[Archived] New Manager?

[JHRover]

A club of our standing will always attract decent candidates to be manager.

Our recent history, club size and facilities would stand out to people. We aren't a small club and have a training complex and stadium to rival anything outside the Premier League. Unemployed managers, like Pearson or Lambert, are unlikely to get Premier League offers any time soon and will have to make a decision on whether to drop into the Championship to rebuild.

There are 44 jobs in the top 2 divisions. Rovers are probably in the top 30 clubs at this moment in time. If a manager wants to get back in then a club like Rovers might be the best and biggest club they can get. Managers jobs are like gold-dust. We still have a good squad. We saw today that despite only performing for 45 minutes that we are at least as good as Fulham who have spent millions this summer.

The problem is the structure in place. Someone like Pearson would want assurances over being able to bring in his own staff, making signings and working within a proper footballing structure. Now Venkys appear to allow their managers freedom to sign who they want and appoint whatever staff they want, but maybe not work within a conventional structure and timescales.

Beyond that this club has a track record of turning its nose up at the best qualified canditates available and going instead on some unproven gamble. This isnt just Venkys with their 4 managerial appointments, it also happened previously under John Williams. When Hughes walked out we could have had Laudrup, Allardyce or Advocaat and went for Ince. Its a mentality about the club that it is our duty to give an opportunity to a younger manager rather than just go out and appoint a tried and tested manager like almost everyone else does.

If Bowyer does go then it won't be in the near future. I would expect him to get another 5 games or so at least. The international break was a golden opportunity to make a change if there was one planned or any sort of consideration of it. The fact they sat back for 16 days and left Bowyer in place suggests they have no concerns. Now the games are coming thick and fast again there is more urgency to make quick decisions.

We'll wait until 2-3 rivals sack their managers and the likes of Pearson/Poyet/Lambert get snapped up. Then the argument will be that there are no proven candidates available and we'll have to take a punt on Gareth Ainsworth (after one near promotion from the 4th division) or Dunny (on the basis of half a dozen games as Oldham player manager) or Matt Jansen (on the basis of 6 months managing Chorley), rather than going out and getting someone who knows what it takes to be successful at this level at a bigger club.

[Iceman]

This needs a bump. I would say Bowyer, if we get anything less than a victory on Weds, is a goner. Maybe wishful thinking but seven games without a win and Venkys will pull the trigger I think.

Personally I think Kean would be a nightmare. He'd walk out within two months with our setup.

Not sure who realistically we can get?

We are in such a difficult position right now. We need that win on Wednesday, but win that, and we save Bowyer from the sack AGAIN.

[AllRoverAsia]

Roy Keane should have come to Ewood some 30 years ago as a player after giving his word to Jack Walker that he would sign. He reneged on that and went to Manchester UTD. He is not a honourable man and as such the club should have nothing to do with him.

A guy with a big red nose gave him a brown paper bag stuffed full with something. They were playing snooker. I don't think red nose was Santa.

Or so the fable goes.

This needs a bump. I would say Bowyer, if we get anything less than a victory on Weds, is a goner. Maybe wishful thinking but seven games without a win and Venkys will pull the trigger I think.

Personally I think Kean would be a nightmare. He'd walk out within two months with our setup.

Not sure who realistically we can get?

Keep him away - him mixing with Blackburn taxi drivers! all hell would break loose.

[Iceman]

We just need a bloody manager, that will admit defeat and will admit if we were poor and kick the lads up the ass to put things right. we also need a manager that wont refer to the players like Marshy, and Lowey, and Willo etc... no buddy buddy crap like what Bowyer does with the players. Souness or even stupid Roy Keane would do right now, and thats me being desperate esp with Roy Keane

[andyroversmad]

The players need a kick up the arse they have got it easy with Gaz. I think Pearson would be the best bet, his got promotion on his CV and would demand an improvement from the players.

[mhead]

To me the fixtures all the way to Christmas are difficult. That is why we need 4 points this week.

[Athlete]

To me the fixtures all the way to Christmas are difficult. That is why we need 4 points this week.

Even if we did we still need shut of this cretin

Warnock wouldn't be popular but he'd get this club up his promotion CV is 2nd to none my next choice would be Pearson

[davulsukur]

Pearson is the standout available manager.

Venkys should be dropping to their knees,mouth open and hands cupped in order to do whatever it takes to get him here.

[AllRoverAsia]

Pearson is the standout available manager.

Venkys should be dropping to their knees,mouth open and hands cupped in order to do whatever it takes to get him here.

