[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[mhead]

There is a lot of evidence to say that across the whole Club we are nowhere near the right condition,standards,unity,calibre,professionalism and Northern grit to be promoted....and then somehow stay in the Premiership.

Look at most Clubs promoted and see what they need to stay up eg Leicester,Palace,Rovers(1992 to 98) and we cannot get anywhere near that benchmark level on ANY measure.

That's why talking of Top 6 spot is realistic for becoming 6th(plus the crowd enthusiasm it may engender) but on everything else we are bottom quartile. We need to Wake up and smell the Coffee cos its the Hope what kills you!

[JHRover]

The family split thing trotted out by Nixon is old hat as well, it's been that way since day one of the Venky regime. Most likely it's one or both of the brothers who may want change but as always big sis just wants to leave well alone. I doubt she's stopped them attending a few games or meetings with the manager though which poses it's own questions.

Remember this was the guy who loaned / sold Rhodes to Bolton & Wigan on the cheap because we couldn't pay his next instalment and desperately needed him off the wage bill, just before they handed him a pay rise !

The 'family split' scenario is an easy way for people to trot out whatever stories they want. Then when it doesn't happen they can point to a 'family split' as the reason.

So when Rhodes is supposedly on his way but then doesn't leave it is because one of the family didn't agree to sell him, or when new managers are apparently being lined up yet the existing one remains in place it is because 'some people' in the organisation want a change but it doesn't happen because Mrs D doesn't agree.

Basically its a licence to print/type whatever stories certain people want to (Alan Nixon) and then when they don't actually happen the excuse is that it was going to or someone was trying to make it happen but that Mrs D stopped it.

I'm still struggling, even after 5 years, to believe that an organisation that size could operate on such a basis. How can Desai be the boss when by some accounts it is Balaji's own money funding the club and she admits he knows more about football than she does?

[tomphil]

The 'family split' scenario is an easy way for people to trot out whatever stories they want. Then when it doesn't happen they can point to a 'family split' as the reason.

So when Rhodes is supposedly on his way but then doesn't leave it is because one of the family didn't agree to sell him, or when new managers are apparently being lined up yet the existing one remains in place it is because 'some people' in the organisation want a change but it doesn't happen because Mrs D doesn't agree.

Basically its a licence to print/type whatever stories certain people want to (Alan Nixon) and then when they don't actually happen the excuse is that it was going to or someone was trying to make it happen but that Mrs D stopped it.

I'm still struggling, even after 5 years, to believe that an organisation that size could operate on such a basis. How can Desai be the boss when by some accounts it is Balaji's own money funding the club and she admits he knows more about football than she does?

Although there is no doubt some truth to them being split at times on all things Rovers I agree it's Nicko's get out of jail spin card. Also probably Venkys themselves when in reality they probably don't even discuss anything to do with Rovers till they have the next family business meeting which is why nowt ever gets done.

[martonrover]

Pearson being linked with Forest. If they get him it'll put paid to all the talk about not being able to attract a decent manager whilst under embargo. Seriously galling.

[RibbleValleyRover]

There is a lot of evidence to say that across the whole Club we are nowhere near the right condition,standards,unity,calibre,professionalism and Northern grit to be promoted....and then somehow stay in the Premiership.

Look at most Clubs promoted and see what they need to stay up eg Leicester,Palace,Rovers(1992 to 98) and we cannot get anywhere near that benchmark level on ANY measure.

That's why talking of Top 6 spot is realistic for becoming 6th(plus the crowd enthusiasm it may engender) but on everything else we are bottom quartile. We need to Wake up and smell the Coffee cos its the Hope what kills you!

Probably true, I think if we did get promoted the chances of staying in the league for the following season would be slim. But promotion is worth it, the financial rewards are huge in terms of revenue and the parachute payments if Rovers did get relegated. I would take one season of Premier League football over mid-table at best, flirting with relegation worst in the Championship.

For the good of the club especially the longer term future we need promotion badly.

Not sure I buy into Venky's sudden urgency to desire Premier League football, if they really wanted it they would have made changes a while ago. Of course the financial situation is a lot worse now, but we had a more realistic chance of promotion back then.

