[Archived] Gary Bowyer

[Pedro]

Bowyer has said the sides level dropped yesterday, an honest assessment I'd say.

The players at his disposal are always going to be up and down form wise, thats why they're free transfers and not playing at a higher level.

It had dropped but he is homing in on a flash in the pan run of effort, whilst choosing to overlook that a standard Rovers performance was exactly like yesterday. Even within that amazing run (that I'm sure he'll refer to until he leaves) we didn't really win many matches. We failed to score for 495 minutes of football...but he'll skirt over that.

[Stuart]

Thats debatable Stuart, I was talking to an Ipswich fan at work last week and he says they're rubbish, had 'The rub of the green last season' and Micks managed to turn a 27 goal striker into a useless lump!

Nowt like football fans eh

Football fans are always down on their own team because that's the one they watch. But the cold facts are there.

It's funny, the more experienced the manager, the more they get 'the rub of the green'.

[T J Hooker]

We are now where we always were. Except today we have massive overheads.

Jack's legacy was to bequeath a club at this level too big for the town and local support. Without wise investment and sound management we were always an accident waiting to happen.

Can't make my mind up about Bowyer. But if he goes, Venks need plan like a fish needs water.

I'd say we are also in just as poor a state as we where when 'Saint Bowyer our lord and saviour' took the reigns.

[DanielMB]

Now would be a perfect time to can him. Get Jokanovic in and he will 10 days with the players before next game.

[DE.]

It takes Venky's months to make a decision. If he was sacked now they'd probably have decided it some time in the summer and only just got around to doing it.

I don't think his position is under threat at all, anyway. He might need another 3000%er in January to continue impressing Desai though.

[chaddyrovers]

Now would be a perfect time to can him. Get Jokanovic in and he will 10 days with the players before next game.

If the owners are happy with finishing mid table(9th-16th) this season then Bowyer is the man for that. I would let him carry on in the job and I will back him.

But if we want promotion then we need a new manager in cos Bowyer has done good job but just CANT take us that extra step and get us promote sadly. wish he could but he cant.

I wouldn't be shock to see the Owner's advisors made contact with Jokanovic again(already have once according to media reports) now it's the international break and convince him to take the job. if we can't get him then lets made a shortlist and start speaking with them.

my shortlist would be:- Nigel Pearson, Paul Lambert, Tim Sherwood, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Ian Holloway, Stuart McCall, Gareth Ainsworth, Dean Smith(Walsall manager)

[Mattyblue]

Simply unreal expectations from a fan base spoon fed on success and Premiership football.

Unreal expectations ay? A bit like the fans that thought potting Allardyce was a good idea as we would then play in the mythical 'right way', how did that work out?

I've been spoon fed nothing, I always knew we were one bad sacking and appointment from throwing it all away, I was right, others were badly, badly wrong.

I also now do not expect to charge to promotion, even without embargo we are not one of the league's big hitters- yet as Burnley, Watford, Bournemouth, Blackpool, Swansea etc have proven over the last 5 years you don't need to be in this league.

I simply expect us to be competitive, especially as we have a decent collection of players. We will go to PNE on the 21st November with three wins, this is unacceptable, yet asking for more, for calling out the complacent attitudes and inertia that has engulfed the entire operation is akin to being 'spoon fed success' and having 'unreal expectations'.

It's not good enough at any level and as the 'you don't know what your doings' rang out yesterday and with the fury I heard walking up Livesey Branch Road, it looks as if his race is run with much of the crowd, and not a moment too soon.

[K-Hod]

Just out of interest Chaddy, why would anyone who loves this club not want us to get promoted?

[J*B]

If the owners are happy with finishing mid table(9th-16th) this season then Bowyer is the man for that. I would let him carry on in the job and I will back him.

But if we want promotion then we need a new manager in cos Bowyer has done good job but just CANT take us that extra step and get us promote sadly. wish he could but he cant.