Maybe Pearson Junior would go for that sort of approach too.

[JHRover]

When we took the ludicrous decision to sack Sam Allardyce in 2010 for a short while I pinned my hopes on some sort of plan to attract some top notch foreign head coach like a Benitez or someone similar who would work under a more continental style setup, exploit the foreign market, and who could actually take us to the next level. Just for a few days I genuinely hoped that there would be some sort of plan in place that whilst not universally popular would at least make sense as the new regime looked to implant a new way of working after they had bought the club. We've seen it time after time where new owners come in and make a change to bring in their own manager with a view to going in a different direct

It very quickly became apparent that we wouldn't be getting a well known head coach, and that the job was for Kean to lose.

Throughout Kean's horrendous mismanagement of BRFC I continued to pin my hopes on him being replaced by a proven manager who would lead the club to Premier League safety. I continued to yearn for a Martin O'Neill type manager who would arrive, galvanise the club, and make up for lost time under Kean. I continued to hope that sooner or later Venkys would hold their hands up, accept Kean wasn't up to it, and make a change. No such change occurred, and to this day I genuinely believe that had Kean not taken the decision to resign after Shebby Singh's interference that he would still be in charge to this day. Kean timed his exit to perfection as he knew he had ruined the club and that once out of the Premier League anything other than promotion would significantly harm his CV even further. He did the right thing for himself in abandoning ship after 2 years, moving abroad whilst the dust settled, whilst blaming his disastrous tenure on Venkys/Singh. In that respect I am almost grateful to Singh, because had he not arrived in 2012 then who knows where we would have gone if Kean had been left in control. I know I wouldn't be following the team up and down the country if he was still here.

Now we're facing similar circumstances to Kean. That's the only comparison I am willing to draw with Bowyer. The owners will not sack him. We've seen it all before in 2011-12 with rumour and speculation week after week. False stories of sackings in the press. Supposed 'reviews' of the managers position. Supposed individuals within the Venkys organisation pushing for a change whilst Desai refuses to act or gives him a few more games.

I don't expect Bowyer to resign, and quite honestly wouldn't expect him to. At least not for some time yet. Why should he? We've had a bad start, but any manager would say 6 games is too soon, we're only a win away from mid-table, or as shown yesterday the players are clearly responding to him. No manager in world football would resign at this juncture and walk out on a contract. Notice Mourinho isn't throwing in the towel after Chelsea's woeful start. The only way it might happen is if the players had turned on him or he was deeply unhappy at the club, and neither appear to be the case.

The only way a change should come about is through the owners taking decisive action. I would say that failure to win either of our next two games and that time has come. Whilst I don't agree with rushed decisions 0 wins from 9 in league and cup is highly alarming and I would support a change.

It shouldn't matter what the fans think, or what is happening in the stands, or whether the owners think the fans are happy with the situation or not. All that should matter is our results and league position and the fact that relegation to the third division could be the end for this club. That is all the owners should be concerned about. As a Championship club their investment can be salvaged by having one good season and getting promoted. In the 3rd division their investment has gone for the foreseeable future. Everything should be done to ensure at the very least survival is achieved.

This squad is good enough to be well clear of trouble. The embargo is an excuse. Yesterday we started with 2 players recruited under the embargo in Nathan Delfouneso and Danny Guthrie, the latter described by the manager as Premier League quality when he signed this summer. The rest have all been regulars in top 8 squads these last 2 seasons. Any confident manager would look at this squad and see potential to build on once out of the embargo.

But lets make no mistake. If Bowyer does go then we won't get a Pearson or Lambert here. Not because we couldn't attract them, because they would both come here, but because we would look to go down the unproven and cheap route again. Step forward Craig Short. The 'most powerful' individual on the ground at Ewood is Derek Shaw, the man who has no idea when our embargo is going to be lifted and who has no involvement in major decision making at the club. His sole remit appears to be cutting costs, and he is judged purely on that, so he isn't going to recommend pay offs and lucrative contracts to successful new managers.

Pearson will end up somewhere like Fulham or Leeds when they need new managers and we'll end up on phase 5 of the promoting an inexperienced man into the role.

[1arC]

Good post JH Rover. Someone somehow needs to get hold of the owners and get it across to them that appointing another novice will indeed mean a highly likely relegation and as you have stated, possibly the death of the club. I agree that Pearson would come and I also believe that he would do a good job. The way I see things a the minute, is the players are getting far too much of an easy ride. I am convinced that the players are not fit enough, or aggressive enough and firmly believe each and every one of them can give another 20%. This is down to the manager being their mate and not commanding the respect that he should have. I would suggest that Pearson would have them fitter and more aggressive, in no time and turn it around.

