[Archived] Mk Dons @ Stadium Mk, Saturday October 17Th 15:00 Ko

[arbitro]

Like I have said before the championship is so unpredictable to predict results.

Of course the sending off CHANGED the game. Look at BBC Radio Lancs commentator Allan Smart's comments about the sending off.

From the commentary it sounds like he missed a clear penalty when Rhodes got closelined in the box. I didnt know you could use WWE moves in Football. Haha

This hard luck story that Bowyer is harping on about is nonsense and really irritates me. Henley was poor in the extreme for the sending off. Simon Church missed an absolute dolly in the first half after Duffy erred again. In the second half Steele made three or four excellent saves as we were carved open. MK Dons also missed several good chances in the second half and could have had another penalty. Rhodes was fouled off the ball but I couldn't tell whether it was in the penalty area.

Don't get sucked in by Bowyers spin. I felt that 3-0 was a fair score on the balance of play and chances.

[chaddyrovers]

We all know that decisions go both for and against you in football.

Facts don't lie. We have won an abysmal 2 games out of 12 competitive games this season. A win ratio of 16.67% is shocking and should make the manager's position untenable.

Have got tickets for the Derby game but honestly don't feel I can be bothered now.

The refs are there to make the right decisions. Sadly in the football league the quality is very poor and quite often arent good enough to make right decisions.

We are in 15th place which is midtable. We arent EVEN in the bottom 8. There is 7 other teams who have won as many games as us or even less. So clearly not as shocking as you say.

[Gav]

We all know that decisions go both for and against you in football.

You take it on the chin and move on.

The constant bellyaching of Bowyer is tiresome. Can't recall him ever owning up to any decision that has gone for us to change the course of a match - all we get is how magnificent the lads were.

Facts don't lie. We have won an abysmal 2 games out of 12 competitive games this season. A win ratio of 16.67% is shocking and should make the manager's position untenable.

To be honest the constant bellyaching on here and typical monumental over reactions is that tiresome most have left the forum.

We played with 10 men for 80 minutes, what do people expect? Miracles evidently.

[Ricky]

The refs are there to make the right decisions. Sadly in the football league the quality is very poor and quite often arent good enough to make right decisions.

We are in 15th place which is midtable. We arent EVEN in the bottom 8. There is 7 other teams who have won as many games as us or even less. So clearly not as shocking as you say.

I don't think there is a huge question mark about the sending off is there chaddy? As far as I could tell Hanley was last man and had to go.

[AllRoverAsia]

The refs are there to make the right decisions. Sadly in the football league the quality is very poor and quite often arent good enough to make right decisions.

We are in 15th place which is midtable. We arent EVEN in the bottom 8. There is 7 other teams who have won as many games as us or even less. So clearly not as shocking as you say.

And as you full well know we are only at 15th on goal difference, we are joint 19th on points

[matt83]

I've long felt that bowyer mostly makes things worse for us when he makes substitutions and tactical changes but yesterday showed a tangible effect of his inept managerial ability. 1-0 down looking better side he then takes our best player off and rips the central midfield to pieces with an unfathomable double substitution. 3 mins later we concede. At 2-0 game dead but he tinkers again randomly bringing spurr on. Again 3 minutes later we concede.

That said he may have been thinking at only 1-0 game has gone (wasn't for me even with 10 men) and looked to save players for the derby next week but I doubt they and once again a demonstration he's a very competent head scout or coach but not a manager in a month of Sunday's.

So far I suspect apathy has stopped bowyer being targeted but should the dingles massacre us he will be right in the firing line.

[arbitro]

I've long felt that bowyer mostly makes things worse for us when he makes substitutions and tactical changes but yesterday showed a tangible effect of his inept managerial ability. 1-0 down looking better side he then takes our best player off and rips the central midfield to pieces with an unfathomable double substitution. 3 mins later we concede. At 2-0 game dead but he tinkers again randomly bringing spurr on. Again 3 minutes later we concede.

That said he may have been thinking at only 1-0 game has gone (wasn't for me even with 10 men) and looked to save players for the derby next week but I doubt they and once again a demonstration he's a very competent head scout or coach but not a manager in a month of Sunday's.

So far I suspect apathy has stopped bowyer being targeted but should the dingles massacre us he will be right in the firing line.

If anybody can explain the rationale behind bringing Spurr on for Olssen in the 89th minute when we were two down I would be grateful. I am beginning to think that he does ridiculous things like this so the players who come on will get their appearance money. I genuinely can't think of any other reason.

[AllRoverAsia]

I don't think there is a huge question mark about the sending off is there chaddy? As far as I could tell Hanley was last man and had to go.

Having now watched tv repeats in slow motion the MK player fouls Henley, off balance Henley makes some contact with the MK player just ouside the box and player speed takes the fall inside. A ref screw up twice over.

If anybody can explain the rationale behind bringing Spurr on for Olssen in the 89th minute when we were two down I would be grateful. I am beginning to think that he does ridiculous things like this so the players who come on will get their appearance money. I genuinely can't think of any other reason.

Nail on head - it's money.

[Tango]

To be honest the constant bellyaching on here and typical monumental over reactions is that tiresome most have left the forum.

We played with 10 men for 80 minutes, what do people expect? Miracles evidently.

I don't think that's totally fair.

