[Archived] Ask Your Questions To Shaw, Myers, Bowyer

[Amo]

Terry is a decent guy who is Rovers to the core.

In other words, another superfan.

[Parsonblue]

Terry is an arsehole Parson, Rovers to the core or not. Sounds like he acted like one last night also and spoilt the final part of the evening.

Couldn't disagree more on that Gav. I've always found him a decent bloke.

In other words, another superfan.

You really do seem to have a problem with supporters who actually SUPPORT the club. Sad really.

[sambo]

I couldn't go last night but sounds like it's another case of someone being a 'better fan' than others because he thinks everything is hunky dory and has always 'got behind the lads'.

It's tiresome, and ironically (even during the protest years) it was those people who were the most aggressive and likely to resort to physical violence/threats against fellow supporters.

[K-Hod]

Couldn't disagree more on that Gav. I've always found him a decent bloke.

You really do seem to have a problem with supporters who actually SUPPORT the club. Sad really.

What about last night though? The only reason I ask is quite a number of comments about the evening mentioned Terry's name, and not in a good light.

[Amo]

You really do seem to have a problem with supporters who actually blindly SUPPORT the club. Sad really.

Here, let me fix that for you.

[47er]

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You really do seem to have a problem with supporters who actually SUPPORT the club. Sad really.

Supporters with no contextual ability, no vision, can't see beyond next weekend, that's what I have a problem with.

People who've stuck with everything that's happened for the last 5 years.

People who think we've simply returned to normal times after a temporary high.

[Gav]

Couldn't disagree more on that Gav. I've always found him a decent bloke.

I don't want to get into an argument about him, he's an idiot in my opinion and definitely spoilt the evening for many, some who don't come on this site are complaining about his behavior Parson, so on this occasion I think you're wrong.

[AllRoverAsia]

There has been some clever wording used here with ''actually support'' being lent in the direction of someone who supports Rovers and will accept no criticism in their direction in any form as opposed to someone who supports Rovers but feels compelled to criticise those aspects which they consider wrong or badly managed.

I could go on but cannot be bothered swimming uphill.

[Tom]

In fairness it wasn't till the last 15 minutes or so he was shouting out, the first time he spoke out it seemed a lot were in agreement with him but people then lost patience with repeated interruptions:

Some of the blokes at the back were no better with the heckling:

[RibbleValleyRover]

So it's being broadcasted on Radio Lancs tonight? Will give it a listen.

Not sure I buy into this there needs to be 20,000+ attendance to make Rovers competitive financially. When you look around the league there are clubs with falling attendances, some way below the 20,000 and they are competitive. Hell some of these clubs in this league can't afford £10,000 per player wages (granted they can pay more in transfer fees), but Rovers can.

FFP is an excuse for underachievement. Look at the table, teams are doing more with less.

[T J Hooker]

There's fans and then there's fanatics, gladltim just a fan(i dont have that unhealthfully obsessive nature to be a fanatic)

[Blue blood]

observations.

They haven't heard from the owners for around three weeks.

During the season, the owners just let them get on with things.

The owners are busy with other business interests.

No targets set, but they (the owners) would "like" promotion.

Club set to lose just under 20 mill

One player sale of under 5 mill should see us out of embargo.

If we start spending again, we'll be back in it.

Need gates of 20000 to be able to compete in this league.

Shaw signs contracts without reading them and because he was told to. (already done that). Well actually he did read the the Best and Etuhu contracts, thought they were outrageous, but signed them because he was told to. He was told the Berg contract was the same as Keans (even though it wasn't) so signed it without reading it.

Bowyer thinks everything is down to bad luck, or occasional defensive lapses. Nothing to do with actually playing badly.

In my opinion, I saw nothing from anyone (owners/Myers/Shaw/Bowyer) that suggests any of 'em have the abilities or know how - to move us forwards.

Can't say any of this surprises me and sums up what we've seen and head from the club.

Shaw should be fired - damned by the words from his own mouth - based on what he's reported to have said. Not sure if I'm more worried that 1) he is that incompetent or 2) he is so protected/secure that he can admit to it in a fans forum and remain safe.

Regardless of views on Bowyer he is never going to be at his best without any sort of pressure or targets. How does he know what to aim for, what's going to class as failure - it's a real mess. What will motivate him to do better? Never, ever in football have I seen a club with so little clue or direction.

Also if the 20K needed and the spend and we're embargoed are true the picture is as grim as suspected. Which makes you wonder why haven't the club made more effort to get disillusioned and "fair weather" fans back onside. Seems an obvious strategy for solving the problem but no-one at Rovers seems too bothered to give solutions.

Also surely the club should've ejected those who were shouting other fans opinions down?

[den]

So it's being broadcasted on Radio Lancs tonight? Will give it a listen.

Not sure I buy into this there needs to be 20,000+ attendance to make Rovers competitive financially. When you look around the league there are clubs with falling attendances, some way below the 20,000 and they are competitive. Hell some of these clubs in this league can't afford £10,000 per player wages (granted they can pay more in transfer fees), but Rovers can.

FFP is an excuse for underachievement. Look at the table, teams are doing more with less.

Well, we have 12000 regulars now. We're losing tens of millions annually and are nowhere near promotion.

[Gav]

Shaw should be fired - damned by the words from his own mouth - based on what he's reported to have said. Not sure if I'm more worried that 1) he is that incompetent or 2) he is so protected/secure that he can admit to it in a fans forum and remain safe.

Absolutely, but I get the feeling he knows he'll not get fired, and even if he does he'll get paid out like his mate Agnew, he's a leach, sucking cash out of the club and doesn't care who knows it.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Well, we have 12000 regulars now. We're losing tens of millions annually and are nowhere near promotion.

And we all know promotion is the only way to fix that financial mess.