I wouldn't be shock to see the Owner's advisors made contact with Jokanovic again(already have once according to media reports) now it's the international break and convince him to take the job. if we can't get him then lets made a shortlist and start speaking with them.

my shortlist would be:- Nigel Pearson, Paul Lambert, Tim Sherwood, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Ian Holloway, Stuart McCall, Gareth Ainsworth, Dean Smith(Walsall manager)

Why does it matter what his targets are as to whether you back him or not? You either agree with the direction he is taking this club and support him, or you are unhappy with the way things are going and would like a change.

Honestly this place is a joke, so many bumbling morons that know nothing but football manager 2015.

[chaddyrovers]

Just out of interest Chaddy, why would anyone who loves this club not want us to get promoted?

I want promotion, I wanted 3 seasons ago.

After Kean left here, we should have appoint someone like Holloway who could got us promote that season. Instead we didn't and we had the most crazy season I've ever know as a Rovers fan with Shebby here and his comments he made, 3 permanent managers, etc.

But that question needs to be put to the owners.

Alan Nixon reported last week that the Owners and their owners advisors still wanted promotion this season.

[DE.]

Honestly this place is a joke, so many bumbling morons that know nothing but football manager 2015.

You're entitled to your opinion, but kindly keep FM out of it.

[Waggy76]

I cannot help thinking the FFP is a wonderful smokescreen for Bowyer , Shaw and Myers to hide behind ...

As for the owners they are just wealthy clueless idiots , who do not care .....

Bring on administration ...

[AllRoverAsia]

I want promotion, I wanted 3 seasons ago.

After Kean left here, we should have appoint someone like Holloway who could got us promote that season. Instead we didn't and we had the most crazy season I've ever know as a Rovers fan with Shebby here and his comments he made, 3 permanent managers, etc.

But that question needs to be put to the owners.

Alan Nixon reported last week that the Owners and their owners advisors still wanted promotion this season.

If there was a grain of truth in Nixon's source then Bowyer will be sacked. I will not be holding my breath.

On the Symons sacking, with Fulham 12th in the Championship and eight points short of the play-off places, chairman Shahid Khan said: "It is now time to take Fulham to the higher level of success that we expect from our manager and our players."

We can only wish.

[Gav]

Unreal expectations ay? A bit like the fans that thought potting Allardyce was a good idea as we would then play in the mythical 'right way', how did that work out?

I've been spoon fed nothing, I always knew we were one bad sacking and appointment from throwing it all away, I was right, others were badly, badly wrong.

I also now do not expect to charge to promotion, even without embargo we are not one of the league's big hitters- yet as Burnley, Watford, Bournemouth, Blackpool, Swansea etc have proven over the last 5 years you don't need to be in this league.

I simply expect us to be competitive, especially as we have a decent collection of players. We will go to PNE on the 21st November with three wins, this is unacceptable, yet asking for more, for calling out the complacent attitudes and inertia that has engulfed the entire operation is akin to being 'spoon fed success' and having 'unreal expectations'.

It's not good enough at any level and as the 'you don't know what your doings' rang out yesterday and with the fury I heard walking up Livesey Branch Road, it looks as if his race is run with much of the crowd, and not a moment too soon.

Why posters keep bringing up Sunderlands manager is beyond me, if you like him so much go and watch them.

As for being right and wrong, it counts for nothing because its down to those 3 stooges in India to make the decisions not us.

We have a cr@p squad with a couple of decent players thrown into the mix, if you think we should be performing better with the likes of Spurr, Henley, Delfons, Williamson, Apkan and Koita you my friend have unreal expectations.

The squad is together and they're playing for the manager, results are not good enough I agree, but I think we're at our natural level in terms of the quality of players we have.

[DE.]

So you think the likes of Birmingham and Ipswich have better squads than us? Give over.

[Hasta]

Why posters keep bringing up Sunderlands manager is beyond me, if you like him so much go and watch them.

As for being right and wrong, it counts for nothing because its down to those 3 stooges in India to make the decisions not us.

We have a cr@p squad with a couple of decent players thrown into the mix, if you think we should be performing better with the likes of Spurr, Henley, Delfons, Williamson, Apkan and Koita you my friend have unreal expectations.

The squad is together and they're playing for the manager, results are not good enough I agree, but I think we're at our natural level in terms of the quality of players we have.

