It's maybe a shock to you but I predicted this 5 years back. Hence I'm prepared.

Re: GB Up until this season he has had us in the top third of the table with a poor(ish) squad. Sure we haven't been promoted but he isn't alone there is he? What he has done is not done badly enough to be sacked.

We can't attract top quality players cos of the embargo and he has been working under adverse conditions in having to reduce the wage bill. However if we are in the bottom 3 by the end of Nov then it will prob be time for a move.

RE: the first point you made, yes we know you predicted our fall 5 years ago. So you keep reminding us. However, it's not wrong for the fans to want better and I do worry you've lost the fight in you, Gord. You seem rather content with the situation at Rovers at the minute, particularly with your prophecy of doom appearing to be coming to pass. I hope you're not too pleased when(if) we are relegated but should we appoint a better manager who in turn changes our fortunes, I'd hope you enjoy the humble pie.

RE: your views on Bowyer. What I don't understand is how you can still be in favour of keeping Bowyer, despite him assembling this 'poor(ish)' squad you speak of. Most agree he is lacking tactically and most of his supporters cite his good dealings in the transfer market as a reason to keep him. The man spent around £4mill players prior to the embargo and inherited some decent players incl some with Prem experience. We all knew FFP was coming and so did Bowyer, so I don't think the excuse holds weight, especially since he's been lacking in a lot of areas for some time.

A wacky notion here, but maybe the squad is in fact much better than you (and many others) think it is and much better than they have showed over the last couple of years? Last season, I do feel we under-performed and Bowyer's glaring faults held us back, hence why we need a change. Looking at our squad:

Steele, former England u21 international.

Henley, Wales international.

Duffy, ROI.

Hanley, Scotland.

Olsson, capped by Sweden.

Lowe, former England u21.

Evans, Northern Ireland.

Conway, capped by Scotland.

Marshall, former England u21.

Rhodes, capped by Scotland.

Kilgallon, former England u21.

New signing Akpan is a current Nigerian international and Koita was capped for France u21s.

Last season we had King (Norway), Dunn (ex-England), Cairney (former Scotland u21) and Gestede (Benin). The likes of Brown, Kilgallon and Guthrie have also played Prem football, as have plenty others who've been at Ewood under Bowyer's tenure. I'm sure there are a good few youth internationals at u21 and u18 level who haven't had a look-in either.

The likes of Evans and Duffy, fully fledged internationals who haven't truly found their feet here under Bowyer, with the former being utterly hopeless for the last year and a bit, despite being impressive in his time at Hull. King and Dunn were never played, players such as Cairney stuffed out of position, our captain Hanley looked to have lost his way last season and, despite an improvement this term, our defence is still pretty tosh as a unit. Lowe has been getting worse lately and looks lacking in confidence. Marshall, again a player who looks lost.

Whilst Conway's superb crossing ensured Gestede got a great goal tally, the strikers tended to grab goals from nowhere, despite the rest of the team often being outplayed. 21 goals is arguably a poor return for JR. We've got plenty of players who have done it at Champ level and even above, with a good few being part of promotion-winning sides. I think there is a damning argument that the squad has talent but Bowyer and his coaching staff are holding them back.

Perhaps the team is better than it's showing, particularly last year. In this case, it's all down to Bowyer and his management/tactics. On the other hand, perhaps you're right and the squad is poor, but then shouldn't GB receive the flak for that?

[USABlue]

I keep popping in hoping to see a Bowyer gone thread. Perhaps tbe Sundays have some more false hope.

I was in the keep him cos I was scared of what Venkies might do next camp. However last might was so poor in my eyes(even the wife commented on how bad we were) that i am more than ready to see if they can fix it.

Oh and RESPECT to those still showing up at games, paying their money and supporting the club. Proper fans I think

[A cup of beans]

You're still a proper fan, USA.

It hurts you just as it does anybody else.

I'd rather this season hadn't started.

The best Summer ever... nyc and Louisianna..

Returning to the winter of discontent, Ewood Park, Blackburn, Lancashire

[Mani]

I didn't buy the act at all. Gary looking all chipper and relaxed. In fact to me he looked a little wired in those interviews!

It was also obvious that Robbo and Holloway had been briefed to concentrate on the positives though there were very few.