[Athlete]

The 'family split' scenario is an easy way for people to trot out whatever stories they want. Then when it doesn't happen they can point to a 'family split' as the reason.

So when Rhodes is supposedly on his way but then doesn't leave it is because one of the family didn't agree to sell him, or when new managers are apparently being lined up yet the existing one remains in place it is because 'some people' in the organisation want a change but it doesn't happen because Mrs D doesn't agree.

Basically its a licence to print/type whatever stories certain people want to (Alan Nixon) and then when they don't actually happen the excuse is that it was going to or someone was trying to make it happen but that Mrs D stopped it.

I'm still struggling, even after 5 years, to believe that an organisation that size could operate on such a basis. How can Desai be the boss when by some accounts it is Balaji's own money funding the club and she admits he knows more about football than she does?

because after 5 years it was a scam/sham from day one .....something isnt right has you say as no organisation of that size operates on such a basis

[den]

It isn't operating on Balajis money.

Up until the arrival of Venkys, this club had only existed for one reason, to win football games. That changed when they arrived. Their primary reason for buying the club was for publicity, - for their own gains. Results suffered under their stewardship simply because they didn't know the first thing about how to succeed in running a professional football club. This is where we're currently at. We are of no use to them any more. There is zero chance of anyone offering them cash to take over the club. They're business people, not football people.

That's the problem.

[JHRover]

It isn't operating on Balajis money.

Up until the arrival of Venkys, this club had only existed for one reason, to win football games. That changed when they arrived. Their primary reason for buying the club was for publicity, - for their own gains. Results suffered under their stewardship simply because they didn't know the first thing about how to succeed in running a professional football club. This is where we're currently at. We are of no use to them any more. There is zero chance of anyone offering them cash to take over the club. They're business people, not football people.

That's the problem.

Business people they may well be, but surely the only sensible target for them to get themselves out of this mess is to get back to the Premier League?

With that in mind they should be moving heaven and earth to get promotion asap.

They might not understand football but they must know a thing or two about business and know by now that the only way to salvage money/good publicity is to do whatever is necessary to get promotion.

[den]

Business people they may well be, but surely the only sensible target for them to get themselves out of this mess is to get back to the Premier League?

With that in mind they should be moving heaven and earth to get promotion asap.

They might not understand football but they must know a thing or two about business and know by now that the only way to salvage money/good publicity is to do whatever is necessary to get promotion.

Completely agree, but football people would know how to go about it. They appointed Paul Hunt at one point, then sacked him apparently over a leaked letter. Seems that that made their mind up that they can't trust anyone outside themselves.

[JHRover]

Surely though as business people they would know the importance of appointing the right people who specialise in the industry and pay them to get on with sorting things out.

All this talk about them not trusting people after the Kean debacle I don't buy.

So they had their fingers burnt by bad advice which cost them a fortune. The answer to that isn't to go into their shell and leave the club rudderless. The answer is to use some of their considerable wealth to pay the best in the business to turn the club around. Not employing a joke board of directors who can't/won't make decisions and don't know what is going on.

[den]

So they had their fingers burnt by bad advice which cost them a fortune. The answer to that isn't to go into their shell and leave the club rudderless. The answer is to use some of their considerable wealth to pay the best in the business to turn the club around. Not employing a joke board of directors who can't/won't make decisions and don't know what is going on.

I agree with you, but that's where we are.

[Amo]

Surely though as business people they would know the importance of appointing the right people who specialise in the industry and pay them to get on with sorting things out.

If only it were that simple. When you have cultural differences, over-inflated egos, and conflicts of interest playing their part, it's no wonder we're in the state we're in.

[tomphil]

As well as time differences and still a failure to accept football doesn't work like any other business. You can't stand still for years keeping your head above water because by the season you lose touch with those around you.

Also I'm not sure it's Balaji's actual money keeping us going but more like his provision of guarantees to the BOI. Also let's not forget that after the last round of outgoings the sales under Venkys tenure must be around the 60+ mill mark !!!

[chor808]

Ok I got a reply to my email about the rock incident. Make of it what you will.

