[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[martonrover]

Do you not see the irony in calling Bowyer a nasty piece of work and then lauding Pearson?

Yes, but did you not see that I said Pearson has two promotions and two play offs on his CV and that we could do better than Bowyer?

I can't stand Bowyer but could rise above that if he was a decent manager.

[perthblue02]

[JHRover]

This guy? http://companies.globalmarket.com/venkys-sapty-ltd-283164.html (credit to exiledlanc on twitter for the link), he might have been bringing the biscuits over for Mr Myers turning snowballs into handshakes tea party

Wonder why we never hear much from Gandhi Babu, Venkys man on the board, certainly a man of mystery and only became a Venky's director a couple of months prior to takeover. You would think he would be reporting back directly to the V's wouldn't you , maybe developed a taste for Lancashire gravy

Interesting. Well done on that find because I tried a google search and couldn't find anything at all about him. So our club's future direction is potentially in the hands of a biscuit specialist employee of Venkys who is based in South Africa. Exciting times ahead.

On the other hand the other bloke who was rumoured to be sent to Blackburn by the owners earlier this season I seem to remember was a former high ranking member of the Indian FA, so there might be some confusion here.

As ever, a managerial change can be either positive or negative. If Venkys have decided that after 2 years+ and £50 million losses under Bowyer that bottom half/relegation scrap isn't acceptable and want to give someone else a crack then they are entitled to do so. If they make a change by saying thanks very much to Bowyer and then lining someone proven up to come in and take over immediately who has a track record of success in this league or higher then that would go in the face of everything they have done in the last 5 years.

When Kean went they clearly had no idea of what to do next and it took Shebby Singh and Derek Shaw about 4 weeks to finally settle on Henning Berg to spearhead their promotion campaign. Bowyer and Kean were both promoted from within, whilst Appleton had done absolutely nothing in his short career to suggest he could sort this club out. Suddenly lining up proven managers is a big change from that.

On Pearson I believe he is the standout candidate for this club. His record at Leicester is exceptional and is only being enhanced as his squad fly high in the Premier League under Ranieri. Sooner or later he is going to have to pick up a job in the Championship, because he won't get a Premier League opportunity any time soon. He's a nasty piece of work but has the track record to show for it. Ferguson was nasty but got the success.

Unfortunately whilst I think he would consider joining a club like ourselves I expect he would take some persuading and some assurances over funds/control, which he wouldn't get from Shaw/Venkys. He'll probably end up somewhere like Forest, Derby or Wolves when they change managers where they will give him money to spend and let him get on with it.

Given our unusual structure of having foreign owners and a weak board of directors going down the foreign route with more of a head coach might work, and Jokanovic at least has the track record over 7 months at Watford.

I would just prefer someone more experienced in the English game who could perhaps relate to our predominantly British squad better than someone foreign. I think a more old fashioned manager, responsible for all aspects of the football side of the club from transfers down to the academy would be more suitable for this club in the absence of a director of football or football executive.

If it was me and I needed to select a new manager I would push the boat out for Pearson and if that failed then try to get Paul Lambert.

[DE.]

I would say he's under no pressure at all which is ridiculous.

To be fair, at this point I doubt he knows whether he is truly under pressure or not. According to Shaw Venky's are rarely in contact recently and they refused to meet Gary at all in the summer. Knowing how Venky's operate, they are more likely to sack him after a run of good results than bad ones. The perils of being owned by a group of idiots.

[arbitro]

Are there 4,000 stones in Blackburn Lancashire?

[tomphil]

Do you not see the irony in calling Bowyer a nasty piece of work and then lauding Pearson?

I doubt either are nasty pieces of work really but one has his heart on his sleeve and does what it says on the tin. I think maybe sometimes the players , fans as well good or bad, need a bit of that. The other becomes a little bit more arrogant by the week yet fails to deliver anything more than mediocrity in terms of results.

But hey as paying fans let's continue to pay the so called nice guy just in case he actually comes up trumps. If we are going to replace him surely someone like Pearson is an attempt at a step in the right direction at least.

If the biscuit guy has been over maybe he's casting an eye over how things are run and the books in order to prepare for a sale. Surely Venkys wouldn't take footballing advice of a guy like him or a cricket loving chicken leg salesman, or a globally derided outpost tv pundit ?

Knowing them it's nothing more the usual window dressing.

[USABlue]

From Kamy on twitter:-

Others managers may have been sounded out BUT Mrs D still supports GB, while he has her support then no chance of him being sacked

Reason why she supports him is down to a model of making profit on players bought to finance club. GB delivering that for her

That just highlights how ridiculiusly niave she must be. As I said stepping over Dollars to pick up nickels. She would rather try to make a few mill, try that is, on player trading rather than go fir the guaranteed riches of the Premier league, stupid.

[mhead]

I know its been a slow week since we beat Dirty Leeds ....and we are still fighting amongst ourselves....including the "stones" backlash.

Distinctly remember during the Premier 'glory days' arguing with lots of Rovers supporters when they sneered at the 'bandwagon supporters'.

