[Archived] Dialogue With The Owners

[Gav]

1. Would Jack be happy that 17,000 fans that dined at his table from 1992-2009 are just sitting back and allowing these people to continue to destroy the club he built?

WOULD HE B0LLOX.

Forget the trust, forget everything thats gone before, whilst we argue about the cause the end game is fast approaching.

Eventually we're going to have to stand up and be counted.

[patrickvalery]

All this nonsense about Venkys. There is no mystery. They cocked up good and proper. They've lost a lot of money. But they don't give two hoots about the club or the fans. They may have pride but I don't know anyone who's pride and stubbornness beats losing tens of millions of quid. They stick around because the carrot of the PL is just one division away.They stick around because they're told by people like Shaw that this manager can get them back there and cut their losses along the way. They know bugger all about football. It would be like me running their chicken feed business. I'd know sod all about that and would probably trust a so called 'expert' who told me things were OK. It's not rocket science. It's a cocktail of idiots and rogues trying to steal a living. You'd think they might have had the common sense to employ a chief executive who has the club at heart. Or even one who's impartial. But to employ one who's a fan of a local rival. Christ on a bike. The farmer has bought a wolf for a sheepdog. It's right up there with the most stupid things they've ever done.

[Leonard Venkhater]

1. Would Jack be happy that 17,000 fans that dined at his table from 1992-2009 are just sitting back and allowing these people to continue to destroy the club he built?

WOULD HE B0LLOX.

Forget the trust, forget everything thats gone before, whilst we argue about the cause the end game is fast approaching.

Eventually we're going to have to stand up and be counted.

I think you are right, But we will need to sign up to the same aim. I do worry that even the most Rovers obsessed nuts on this message board can't agree.

[patrickvalery]

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[Gav]

I think you are right, But we will need to sign up to the same aim. I do worry that even the most Rovers obsessed nuts on this message board can't agree.

I need to take a break from the site because I keep repeating myself and I'm becoming/become a negative poster which I hate.

But

The sh1t will hit the fan at some stage, it'll happen organically, but I just fear that's going to be to late.

Yes I keep going on, no I'm not doing anything about it, but that doesn't mean we should all sit back and do nowt.

It's a frustrating situation, I have no answers, I'd be willing to risk everything to make a statement, I doubt more than a handful would do the same, so why bother? Because I care, I could sit out a ban knowing I tried, uck knows.....

[Leonard Venkhater]

I need to take a break from the site because I keep repeating myself and I'm becoming a negative poster.

But

The sh1t will hit the fan at some stage, it'll happen organically, but I just fear that's going to be to late.

Yes I keep going on, no I'm not doing anything about it, but that doesn't mean we should all sit back and do nowt.

It's a frustrating situation, I have no answers, I'd be willing to risk everything to make a statement, I doubt more than a handful would do the same, so why bother....

Hahaha..If you can't bring good new, then don't bring any!

As long as you keep making your logical arguments.

Anyway, you're in good company. People dismissed Kipling when his poem foretold the rise of Hitler in the early thirties ... they said he was just too bitter and anti-German after the death of his son at Loos.

None of us have the answers and we have all been victims of a divide and rule strategy anyway.First base is a shared analysis of the here and now and an agreed strategy.

Personally, I wouldn't be averse to a symbolic gesture at a televised game, for instance, as long as there was a clear aim and it was part of a broader strategy, as opposed to an empty gesture...

[Leonard Venkhater]

All this nonsense about Venkys. There is no mystery. They cocked up good and proper. They've lost a lot of money. But they don't give two hoots about the club or the fans. They may have pride but I don't know anyone who's pride and stubbornness beats losing tens of millions of quid. They stick around because the carrot of the PL is just one division away.They stick around because they're told by people like Shaw that this manager can get them back there and cut their losses along the way. They know bugger all about football. It would be like me running their chicken feed business. I'd know sod all about that and would probably trust a so called 'expert' who told me things were OK. It's not rocket science. It's a cocktail of idiots and rogues trying to steal a living. You'd think they might have had the common sense to employ a chief executive who has the club at heart. Or even one who's impartial. But to employ one who's a fan of a local rival. Christ on a bike. The farmer has bought a wolf for a sheepdog. It's right up there with the most stupid things they've ever done.

Even after the deluge......Kean( kept on), Agnew, Singh, Shaw, Appleton...Bowyer( sorry!)...you have got to wonder why. They take the money and keep silent because they know they will never get another job so far above their ability!

[patrickvalery]

Of the names you mention Leonard, I think Bowyer and Appleton can be excused of foul play. They realised that rovers are a club with the stadium and the training facilities to build their status in the game. Not to mention the owners are willing to trade despite losing money hand over fist. The others can rot. Their incentives were entirely to our detriment.

[chaddyrovers]

Of the names you mention Leonard, I think Appleton

I think Appleton could see where Rovers were going wrong when he took over and could see the squad wasn't good enough to get us promoted. Was Appleton good enough to get us promote? I don't know but we will never know the answer to that question.

I just think that season was the most crazy season I have ever know and sums up Venkys actions since taking over this club. Appointed Shebby was a massive mistake and cost the club millions. The Arguments/lack of clear person in charge with Shebby, Shaw and Agnew were arguing all the time.