Thanks for your e-mail with regards to the comments made by the Manager.

We can clarify that he was not referring to supporters with these comments , they were directed at some so called experts and journalists who only attend Ewood Park on a limited basis. When the Manager refers “The Ground” he was not referring to the stadium.

Thank you for your continued support.

[Rover_Shaun]

Ok I got a reply to my email about the rock incident. Make of it what you will.

Thanks for your e-mail with regards to the comments made by the Manager.

We can clarify that he was not referring to supporters with these comments , they were directed at some so called experts and journalists who only attend Ewood Park on a limited basis. When the Manager refers “The Ground” he was not referring to the stadium.

Thank you for your continued support.

Wow. I just logged in to say I got the exact same copy and paste reply from Lyndsey Talbot

The original comment for context

"There was a lot of emotion attached to Saturday's defeat," he added. "It's nearly Halloween and you see people coming out for the ground you haven't seen for 18 months.

"They'll probably go back in and hide under the stone for another couple of games, but that's just part and parcel of football."

Listening to the audio their is no inference what so ever that he was referring to experts and journalists.

B*llS*t

[tomphil]

I don't think there is any doubt it was aimed at a section of supporters. Most journos have been quite kind to him and us this season and we got good write ups after the performance against the scruffs so why would he need to have a pop at them ?

[K-Hod]

I don't think there is any doubt it was aimed at a section of supporters.

In any event, there's absolutely no way they'd ever admit that would they though? Especially not via official communication....

[tomphil]

In any event, there's absolutely no way they'd ever admit that would they though? Especially not via official communication....

Of course not but their reply in no way tallies with the way the comments spilled out of him.

[chor808]

In any event, there's absolutely no way they'd ever admit that would they though? Especially not via official communication....

I did ask if he would come forward and make a brief statement to clarify. We will see.

[AllRoverAsia]

Feel a bit sorry for Lynsey Talbot having to put her name to a blatant lie - imo. Our Commercial & Communications Director kept well away from it.

Bottom line is some of us live in the ground under a stone and are also thought to be f'ing stupid to even consider this fairy story.

[Athlete]

Surely though as business people they would know the importance of appointing the right people who specialise in the industry and pay them to get on with sorting things out.

All this talk about them not trusting people after the Kean debacle I don't buy.

So they had their fingers burnt by bad advice which cost them a fortune. The answer to that isn't to go into their shell and leave the club rudderless. The answer is to use some of their considerable wealth to pay the best in the business to turn the club around. Not employing a joke board of directors who can't/won't make decisions and don't know what is going on.

c'mon JH they knew exactly what they were getting into...it's just that possibly they got out done by bigger Charlatans...

[Athlete]

Business people they may well be, but surely the only sensible target for them to get themselves out of this mess is to get back to the Premier League?

With that in mind they should be moving heaven and earth to get promotion asap.

They might not understand football but they must know a thing or two about business and know by now that the only way to salvage money/good publicity is to do whatever is necessary to get promotion.

+ this is where questions get asked why not go all out for promotion ????.....

Huddersfield gambling on Klopp's assistant wanted at Liverpool

QPR Warnock about to turn the underachievers around ? ( his CV for promotion 2nd to none )

Forest also under FFP and mad owners linked with Pearson ( we should be all over him )

[Tom]

Ha ha brilliant so he was randomly having a dig at the journos who are so kind to him - yeah right pull the other one!

[DE.]

Can't blame the club for trying to spin it that way, even though we all know that isn't what he meant. Hopefully somebody has had a word with him, and he'll avoid making such statements going forward. The last thing we need is another manager who completely alienates the fanbase.

[Baz]

Ok I got a reply to my email about the rock incident. Make of it what you will.

Thanks for your e-mail with regards to the comments made by the Manager.[/size]

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We can clarify that he was not referring to supporters with these comments , they were directed at some so called experts and journalists who only attend Ewood Park on a limited basis. When the Manager refers “The Ground” he was not referring to the stadium. [/size]

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Thank you for your continued support.[/size]

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That's what the people running the club think of the fans, they think we are idiots.

Feel sorry that Lyndsey Talbot has put her name to this.