[Archived] European Championship France 2016

[Mike Graham]

Woy for the Wovers

[Neal]

If Germany win it again and Low steps down we should be looking at him.

[joey_big_nose]

It's been said for years that the England kit weighs more than chainmail. Someone at the FA needs to start employing a psychologist to figure out how to lessen the load. Allardyce would be a good start. I've seen Sturridge, Sterling, Kane, Alli, and Rooney make the worlds best look foolish. They didn't become bad players in 2 weeks. It's all mental. Come September they'll be top banana again. Someone needs to figure out why.

I'd also advocate for a system similar to cricket and rugby. At the beginning of each international season, or qualifying start, a pool of 26/27 players is picked. Those players are in for the duration. The only way a player moves out if they get a long term injury; 6 months+.

This would promote camaraderie, understanding, confidence, familiarity, and most importantly prestige. Those players know that they are in an elite club. The boss knows who he has at his disposal. You could argue that they may get complacent but I'd say that players are happier when they are confident.

Agree with all of that.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I gave over caring about the England football team after the freak show that was the World Cup base at Baden Baden in 2006. The likes of Cashley Cole and other oxygen thieves stinking the place out, embarrassing the country and then having the bloody nerve to sell books off the back of it sickened me. All of it with a backdrop of WAGS parading around boutiques being followed by 'Hello' and gossip column journos and a team lead by a scandalously over paid foreigner who really didn't give a sh 1t.

I found last night's debacle mildly amusing so at least I'm not gutted like millions of others. Nowt we can do about it so not caring is the way forward. I only wish I could do the same with Rovers.

[Gav]

At least we've taken back our borders, we can refuse to let the useless @#/?s back in now.

[adopted scouser]

Fergie

[CAPT KAYOS]

I disagree, full backs static, been good attacking options in the group games, very poor tonight, the entire side looked like they'd been on the beer all week, not sure the manager could do anymore.

But my days of getting upset when England get knocked out of a tournament are long gone thankfully.

Gav -for me its a bit of both but moreso with Woy - as he said they did exactly as he asked of them - but there was a certainly a difference from the earlier group games to last nights performance

As mentioned before - it was Woy that I didn't have confidence in but after last night I don't have confidence in any of the players either now, there were no leaders or 'gut busters' with desire out there and for me it showed up exactly what the premiership is all about.

Interestingly enough, not sure if it has been mentioned - but Iceland started the same line up for the fourth game running.

As you say though the days of getting upset when England get knocked out are long gone for me also

Oh .. and lets not forget - Iceland deserve a lot of praise last night but at present this seems to have been forgotten

[dave birch]

I think the nature of Roy's decent stats is the nature of qualifiers and the fact we mainly play total useless sides but whenever we come across genuinely quality oppo or well drilled minnows when it matters we are always well short euro 2012, World Cup 2014 and euro 2016 I don't think we're any better now than when he took over. Perhaps worse

I view him as the Stuart Lancaster of football didn't do a lot wrong but not a winner so we can only hope for an Eddie Jones. Who has shown for the rugby team the difference a top class manager can make to effectively the same group of players.

The bloke you are looking for is Ange Postecoglu, current coach of the socceroos.

A proper coach, plays the game the right way, gets his guys fit and picks form players.

No prima donnas with him

[USABlue]

ls.

Yes, the Nats really showed their potent play against Argentina.

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Huh?

[Gav]

Sorry Gav, I have a lot of time for your opinions on here but I can't disagree more on Allardyce.

He'd be perfect for England. He would play to a system that he knows, all the while being able to motivate players.

It's been said for years that the England kit weighs more than chainmail. Someone at the FA needs to start employing a psychologist to figure out how to lessen the load. Allardyce would be a good start. I've seen Sturridge, Sterling, Kane, Alli, and Rooney make the worlds best look foolish. They didn't become bad players in 2 weeks. It's all mental. Come September they'll be top banana again. Someone needs to figure out why.

I'd also advocate for a system similar to cricket and rugby. At the beginning of each international season, or qualifying start, a pool of 26/27 players is picked. Those players are in for the duration. The only way a player moves out if they get a long term injury; 6 months+.

This would promote camaraderie, understanding, confidence, familiarity, and most importantly prestige. Those players know that they are in an elite club. The boss knows who he has at his disposal. You could argue that they may get complacent but I'd say that players are happier when they are confident.

All about opinions pal

[Audax]

Huh?

Team USA, the Nationals, Nats, got hammered 4-0.

[Gav]

The excuses you've made after every game have been hard to take, Gav, because this result has been coming. The only blessings are that we didn't have a further half hour of that crap and we didn't have to face France - who would have destroyed our papier-mâché side.

Wrong call-ups, wrong selections, wrong formations, wrong subs. He got £3m per season to do that.

We qualified easily out of a poor group because it suited Woy's style. His tournament record is much worse. In 7 matches, he won 1, drew 3, lost 3. I get 14%. Iceland have more wins after only 4 games.

My opinion should never be hard to take Stuart, its only an opinion pal, means absolutely diddly squat in the grand scheme of things!

In the group stages we battered Russia, battered Wales and battered Slovakia but didn't put the ball in the onion bag. It was so much better than Australia at home, Holland and Portugal in the run up to the tournament.

We could dissect it for the next few weeks, but I don't see the point, Roys gone now, the players let him down last night, they let the country down again.

I really thought this side showed glimpses that we could go all the way, but they capitulated last night and its over for another 2yrs.