We need any supporters and you never diss the clients BUT the Internet warriors on here just love to pick any argument they can find.

What would they do re. Mourinho at the moment? Makes our 95/96 Season look a good one!

[DE.]

Comparing Mourinho to Bowyer is pointless, as one has a history of success and the other does not. You can point to Mourinho's CV and say he knows how to win things, meanwhile Bowyer's CV suggests he can get a team to mid-table with inconsistent performances.

[yoda]

I know its been a slow week since we beat Dirty Leeds ....and we are still fighting amongst ourselves....including the "stones" backlash.

Distinctly remember during the Premier 'glory days' arguing with lots of Rovers supporters when they sneered at the 'bandwagon supporters'.

We need any supporters and you never diss the clients BUT the Internet warriors on here just love to pick any argument they can find.

What would they do re. Mourinho at the moment? Makes our 95/96 Season look a good one!

That comparison has been tried earlier in the topic,

totally irrelevant as DE says above,

like comparing chalk and cheese

[Mattyblue]

Distinctly remember during the Premier 'glory days' arguing with lots of Rovers supporters when they sneered at the 'bandwagon supporters'.

Me too, there's always been a section of our support that positively revels in being small time (with the gates to match).

Maybe Vinjay was onto something all along?

[yoda]

Me too, there's always been a section of our support that positively revels in being small time (with the gates to match).

Maybe Vinjay was onto something all along?

Jack Walker wasn't

THINK BIG

[AllRoverAsia]

I know its been a slow week since we beat Dirty Leeds ....and we are still fighting amongst ourselves....including the "stones" backlash.

Distinctly remember during the Premier 'glory days' arguing with lots of Rovers supporters when they sneered at the 'bandwagon supporters'.

We need any supporters and you never diss the clients BUT the Internet warriors on here just love to pick any argument they can find.

What would they do re. Mourinho at the moment? Makes our 95/96 Season look a good one!

I've found it depressing rather than slow.

The extreme goodwill generated by a great away win at Leeds destroyed for me in seconds by Bowyer's crass stupidity and rudeness.

Maybe I'm just too sensitive. I'm going to put Bowyerims on the back-burner and hope we get a good result & performance v Brum.

I'm not going to allow a tosser (GB) to destroy an almost 60 year love affair.

EDIT: personally I'd keep M at Chelsea. He can only get better and if he doesn't well I do give a flying one tbh.

[Amo]

I know its been a slow week since we beat Dirty Leeds ....and we are still fighting amongst ourselves....including the "stones" backlash.

Distinctly remember during the Premier 'glory days' arguing with lots of Rovers supporters when they sneered at the 'bandwagon supporters'.

We need any supporters and you never diss the clients BUT the Internet warriors on here just love to pick any argument they can find.

What would they do re. Mourinho at the moment? Makes our 95/96 Season look a good one!

Bowyer made the comments, and since he hasn't offered a retraction, he must stand by them. If he had kept his remarks about an already fractured fan-base to himself, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Maybe if he were top of the table or in a rich vein of form, then he could feel entitled to feel a little smug. However, one win at a bigger basket-case than us, and he thinks he's the dog's @#/?.

[T J Hooker]

That just highlights how ridiculiusly niave she must be. As I said stepping over Dollars to pick up nickels. She would rather try to make a few mill, try that is, on player trading rather than go fir the guaranteed riches of the Premier league, stupid.

We're always questioning why venkys bought the club and what do they/did they want to achieve from it,

I now believe that the venkys(and their 'advisors') sole objective of the club from V day 1 has been to just use our club as a platform for cheap youngsters and free agents and to then improve them and sell them on at a profit, this is the only explanation as to why they have shown no real intent to get promoted, invested heavily in the training grounds(but nowhere else) and hired coaches to control the team.

yes there's vast amounts of money to be made by getting into the prem But it also takes vast amounts to stay up there, where as you can survive in the championship by spending very little(relatively speaking) on players.

[joey_big_nose]

We're always questioning why venkys bought the club and what do they/did they want to achieve from it,

I now believe that the venkys(and their 'advisors') sole objective of the club from V day 1 has been to just use our club as a platform for cheap youngsters and free agents and to then improve them and sell them on at a profit, this is the only explanation as to why they have shown no real intent to get promoted, invested heavily in the training grounds(but nowhere else) and hired coaches to control the team.

yes there's vast amounts of money to be made by getting into the prem But it also takes vast amounts to stay up there, where as you can survive in the championship by spending very little(relatively speaking) on players.

If that's their business plan it is a bloody awful one and it has cost them 50 million +!!

They just didn't know what they were doing, made terrible decisions because of that (and a lack of desire to actually research or learn) and were exploited by agents and Kean.

They are cretins of the highest order, but I don't even they were planning to get relegated and lose upteen million.

[joey_big_nose]

Bowyer pressured to win tomorrow at Brum.

Slavisa Jokanovic would be a masterstroke but why would he come?

I can't see it either. Champions League with Macbbi or a hamstrung club in the Championship?

Only way it could work imo is if we had a quality plan to allow investment (10m or so) once out of FFP, but I can't find one. Any mass investment would see us back into FFP again.