I just wish Venkys would appoint an experience Football CEO and listen to him. whoever this person is who Venkys have sent to look/work at the club who is said to be from a football background I just hope they listen to him and trust him to make decisions plus stop listening to different agents/people. I also hope they get rid of Shaw asap

here is a video about Venkys reign as Rovers owners

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA1TVgMFmkw

[patrickvalery]

I can answer the Appleton question chaddy. No he wasn't. But what he did realise (and very quickly to his credit) was the club was rotting. He soon spied there were some wrong-uns. But his answer was turgid football. Hence why he slipped down the leagues.

But he had good intentions and that's worth noting.

[Tom]

I liked Appletons attitude when he came in just a shame the football was so drab

[patrickvalery]

He was the first one who actually told it like it was. I felt it was a shame he didn't cut the mustard. But he was woefully short and I'm pretty certain he'd have relegated us. I know berg had a pretty woeful record too. But I get the feeling he'd have done alright given time. Anyway off track..

[DE.]

Appleton is at his natural level now. I think there's a chance he'll eventually come good, but the job at Rovers was far too much for him at this stage in his career.

Then again, the same could be said of Kean, Berg and Bowyer. When will Venky's learn?

[chaddyrovers]

I liked Appletons attitude when he came in just a shame the football was so drab

I agree Tom with you.

Always like Appleton telling the truth how it was.

He's doing well at Oxford Utd and Derek Faz is his number 2 there. Wonder if he had him as Rovers whether results might have been better.

[Mike E]

I liked Voldemort. Just a shame he went straight defensive lumping. We can see so far at Oxford that a change in approach to quick, passing football has worked for him (albeit at a lower level).

Re: Berg I reckon he'd be perfect to appoint now that we're stable. But given our experience recently, think I'd want experience at the helm.

[patrickvalery]

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[47er]

Absolutely.

The Trust put the club up for sale, Syed came in and didn't pass the test, he was outed by the Trust as a crook (allegedly)

Venkys came in and passed all the tests with flying colours so they sold.

When you sell your house do you ask if the buyer is a fit and proper person? do you hell, you sell if they can afford the asking price and sod the neighbours, its the same principle here.

That's OK if you totally forget Jacks love for the Club. There was enough money to run the club successfully (ie stay in Premier League) and satisfy those fortunate enough to be born in relationship to him.

Jaxk always said he had provided for Rovers' future when he'd gone. He'd be pretty disillusioned now I'd wager.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Of the names you mention Leonard, I think Bowyer and Appleton can be excused of foul play. They realised that rovers are a club with the stadium and the training facilities to build their status in the game. Not to mention the owners are willing to trade despite losing money hand over fist. The others can rot. Their incentives were entirely to our detriment.

None of them were up to the job. They have that in common and that allowed unsatisfactory things to continue unchallenged, let's say.

I will go along with your differentiation of Bowyer, but I worry that Appleton was brought in by Agnew and Shaw!.

[tomphil]

Appleton had some minerals about him and spoke well and with a bit of authority although for me his close connections to Shaw were always a bit of a worry. He tried to do what Bowyer has done and stabilise things on the field and behind the scenes he was trying to rebuild. If he'd have got a few more results who knows but shabby would always have been looking to oust him I think, he had his own agenda by then.

As has been said Appy's football was awful, understand what he was trying to do but again as said he's at the right level for his abilities on the pitch now. His thorough approach will serve him well though as time goes on. At least he's now cutting his teeth the right way so every respect to him.

didn't David Brown(the Vice Chairman of Rovers at the time) work for the Walker's Trust and the man who did the background checks on the Venkys?

Brown supposedly spent a few weeks in India fact finding on Venkys. He really should have been fact finding on SEM/Kentaro, Anderson, the real Steve Kean and associated others........

[Stuart]

So much for analogies and metaphors!

When you pay for your child to go to boarding school, do you check whether staff are qualified, have suitable CRB clearance, actually know how to run a school.......or just throw the child onto the first train?

I'm glad you said it!

[Mike E]

That's OK if you totally forget Jacks love for the Club. There was enough money to run the club successfully (ie stay in Premier League) and satisfy those fortunate enough to be born in relationship to him.

Jaxk always said he had provided for Rovers' future when he'd gone. He'd be pretty disillusioned now I'd wager.

Yeah, but even Jack couldn't have foreseen the money boom in 2003/4.

I still don't understand how the Trust can be blamed for selling to Venkys. Most fans I spoke to were happy with the proposed plan and I've no reason to suspect the Trust thought otherwise:

Billionaires, keeping the management system as it was and providing £5m every window, rising with success was what everyone was told. There was NO reason at the time to suspect that wouldn't happen.

At least they saw through the charlatans Shah and Sayed, then we'd really be in the muck possibly already dead :/

[DE.]

Didn't 5Live see through Syed? It was only after their exposé that his takeover seemed to come off the rails.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11735197

[tomphil]

They certainly let Syed get his foot through the door and do due diligence so it shows thier process wasn't exactly watertight. I wonder who brought that guy to the table ???

[Iceman]

When it comes to foreign investment in Spanish football there are two names that always pop up. Ahsan Ali Syed, former owner of Racing Santander, and Abdullah ben Nasser Al Thani of Malaga. Both serve as two very important warnings to fans of clubs that are looking for a sugar daddy.

Racing Santander almost dropped from the face of the earth but hard work from supporters has seen them survive, barely.

http://www.football-espana.net/48206/beware-those-bearing-gifts

[DE.]

Racing's story is pretty grim. Somehow Syed would have been even worse than Venky's.