[K-Hod]

My opinion should never be hard to take Stuart, its only an opinion pal, means absolutely diddly squat in the grand scheme of things!

In the group stages we battered Russia, battered Wales and battered Slovakia but didn't put the ball in the onion bag. It was so much better than Australia at home, Holland and Portugal in the run up to the tournament.

We could dissect it for the next few weeks, but I don't see the point, Roys gone now, the players let him down last night, they let the country down again.

I really thought this side showed glimpses that we could go all the way, but they capitulated last night and its over for another 2yrs.

They did let the country down Gav. So Did Roy though and whilst he's quit, he needs to take a lot of the blame for his lack of tactical acumen, squad selection and cluelessness.

I also think a lot of the problem is in the players' heads. They just froze last night and choked. We need some sort of psychologist to work overtime with them. Someone else made the point that it can't be right that these players will go back to their clubs, then in August be firing on all cylinders again. Mental. (Literally).....

[Stuart]

My opinion should never be hard to take Stuart, its only an opinion pal, means absolutely diddly squat in the grand scheme of things!

In the group stages we battered Russia, battered Wales and battered Slovakia but didn't put the ball in the onion bag. It was so much better than Australia at home, Holland and Portugal in the run up to the tournament.

We could dissect it for the next few weeks, but I don't see the point, Roys gone now, the players let him down last night, they let the country down again.

I really thought this side showed glimpses that we could go all the way, but they capitulated last night and its over for another 2yrs.

I see it the opposite to you. Roy let the players down and they responded in kind.

[oldjamfan1]

I'm not sure what is worse - the sickeningly poor performance or all the folk who couldn't wait to say "I told you so" within moments of the game finishing.

That doesn't just apply to this message board - I even had a so-called friend who is a LFC fan-Hodgson-hater text messaging me before the players were even off the pitch along those lines - it was as if he was gloating about the fact that he'd been right about Woy all along instead of being gutted because his country had just embarrassingly gone out of the tournament with barely a wimper.

You should all think yourselves lucky you didn't have to witness that in a pub in Glasgow with the 'Anyone But England' brigade. I really hope we d1ck that lot in November.

[arbitro]

Chris Smalling, the new Myles Anderson.

[K-Hod]

I'm not sure what is worse - the sickeningly poor performance or all the folk who couldn't wait to say "I told you so" within moments of the game finishing.

That doesn't just apply to this message board - I even had a so-called friend who is a LFC fan-Hodgson-hater text messaging me before the players were even off the pitch along those lines - it was as if he was gloating about the fact that he'd been right about Woy all along instead of being gutted because his country had just embarrassingly gone out of the tournament with barely a wimper.

You should all think yourselves lucky you didn't have to witness that in a pub in Glasgow with the 'Anyone But England' brigade. I really hope we d1ck that lot in November.

I've said it before, but there is an absolute obsession with some on here with being proven right, when it's all just words on a screen at the end of the day.

Re the last part, you're a braver man than I! I'd have just stopped in at home!!

[Lancaster Rover]

I think the idea that they have played well against Russia, Wales and Slovakia is total fallacy. In each game they went out without any tactical plan other than go and attack. There was no structure, no formation, just nothing. I've seen more organisation in park football. They have been totally devoid of any tactical nous or creativity, Christ our best attacking option has been an overlapping full back and a ball played inside a pedestrian/retired Russian full back, not exactly ground breaking stuff. The way England have played tactically is reminiscent of league 2 football.

[Husky]

So it wasn't a dream.

THEY REALLY WERE THAT PASSIONLESS.

Hodgson was absolutely @#/? clueless too. Worst England manager EVER - much worse than G.Taylor (who basically had Carlton Palmer to contend with and a good Dutch team to finish above).

[alexanders]

I am not surprised about Englands downfall as I predicted it. As I see it and compared to Poland, Italy, Iceland and also what I saw from Chile and Argentina in the copa America. Players fighting for each other. Tackles, running ( off and on the ball ) and eagerness to win the ball.

Many of the favourites have been very dissapointing Croatia, France, Portugal, Spain. Quality can take you far, but you can compensate a lot With 100% effort.

The teams often characterized by their Manager. No passion and Clue. Compare Woy to Conte.

Hope you go after a more "crazy" manager NeXT time.

And WTF was Rooney doing as a captain? Zero. He should have been sibstituted in the 60th minute.

England was and Premier League is ( unfortunately ) overpaid bunch of players.

[oldjamfan1]

If anyone does Twitter it is worth checking out Danny Baker's tweets from last night @prodnose

Let's just say he doesn't hold back!!

[Lancaster Rover]

Danny Baker wears a tinfoil hat

[alexanders]

The best Expression to the English team is:

NO GUTS - NO GLORY

[47er]

I'm not sure what is worse - the sickeningly poor performance or all the folk who couldn't wait to say "I told you so" within moments of the game.

The sickeningly poor performance.

[Gav]

They did let the country down Gav. So Did Roy though and whilst he's quit, he needs to take a lot of the blame for his lack of tactical acumen, squad selection and cluelessness.

I also think a lot of the problem is in the players' heads. They just froze last night and choked. We need some sort of psychologist to work overtime with them. Someone else made the point that it can't be right that these players will go back to their clubs, then in August be firing on all cylinders again. Mental. (Literally).....

We played badly last night, very badly, but are we going to ignore the group games where we battered all 3 sides we played?

The players let the manager down last night, end of story for me. It wasn't team selection, it wasn't tactics, it was terrible performances all over the pitch, we couldnt pass a ball 5yrds, that's not the managers fault!