[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[BlooBoy]

if we had a proper board or owners he would have apologised by now. That's where the problems are.

Bowyer is an adult (i think )he shouldnt need to be told to apologise.

[chor808]

Bowyer is an adult (i think )he shouldnt need to be told to apologise.

correct but as an adult he should not have said it in the first place.

[Amo]

Let him stand by his words if he honestly meant them.

[BlooBoy]

Maybe we should all take a stone a piece to the Brentford game and lob them on the pitch at a given moment to get across we aint very happy with Mr. Bowyers comments

[chor808]

Maybe we should all take a stone a piece to the Brentford game and lob them on the pitch at a given moment to get across we aint very happy with Mr. Bowyers comments

Im not throwing my house on the pitch.

[JBiz]

Regarding your edit, jb. There are plenty who don't buy an ST, not because they cba, but because they've found other ways of spending their money/Saturday afternoons. A lot of people have fallen out of love with attending, and whilst it's perhaps difficult for some of us regulars to understand, I get it and plenty others do too. I know plenty who were so disgusted with the way the club was heading under Venky's that they found something else to do with their time and money. All because they love the club, it doesn't mean they are bound to put their money into Venky pockets and support a cause that they aren't happy with.

I attend the majority of games but found the comments offensive. I share an ST with my brother as he's away 90% of the time and for the remaining 10% of games an extra ticket is purchased. Is one of us a fair-weather fan for not spending money on an extra ST no one will use? Perhaps Bowyer was aiming his comments at one of us. Or at my friend who has just got back from Oz and bought a ticket for the game, as well as bringing his friend from NI. I play football at a decent level and often get the choice between playing and going to Ewood. I often choose the Rovers, watch shoddy football, see us lose or a disappointing draw, walk out of there unhappy and I think to myself how I could have easily played football myself and enjoyed it. Not to mention I'll now find myself having to fight to win my place back. I can understand why people don't buy STs or don't attend regularly, something which a lot of people struggle with.

There are plenty others who simply can't afford an ST. Perhaps it adds up to a lot of money bringing kids along etc. Do they love the club any less than you or I? Do they deserve to be targeted by Bowyer and the superfans because they don't attend week-in week-out? Bowyer hasn't specified a niche within those non-STs who chose to attend the Burnley game, he's tarred them all with the same brush and whilst we all might want to see Ewood brimming, let's be realistic and acknowledge WHY a lot of people don't attend. It is naive to suggest that everyone should stump up hundreds of pounds a year to watch BRFC simply because they are a fan and they have to. Bowyer could have expressed how he wanted them on board for the rest of the season and made a plea to these fans, instead he made a snide remark that has upset a number of people. If Steve Kean had made those comments when he was in charge, there would be no one defending him.

I'm not suprised that you would take a sarcastic remark (see the smiley?) and apply it to the whole situation as if I'm referring to people who physically couldn't attend.

You also know that I'm referring to those fans who will have forgot this comment should we draw a big team in the third round of the cup in 3 months.

There are an awful lot of people who's situation has changed due to the financial climate - I'm perfectly aware of that. Do you think I am genuinely, or GB for that matter is targeting a comment as such at those people? It suits the low opinion many have of GB to bring it up as such.

The "theory" I have - in relation to Reidys post, it's not about people who are forced not to attend for personal reasons.

There is a difference between him, and say your brother - than the others who've chosen to select "big" games because they can no longer "be assed" because we aren't playing Chelsea, Arsenal etc. As someone pointed out, it's always been that way and I'll always be critical of that mentality. Just like I'm sick and tired of seeing young Ewood attendees refer to themselves as "city" fans.

[Neil Weaver]

Stop being lazy then, correct me - what is a representative sample range for 12,000 Rovers fans, with your accuracy rating.