The longer we plod along, the more likely, we are to be in danger of being relegated. without getting too carried away, a good appointment now and this season may still turn into a good one.

[AllRoverAsia]

We need a Manager who gives open and brutally honest post match interviews. Someone like this:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34240004

He makes no big feature about bossing the game for 70 minutes.

[OJRovers]

Warburton has won every game at Rangers. He'll be getting paid less than Bowyer. Shame.

[onlyonejackwalker]

We need a Manager who gives open and brutally honest post match interviews. Someone like this:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34240004

He makes no big feature about bossing the game for 70 minutes.

Sherwood looked pig sick In this interview. Refreshing to see a manager as upset as the fans after a poor result. No mention of a right good go, or doing ever so well. The reporter gave him chance to latch onto the positives of being 2-0 up and a young players performance, but Sherwood doesn't need that to boost his ego nor bolster his position and remained very frank about conceding three and poor play later in the game.

[Mike Graham]

And to think we could probably have bagged Sherwood in the last couple of years. Mind you I would take Warburton as quick as I could eat a bread roll.

[Gav]

When we took the ludicrous decision to sack Sam Allardyce in 2010 for a short while I pinned my hopes on some sort of plan to attract some top notch foreign head coach like a Benitez or someone similar who would work under a more continental style setup, exploit the foreign market, and who could actually take us to the next level. Just for a few days I genuinely hoped that there would be some sort of plan in place that whilst not universally popular would at least make sense as the new regime looked to implant a new way of working after they had bought the club. We've seen it time after time where new owners come in and make a change to bring in their own manager with a view to going in a different direct

It very quickly became apparent that we wouldn't be getting a well known head coach, and that the job was for Kean to lose.

Throughout Kean's horrendous mismanagement of BRFC I continued to pin my hopes on him being replaced by a proven manager who would lead the club to Premier League safety. I continued to yearn for a Martin O'Neill type manager who would arrive, galvanise the club, and make up for lost time under Kean. I continued to hope that sooner or later Venkys would hold their hands up, accept Kean wasn't up to it, and make a change. No such change occurred, and to this day I genuinely believe that had Kean not taken the decision to resign after Shebby Singh's interference that he would still be in charge to this day. Kean timed his exit to perfection as he knew he had ruined the club and that once out of the Premier League anything other than promotion would significantly harm his CV even further. He did the right thing for himself in abandoning ship after 2 years, moving abroad whilst the dust settled, whilst blaming his disastrous tenure on Venkys/Singh. In that respect I am almost grateful to Singh, because had he not arrived in 2012 then who knows where we would have gone if Kean had been left in control. I know I wouldn't be following the team up and down the country if he was still here.

Now we're facing similar circumstances to Kean. That's the only comparison I am willing to draw with Bowyer. The owners will not sack him. We've seen it all before in 2011-12 with rumour and speculation week after week. False stories of sackings in the press. Supposed 'reviews' of the managers position. Supposed individuals within the Venkys organisation pushing for a change whilst Desai refuses to act or gives him a few more games.

I don't expect Bowyer to resign, and quite honestly wouldn't expect him to. At least not for some time yet. Why should he? We've had a bad start, but any manager would say 6 games is too soon, we're only a win away from mid-table, or as shown yesterday the players are clearly responding to him. No manager in world football would resign at this juncture and walk out on a contract. Notice Mourinho isn't throwing in the towel after Chelsea's woeful start. The only way it might happen is if the players had turned on him or he was deeply unhappy at the club, and neither appear to be the case.

The only way a change should come about is through the owners taking decisive action. I would say that failure to win either of our next two games and that time has come. Whilst I don't agree with rushed decisions 0 wins from 9 in league and cup is highly alarming and I would support a change.

It shouldn't matter what the fans think, or what is happening in the stands, or whether the owners think the fans are happy with the situation or not. All that should matter is our results and league position and the fact that relegation to the third division could be the end for this club. That is all the owners should be concerned about. As a Championship club their investment can be salvaged by having one good season and getting promoted. In the 3rd division their investment has gone for the foreseeable future. Everything should be done to ensure at the very least survival is achieved.