I would have expected a more stronger view on promotion being necessary from the likes of Shaw, from reading the comments from the meeting so far it sounds like it was rather downplayed.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I wasn't there, my point mainly being that some fans will kick off royally if you try and even attempt to criticise the club, not my approach but there you go.

And what an odd mentality to demonstrate.

Do these people go through life believing everything they are told? do they not possess the fibre to question situations that are clearly not right and far from the norm?

Imo anyone reacting aggressively to a differing opinion shows a lack of baseline intelligence.

So to summarise the situation,we are still losing money hand over fist,our abstaining owners have little interest and the main individuals running the club are under zero pressure to deliver any targets that could be classed as progress.

All is well..we bumble on.

[den]

I suggest not getting too hung up on this figure of 20000. To be fair to Shaw, he was asked how many fans we need to be competitive. His first answer was "more than we have now". How many more? "well 20000". It wasn't a figure that had been kind of agreed by people at the club, it was more a figure that came up when he was pushed. That situation is fluid isn't it? There is no actual attendance figure that dictates when we're competitive and when we're not. Shaw used Derby as an example of a club that gets gates of 30000 more than once. It stands to reason that financially we can't compete with the bigger clubs in this league - and that finances are so very important. But yeah, he used that figure, but don't get too hung up about it being an absolute figure.

[Amo]

I suggest not getting too hung up on this figure of 20000. To be fair to Shaw, he was asked how many fans we need to be competitive. His first answer was "more than we have now". How many more? "well 20000". It wasn't a figure that had been kind of agreed by people at the club, it was more a figure that came up when he was pushed. That situation is fluid isn't it? There is no actual attendance figure that dictates when we're competitive and when we're not. Shaw used Derby as an example of a club that gets gates of 30000 more than once. It stands to reason that financially we can't compete with the bigger clubs in this league - and that finances are so very important. But yeah, he used that figure, but don't get too hung up about it being an absolute figure.

I hope you're not suggesting that Shaw responded without actually thinking it through.

That would be very unbecoming of our MD.

[yoda]

My mate was there and told me a young lad put a good case forward for lowering the ticket prices against burnley in order to try and fill the place etc. For me he makes a very good point.

Annoying to hear that he then gets shot down by 'superfan' terry, shouting 'they aren't real fans. '

It wasn't just "Terry" a women at the back joined in by dissing the stay away fans, nice way of trying to encourage them back, NOT.

GB was the only one of the 3 to try to answer questions based on knowledge, the other 2 did not know the answer to 99% of the questions asked. Just how much support they are giving the manager must be in question.

Degsy all night was either assuming things or not knowing anything due to only just being in the job ! except when he tried to put Glen down.

Disgraceful that not one of the three knew if the owners were trapping up for the derby game, you know, the oldest most passionate derby in English football.

Lead by example Venky's and you may see the attendances rise, plus it's not the snow season yet.

On the whole some great questions asked, Glen got a bit carried away at one point and Degsy tried to put him down with a sarky comment when he suddenly remembered that Glen sat on table with Shabby at KGH (even though it was before his time, selective memory or what)

There was a lot of references to supporters etc being/not being passionate during the evening and when one supporters passion boiled over he was criticised by Andy Baines at the end, did not think that was appropriate to be honest it was always going to be a charged atmosphere for some.

Last point I would make is that GB was the only one who looked like a professional representative of Blackburn Rovers on the night, Degsy looked like a barrow boy and sick note looked and sounded like all his answers on the night, incomplete and shabby.

[only2garners]

I suggest not getting too hung up on this figure of 20000. To be fair to Shaw, he was asked how many fans we need to be competitive. His first answer was "more than we have now". How many more? "well 20000". It wasn't a figure that had been kind of agreed by people at the club, it was more a figure that came up when he was pushed. That situation is fluid isn't it? There is no actual attendance figure that dictates when we're competitive and when we're not. Shaw used Derby as an example of a club that gets gates of 30000 more than once. It stands to reason that financially we can't compete with the bigger clubs in this league - and that finances are so very important. But yeah, he used that figure, but don't get too hung up about it being an absolute figure.

The reality is of course that there isn't an exact number as what really matters is how much they are paying. There are plenty of other Championship teams with similar gates to us but who are charging quite a bit more for tickets.

[Blue blood]

So to summarise the situation,we are still losing money hand over fist,our abstaining owners have little interest and the main individuals running the club are under zero pressure to deliver any targets that could be classed as progress.

All is well..we bumble on.

And they wonder why we're struggling for fans...

[yoda]

And they wonder why we're struggling for fans...

Degsy did say the owners want promotion,

just a pity he is the wrong person to deliver it

[Blue blood]

Degsy did say the owners want promotion,

just a pity he is the wrong person to deliver it

In the most vague terms ever! Also didn't GB also say no specific targets (apologies if misread).

You're right though - he along with our owners top the list of why we won't get it.

[JHRover]

I'm sure that Accy Stanley and the other 70 Football League clubs would want to be promoted to the Premier League. Unfortunately it takes more than desire to do it. It requires a strategy, identity, plan, ruthless management, efficient and decisive management. Not to mention substantial investment in building and retaining a quality squad.

Do we have any of those? A decent squad all things considered. But a managing director that has little or no communication with the owners? It can't work like that.

The 20,000 crowds comment is nonsense. Gates of that size are the exception rather than the norm outside the Premier League.

We sell less executive boxes than some League Two clubs. We are the former Premier league Champions for God's sake!

I don't doubt Myers is working to sell more. But he's been here 2 years and the situation is frankly appalling for a club of our size. How much longer is it going to take to improve and sell some boxes?

[Athlete]

gutted I couldnt go last night due to work....I still want to know why any of those three are in the positions they are. ? three chancers of the highest order