Stuart, there isn't a hard-and-fast number to be representative. You see, the key word is 'representative'. Someone (may have been you, I can't remember) was talking about the small number of people used for the General Election exit poll. Yes it probably was a small number, but the sample was representative - there would have been a lot of care to make sure folk across many constituencies, from a wide age range, and across the social scale, were used. There were probably lots of other criteria too.

To expect a poll - using virtually any sample size - on a website like this one to represent the ST holder 'population' is just not realistic.

[Stuart]

Why are people saying it was a Halloween joke any way ?

Because of the bit before the 'stones' bit where he mentioned Halloween, or "this time of year" or something similar (can't remember how he phrased it)?

I'm not saying I agree but even giving him the benefit of the doubt it's a poor show.

I know people who went to the Bumley game but don't go regularly who are very supportive of Bowyer. They probably still will be and they'll find a way to qualify the comments as not aimed at them. Some people would defend Bowyer if he turned up at their house and took a dump in their garden: "Well the roses did need a bit of fertiliser, so fair play to him."

[Stuart]

Stuart, there isn't a hard-and-fast number to be representative. You see, the key word is 'representative'. Someone (may have been you, I can't remember) was talking about the small number of people used for the General Election exit poll. Yes it probably was a small number, but the sample was representative - there would have been a lot of care to make sure folk across many constituencies, from a wide age range, and across the social scale, were used. There were probably lots of other criteria too.

To expect a poll - using virtually any sample size - on a website like this one to represent the ST holder 'population' is just not realistic.

(Wasn't me).

We have a decent cross-section of fans on here, and not just the 20 or 30 who post regularly (and incidentally get slagged off for providing the material for people to read). I do believe that close to 300 Rovers fans is a reasonable yardstick to use across the fanbase. Certainly more so that an LT one which has rival fans included.

Who do you think is not represented in this poll? How is exit poll profiling any more certain? It's by no means an exact science, for obvious reasons but it's certainly not right to dismiss the view of 300 fans. (That's quite a large number by the way - possibly the largest unofficial group).

[Reedy You're A Star]

So rather than Bowyer making snide remarks towards the fans who aren't assed enough to buy that season ticket .

You didn't make a distinction. You just said fans who aren't arsed enough to buy that season ticket. Well, I'm arsed about the Rovers, or I wouldn't be here every hour reading and watching and listening to every bit of Rovers news and games I can find, but I don't have a season ticket. Does that make me someone who is gonna crawl back under my rock? If it does in Bowyer's eyes, which according to direct quotes, it does, then im done with him and when the door eventually hits him on the ass on the way out, good riddance as far as I'm concerned.

[T J Hooker]

In the audio there was no humour in his voice, no chuckle, no qualification at all - imo he meant the comments as criticism and no joke. Is there a video of that interview I wonder?

absolutely right,

i can be a bit of a sarcy git myself and have a pretty broad sense of humour, but there was no real humour in his comments, it wasn't banter at all, he was flat out mocking and belittling a very large section of the fan base(the majority of them in fact, unless your one of those that believes you're not a fan unless you buy an st and attend every game no matter what)

now IF we was doing better in the league and his last few seasons at the helm hadn't been so dire then he'd get some leeway with comments like that, but his reign so far has been nothing more than mediocre(at very best, but mostly just crap) so he's i no position to get on a high horse, he's a Muppet and I want to see the back of him and see a genuine manager installed(and a respectable MD wouldn't go a miss either)

[rigger]

Maybe we should all take a stone a piece to the Brentford game and lob them on the pitch at a given moment to get across we aint very happy with Mr. Bowyers comments

Any chance of getting inflatable boulders?

[yoda]

Fred Flinstone masks,

That's what we need,

Shaw can be Barney Rubble

[Reedy You're A Star]

If it was a joke, he's completely missed the target (like most of our team most games) and should hold his hands up and apologise. If not, then I won't expect one and he's only a spiked drink and a drunken Hong Kong bar rant away from the Scotch @#/? and should be treated as such. The sooner him, the Preston prick and Silent Myers are removed the better. If Venkys could go too it would be a bonus, but at least they're being useful by putting in money (be that there's or borrowed on their behalf).