This squad is good enough to be well clear of trouble. The embargo is an excuse. Yesterday we started with 2 players recruited under the embargo in Nathan Delfouneso and Danny Guthrie, the latter described by the manager as Premier League quality when he signed this summer. The rest have all been regulars in top 8 squads these last 2 seasons. Any confident manager would look at this squad and see potential to build on once out of the embargo.

But lets make no mistake. If Bowyer does go then we won't get a Pearson or Lambert here. Not because we couldn't attract them, because they would both come here, but because we would look to go down the unproven and cheap route again. Step forward Craig Short. The 'most powerful' individual on the ground at Ewood is Derek Shaw, the man who has no idea when our embargo is going to be lifted and who has no involvement in major decision making at the club. His sole remit appears to be cutting costs, and he is judged purely on that, so he isn't going to recommend pay offs and lucrative contracts to successful new managers.

Pearson will end up somewhere like Fulham or Leeds when they need new managers and we'll end up on phase 5 of the promoting an inexperienced man into the role.

In between all the nonsense thats posted, the one liners lacking any context and repetitive ramming views down people throats, your posts a welcome distraction JH, what this site used to be like, and for one hope you keep it up.

[1arC]

No laughing and joking with the officials from Sherwood. The fans will respond to that interview as you could see he was genuinely gutted and offered, no feeble excuses. You could see he was still full of emotion from the rollocking he had dished out. I bet not a single one of his players has a phantom Y added to their surname and I bet none of them refer to him as Timmy. He is the gaffer and you can tell and Villa will have a good season under him.

[1arC]

Just another quick thing with managers, Pearson gave similar post match interviews for Leicester as Sherwood did yesterday. Although it can appear arrogant, it also comes across as you f**k with me at your peril. In my views, this is just what our players need right now, as some of them still look like they are on their summer break.

[Stuart]

I agree with much of JHRover's excellent post. However, I'm going to disagree with the comment about Shaw. If we end up with Short it will be solely down to Venkys IMHO. Shaw has a decent track record at PNE for recruiting credible managers.

Looking at previous managers under Venkys though, it's hard to say what they will do for sure.

Allardyce - removed in what looks like a coup whilst we had third parties in charge of recruitment.

Kean - allegedly recruited under said third parties - left whilst Singh was 'interfering' in club affairs.

Berg - a credible choice - seemingly agreed by Singh/Shaw (whilst Agnew was also here), albeit on a silly contract. His alleged role in that contract, and behaviour as described by a judge may mean that he is not allowed to contract the next one.

Appleton - a Shagnew recruit? With Singh still around. Another apparent compromise.

Bowyer - manager by default after a caretaker spell.

Who knows which way they would go now, and who they would take advice from this time around. If they've learned anything they will go and hire someone with a track record in manager recruitment and sound contacts.

I just don't think that Rovers are much of a priority to them. Like an old Scalextric set to be got out a couple of times a year. Squeeze the trigger a bit until they get bored then pack it away.

[roverandout]

Venkys want a yes man, one they can bend and manipulate as seen with all their appointments so far.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

If Kamy has a high up snitch at the Venkydome, why are we not told what their "vision" is? To me they have complete myopia. We seem to be an annoying, very expensive child that they leave to a shelf stacking nanny, who has more in common with nanny McMoney than the interests of the club he is meant to be running.

WTF do they think they have achieved in their tenure??

Rock all. Disaster to disaster with a bit of stability for gods sake.

Apart from losing money like there is no tomorrow, what possible pleasure have they got from being the first Indian owners of a once proud PL club? The pleasure of losing millions?

You can't write this stuff, but football is littered with sad chancers who can't admit failure. Loons = failure.

Last roll of the dice, but we are probably very low down on a long list of things to do, and lovely Gazza/Coco talk the talk (only thing in common, but self preservation is high up there in an employees thoughts) and they will get round to it, no doubt when it's way too late.

[T J Hooker]

Under 21s have won again tonight 4-3, came back from being a goal behind 4 times and connor mahoney scored 2 more cracking goals acording to the commentary feed on twitter, Johnson seems to be doing well, I really won't be surprised to see him get the caretakers role if bowyer was sacked(and i wouldnt be against that, as long as it was 100% just temporary regardless of results)

[Rover_Shaun]

Shaw has a decent track record at PNE for recruiting credible managers.

Do you mean Craig Brown, Billy Davies, Alan Irvine and Phil Brown?

[Stuart]

Do you mean Craig Brown and Billy Davies?

Amongst others.

[Rover_Shaun]

Amongst others.

I listed them all under his chairmanship. I assume Ferguson was after he left.