Best he would get is a wage bill of around 15k a week average and maybe a million or two for transfers. Plus we would need to sell Rhodes to get out of FFP in the first place anyway.

[T J Hooker]

If that's their business plan it is a bloody awful one and it has cost them 50 million +!!

They just didn't know what they were doing, made terrible decisions because of that (and a lack of desire to actually research or learn) and were exploited by agents and Kean.

They are cretins of the highest order, but I don't even they were planning to get relegated and lose upteen million.

Obviously it didnt work(and it never will) but that still seems to becthe plan later her Ladyship of venky still seems to be trying to work to judging by all acounts surrounding her reasoning behind sticking with bowyer.

[Amo]

We're always questioning why venkys bought the club and what do they/did they want to achieve from it,

I now believe that the venkys(and their 'advisors') sole objective of the club from V day 1 has been to just use our club as a platform for cheap youngsters and free agents and to then improve them and sell them on at a profit, this is the only explanation as to why they have shown no real intent to get promoted, invested heavily in the training grounds(but nowhere else) and hired coaches to control the team.

yes there's vast amounts of money to be made by getting into the prem But it also takes vast amounts to stay up there, where as you can survive in the championship by spending very little(relatively speaking) on players.

I think you're looking for method in the madness where there isn't any. If their gameplan from day one has always been to invest in young players and sell them on for a profit, why did they sign Murphy, Etuhu and Orr, et al on lucrative contracts? They're making it up as they go along, listening to this adviser and that adviser. They couldn't honestly think that this is a sustainable business model when player profits are peanuts compared to the club's overall losses.

[AllRoverAsia]

One thing for sure is that I wouldn't eat one of their chicken meals if it was the last food on Earth.

[JHRover]

They came in with the plan of minimal investment in return for top half Premier League. When that went wrong they were naive enough to think that a heavy summer spend would translate into immediate promotion. When that went wrong they have tried to make cutbacks and quite like the idea of making money from players rather than losing money on them. Fair enough. Which way do we go next? I'd like a middle ground - sensible spending on young players who can improve so we are quids in if they go (Gestede to Villa) whilst also trying to put together a promotion capable side. This doesn't mean selling Cairney to Fulham or Rhodes to Middlesbrough.

[T J Hooker]

I think you're looking for method in the madness where there isn't any. If their gameplan from day one has always been to invest in young players and sell them on for a profit, why did they sign Murphy, Etuhu and Orr, et al on lucrative contracts? They're making it up as they go along, listening to this adviser and that adviser. They couldn't honestly think that this is a sustainable business model when player profits are peanuts compared to the club's overall losses.

they didn't pay to much in transfer fees for those players though and they where prob led to believe getting them for free or cheap was a bargain at the time and didnt take much note of their contracts(in the same way they didnt know how much they where paying berg)

[Mr. E]

Are there really over 30 trolls/Burnley fans on here?

[Rover-the-Top]

Are there really over 30 trolls/Burnley fans on here?

And that comment sums up what is wrong with this site. There are many legitimate reasons why another change of manager would be disastrous for the club. Yet stand by the manager and you're dismissed as a troll or a Burnley fan?

You only need to look around at other clubs or at our own history to see that sacking the manager isn't a quick fix that suddenly brings better results. It can work, but often clubs make the move just because it's something they can do, even though it doesn't address what's really wrong. I genuinely think Gary Bowyer is doing a decent job as our manager, and whilst in theory we could do better, we could do much, much worse. He took over a team that was in a complete mess and struggling to stay in this division, overhauled the squad and got us back up towards the top end of the division. If he'd been allowed to tweak the squad in the way we're all used to, then maybe we'd have continued on an upward trajectory.

But the rules have changed. We've been restricted on what we can spend, had our hand forced into selling some of our better performers. Furthermore, we've been handicapped by a punishment that affects our competitiveness in this division. We don't have the same ability to deal with injuries, suspensions, drops in form and tired legs as the front-runners, we can't try to improve our squad with fresh signings. It would be seriously deluded to think we should be pushing for promotion this season, staying mid-table will be tough. The league have given us the embargo to make things difficult for us, that's the point of it.

With that in mind, I don't think Bowyer is doing a bad job, certainly not so poorly to warrant the sack. Sure, fans will disagree with some of his decisions, but that will be the case with whoever is in charge. No one is perfect, but the critics who always think they know best have little experience of putting it into practice. We've won more than we've lost under him, and I see that as a positive. And I realise the challenge has been made harder, and I can't imagine there will be a queue of top managers waiting to take over. New managers tend to want to do things their way, and recruit their own players. Anyone coming here will be restricted to the current squad, and face high expectations. I don't think the manager is the source of all our problems, even those with glittering reputations would find it difficult to improve under these conditions, if one was prepared to take the chance. I think it's more likely that a new man would struggle like Berg and Appleton did. And as a Rovers fan (not a troll or a Dingle), that's something I'd rather avoid.

[martonrover]

Evidently Huddersfield Town have more ambition than we do. Bowyer out.