It all said to me that he's under a lot of pressure which he was trying to take off the players etc.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

We all keep stressing about it don't we,the need for change when clearly matters are going badly wrong.We can all clearly see the club is spiralling to Div 1.

Page after page of angst,day after day,week after week,supporters clearly concerned and very worried.

There is one big problem here,until our so-called owners wake up and FINALLY begin to run our club in a responsible matter and take full control of the situation (or sell up and ship out) NOTHING at Ewood Park will change for the better.

We just continue to go around and around like a Dog chasing its tail,a club in total limbo whilst it's owners are nowhere to be seen or heard.

As you were folks..just don those Tin Hats and duck for cover this season!

[MGAndy]

Sat in the BBE lower middleish

Second half the chant was 100% Uncle Jacks Blue & White Army.

No question and I didnt hear anyone mention Bowyer.

I remember thinking... Is this dissent towards Bowyer? Normally this chant is reserved for the manager... But 100% it was Uncle Jacks for a good few minutes.

Other observations I made :-

First half it was mostly silent and devoid of any chanting from ALL parts of the ground. No doubt due the poor quality fare on offer.

There was no anti Bowyer chanting at any time.

There was no booing that I heard.

There were no protest banners, no chickens or human protesters on the pitch.

In fact the only enthusiastic chanting I recall throughout the game was the Uncle Jacks blue and white army.

At one point the lad sat next to me said he could see signs of improvement and hope.

I turned to him and suggested perhaps that was more the appalling standard of opposition, one of 2 teams worse than us.

He thought for a second and agreed.

So I concluded that all the posters on here who continually talk of protest and bowyer etc out protested by staying away.

For the record I think bowyer needs to be replaced quickly.

[Pedro]

I watched the game via a pub in the Med - no sound on so I can't contribute to the chanting argument, not that it's a big deal. What I can say, away from the toothless and aimless play, nothing had changed. Same old tinkering. Same old performance.

All this Bowyer looked relaxed and happy isn't accurate though. He looked pale and frazzled. I've suffered very badly from stress in my life and you can put on a smile to hide it best you can but your eyes always tell the real story. He looked very worried and for some, voicing concern is as good as admitting defeat.

[Neil Weaver]

I was in the keep him cos I was scared of what Venkies might do next camp. However last might was so poor in my eyes(even the wife commented on how bad we were) that i am more than ready to see if they can fix it.

Think I'm in the same camp, USA. The long ball tactic has worked till this season cos there has been Rudy to win it. But it's still our only tactic and now there's no one to win it : so whilst it was never exactly subtle at least it was a reasonable way of playing. Thing is it's still pretty much our only 'tactic' even though we don't have forwards who can play that way.

I've never advocated getting rid of Bowyer - and still don't, I hope against hope he can turn things round - but put me firmly into the 'ambivalent' camp. We can do a whole lot worse than Bowyer (and I fear Venky's will prove this) but I'm increasingly of a mind that change is needed.

[ABBEY]

we can do a lot worse but we can do a hell of a lot better.

[Damien]

Thing is abbey, we could do worse. You are right but all managers (Ferguson excluded) have a half life of how they get teams to perform.

It appears that Bowyer is on a downwards curve now and results are not going to improve enough to please the fans.

While I agree we probably won't be relegated with him in charge, I also think we would do a lot better with a more forward thinking manager.

I really do not see how he is planning each game. It's the same tactics and same setup every time.

There does not appear to be any specific instructions relating to the opposition approach, threats or specific players!

Watching other managers shows you how they consider their opponents style of play and look to nullify it... I may be wrong here but does GB do this?

In my mind no!

[yoda]

Thing is abbey, we could do worse. You are right but all managers (Ferguson excluded) have a half life of how they get teams to perform.

It appears that Bowyer is on a downwards curve now and results are not going to improve enough to please the fans.

While I agree we probably won't be relegated with him in charge, I also think we would do a lot better with a more forward thinking manager.

I really do not see how he is planning each game. It's the same tactics and same setup every time.

There does not appear to be any specific instructions relating to the opposition approach, threats or specific players!

Watching other managers shows you how they consider their opponents style of play and look to nullify it... I may be wrong here but does GB do this?

In my mind no!

I keep saying it,

Tactics,

we don't have anything effective

[Athlete]

I keep saying it,

Tactics,

we don't have anything effective

I really can't see where we are going to start picking up wins and we'll definitely be bottom three before our next home game.. A change has to be made