I think the squad is a lot better than you portray. However either it is better and GB can't get the best out of it, or he has assembled a poor squad. Which is it?

Remember that until last summer we hardly had to sell anyone and we were still failing to achieve getting near top 6.

[tomphil]

Half the clubs in this Div haven't got better squads than us and a similar amount will have a wage bill of far less for the members of that actual squad. If we finish bang in the middle without any injuries to key players then I suppose you could argue that's about right.

To be honest though I really wouldn't bet on that unless we conjure the usual late season run of form to gloss everything over again. Fact is he cocked it up big time last season and he and the majority of his team under achieved, this season so far the same is happening. Last season I lay the blame very much at his door but this time so far there have been other circumstances obviously involved BUT a familiar pattern is forming yet again in terms of the non urgency to win games regularly.

Traditionally we seem to have poor form through the winter months, if that's repeated things won't look so comfortable average just over a point a game.

[West Yorks Rover]

For those having a go at Mick M'Carthy his team have won twice as many games as GB's Rovers, are now only 4 points off the top 6 and

Murphy scored a hat trick yesterday for good measure.

Play offs again ?

It wouldn't surprise me. top bloke !

Oh and crowds at Ipswich seem to be up this season too.

[K-Hod]

I think the squad is a lot better than you portray. However either it is better and GB can't get the best out of it, or he has assembled a poor squad. Which is it?

Remember that until last summer we hardly had to sell anyone and we were still failing to achieve getting near top 6.

That's what I like, logic and cold hard facts.

Or, 'spoilt, premiership, spoon fed fans'...

[martonrover]

For those having a go at Mick M'Carthy his team have won twice as many games as GB's Rovers, are now only 4 points off the top 6 and

Murphy scored a hat trick yesterday for good measure.

Play offs again ?

It wouldn't surprise me. top bloke !

Oh and crowds at Ipswich seem to be up this season too.

For all the lack of open dissent from the people who still attend matches at Ewood Park, the falling attendances surely should be enough to stir Venky's into actually doing something.

If similar statistics were evident in any of their core businesses they would surely act.

[Stuart]

For all the lack of open dissent from the people who still attend matches at Ewood Park, the falling attendances surely should be enough to stir Venky's into actually doing something.

If similar statistics were evident in any of their core businesses they would surely act.

The fans will be blamed for staying away. Anyone who tells Venkys how it is doesn't stay in post long. "No, no, it's not disillusionment in Bowyer or the owners, it's the lack of PL football that is keeping the spoon-fed, plastic fans away." Heck, this is already what people like Parsonblue think so it's hardly a stretch to think that those whose beyond-their-wildest-dreams salaries rely on it.

You wonder what will happen when our attendances make us minnows in the Championship. Will the owners even be aware? What would the spin be then? Another relegation would probably help explain that one. With the likes of Wigan, Bolton, Bury, Blackpool, Sheffield United, Coventry, Millwall, Swindon, Crewe, Barnsley, down there it wouldn't be that unthinkable either.

The idea that "they still want promotion this season" is laughable considering their apparent satisfaction in the direction in which Bowyer is taking the club. Draw specialists don't get a team promoted, and are more likely to squeak to safety on the final day. Much like a draw against Brentford, avoiding relegation would be "a magnificent achievement" given the fact that "we are under an embargo dontcha know".

[blueboy3333]

Honestly this place is a joke, so many bumbling morons that know nothing but football manager 2015.

If only we could all be charming football experts...you're like a cross between Bill Shankly & Nigel Havers.

We are truly blessed.

[G Somerset Rover]

@MOgdenTelegraph: If David Moyes is sacked by @RealSociedadEN, could be bad news for Neil Lennon or Gary Bowyer. Bolton or Blackburn could tempt Moyes...

For the love of God shelfy. Try to do your first and last good thing for the club and then bugger off.

[yoda]

I reckon the Venky's are waiting for Moyes to be potted, as advised by Degsy

[Stuart]

I reckon the Venky's are waiting for Moyes to be potted to be, as advised by Degsy