[AllRoverAsia]

BBC website quote: "There was a lot of emotion attached to Saturday's defeat," he added. "It's nearly Halloween and you see people coming out for the ground you haven't seen for 18 months. They'll probably go back in and hide under the stone for another couple of games, but that's just part and parcel of football."

In the audio he actually says ''It's nearly Halloween and you see people coming out the ground'' - no 'for' is said - he doesn't mean Ewood he means the earth imo. Hence in Bowyerworld those who came out the ground went back in (to the ground) after the game under their stone.

Very very odd and if he is seeing people rise from the earth/ground we should all be worried.

[Pedro]

But has he upped his game? 4 points from 4 games?

We've had good performances off him before. We beat Birmingham, Forest and Reading in consecutive games last season with a superb second half display at forest. That was part of an 8 game unbeaten run.

It still didn't help us get into the play off positions and we drifted to mediocrity.

Sorry, I meant purely on effort and energy levels of the players. There is a marked difference in the way Rovers play BUT you are absolutely right, his points etc he hasn't upped his game in the slightest. I want rid for something better and only care for doing what we can to get out of this league (upwards).

[roverandout]

Because of the bit before the 'stones' bit where he mentioned Halloween, or "this time of year" or something similar (can't remember how he phrased it)?

I'm not saying I agree but even giving him the benefit of the doubt it's a poor show.

I know people who went to the Bumley game but don't go regularly who are very supportive of Bowyer. They probably still will be and they'll find a way to qualify the comments as not aimed at them. Some people would defend Bowyer if he turned up at their house and took a dump in their garden: "Well the roses did need a bit of fertiliser, so fair play to him."

Chaddy?

[matt83]

Very very odd and if he is seeing people rise from the earth/ground we should all be worried.

Think you may have hit the nail on the head here and inadvertently diagnosed bowyer.

"Delusional disorder previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness called a "psychosis" in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue. People with delusional disorder experience non-bizarre delusions, which involve situations that could occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, deceived, conspired against, or loved from a distance. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, however, the situations are either not true at all or highly exaggerated."

Certainly explains his post match interviews and evaluation of games.

[Capnhanley]

But we had to sell gestede and cairney so we can not be promoted until we can buy players again

[Stuart]

But we had to sell gestede and cairney so we can not be promoted until we can buy players again

Had to? Why's that then?

But even so, if you can't buy players, and you have rich owners covering losses, then you DO NOT sell two of your best first team players if it doesn't take you out of embargo.

That would be stupid. Or deliberately aimed at keeping us from progressing - which would take us into the realms of conspiracy theories.

[Capnhanley]

Haha ok

[yoda]

But we had to sell gestede and cairney so we can not be promoted until we can buy players again

You sound like GB

[Amo]

Quite obviously another dupe account.

[Mike Graham]

But we had to sell gestede and cairney so we can not be promoted until we can buy players again

FFS

[Mercer]

The Nixon story is no surprise.

I think Shaw was looking at replacements for Bowyer as soon as last season ended (with Warburton a rumoured target), however, the Raos' apparent indifference to all things Rovers over previous months would have left that one on the starting grid.

As disorganised as the Raos seemingly are, at least where football matters are concerned, I would be amazed if they have not evaluated the options for exiting. If they didn't already know, they most likely realise now that promotion is the only way that they will have any chance of recouping a decent slug of the £130m+ that so far has gone into Rovers. Our very poor start to the season has probably dented their confidence in Bowyer to deliver following his statement following the last match of the season - words to the effect 'top six is the minimum objective'. Perhaps they are at last beginning to see through, IMV, Bowyer's constant bull s h I t and hence a potential last throw of the dice.

IMV, there is a quiet noise to suggest that something may be happening behind the scenes and the manager's position is just one part of those deliberations. I think things will become clearer before the year is out.