We probably all realised it was going to be difficult to get anything from the game being down to 10 men, but you at least look to the manager to respond tactically and playing hoofball to the isolated Jordan Rhodes for the remainder of the game and then ballsing up the substitutions is where people have issue.

[the original david brent]

I went yesterday. Absolutely shocking defending by Henley, and it is even worse having seen it on the highlights. Why did he stop? Why did he try and check him? If he had simply sprinted he would have got to the ball first.

It would be an insult to Sunday league players to call it Sunday league defending. If I had defended like that on Pleasington I would get an absolute rollicking. I suspect Henley will get a pat on the back and an 'unlucky son' by his manager.

Having said all this having seen it on the highlights he does initially make contact outside the box.

I would also like to see the Rhodes penalty claim again in the first half. The ref gave a free kick for what appeared to be a carbon copy foul on Rhodes on the halfway line moments later.

Also a big shout out to Marshall who I thought was completely atrocious. His performance was an insult to the those of us who went to this game. I don't buy this 'out of position' lark. A decent athletic right footed player can hold his own at right back. Marshall just gave up. We may as well had not bothered with a right back.

[chaddyrovers]

I don't think there is a huge question mark about the sending off is there chaddy? As far as I could tell Hanley was last man and had to go.

Henley was last man but the foul started outside of the box

And as you full well know we are only at 15th on goal difference, we are joint 19th on points

But we are 15th. Goal difference does matter in the league.

[Gav]

I don't think that's totally fair.

We probably all realised it was going to be difficult to get anything from the game being down to 10 men, but you at least look to the manager to respond tactically and playing hoofball to the isolated Jordan Rhodes for the remainder of the game and then ballsing up the substitutions is where people have issue.

You could be right Tango, this site drives us all mad from time to time, but....

I listened to about 25 minutes of the second half as I drove through Lancashire, Mk Dons never had an attack until they scored the 2nd goal, it's was all 10 man Rovers, the commentary team very complementary for the effort and application, Bowyer had them fired up, so who's right and who's wrong?

[arbitro]

To be honest the constant bellyaching on here and typical monumental over reactions is that tiresome most have left the forum.

We played with 10 men for 80 minutes, what do people expect? Miracles evidently.

It's about people having an opinion. It may differ from yours but provided it doesn't breach any guidelines then it is acceptable. If people have left because of that it says more about them than somebody having a different opinion.

[AllRoverAsia]

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[Gav]

It's about people having an opinion.

Amen to that, you've be around for long enough to know I'm all for that, but it does get rather tiresome when people that have had zero exposure to the game slag every aspect of the performance, team selection and manager.

Anyway I've been drawn back in, I'm the idiot, back into Excile.

[1864roverite]

To be honest, I would like Bowyer to watch a game through my glasses because then he would see what we are all seeing instead of his lamentable excuses that pile forth after yet another clumsy loss.

A little spurt of postiveness and some clean sheets/points in the bags and it all goes flat with a flat, limp lameless effort against MK Dons. Not disrespecting them at all, but we should have buried them !

#BOWYER OUT

[Pedro]

To be honest the constant bellyaching on here and typical monumental over reactions is that tiresome most have left the forum.

We played with 10 men for 80 minutes, what do people expect? Miracles evidently.

RE: The bigger picture Gav, I'd love to know your honest answers to these questions.

Do you think he is good enough to indefinately manage Rovers?

Is his results record impressive or does it warrant justified criticism and major question marks over whether he is actually underperforming?

Historically, how many other Rovers managers would we allow to live off a very good couple of months almost three years ago?

Apologies if I am wrong but you continue to be very pro - protesting against the owners and promote that we should kick up a fuss towards them. Is this based on historical events or their current inactivity. If it is current inactivity (which would make sense) do you not feel that before that, we should be becoming more vocal against an underperforming manager to let them actually see we have issue with his performance and cut out the bullshit from the lines of communication that everyone is happy? I personally feel that as supporters, we have been exceptionally patient with him. But in his own deluded words, he has been very happy with performances for the last couple of years, I haven't been and I would seriously question his aspirations and sanity if he is speaking the truth...which he only does fleetingly.

[Tango]

You could be right Tango, this site drives us all mad from time to time, but....

I listened to about 25 minutes of the second half as I drove through Lancashire, Mk Dons never had an attack until they scored the 2nd goal, it's was all 10 man Rovers, the commentary team very complementary for the effort and application, Bowyer had them fired up, so who's right and who's wrong?

And that's where I have the biggest issue with Bowyer yesterday. His substitutions.

Second half we'd started on top, pressed MK Dons back and limited their attacks, but in Murphy they always had an out ball and he'd just begun to get the better of Marshall so it was clear he needed a bit of protection. Bowyer then brought Delfounseo on in front of him, who immediately left Marshall exposed, Murphy got down the left, crossed, and Church scored.

Evans and Akpan, who'd been spearheading the charge in the second half, got replaced in the middle by Williamson (who I think managed to go 25 minutes without touching the ball) and Lawrence, who barely got a kick from then on and MK Dons really could have scored at will.

[tomphil]

Seems to me we are suffering a bit yet again from having no real right back cover. Something a lot of us have been crowing about since the beginning of last season when we suffered as a result of not signing a proper right back and using Henley as cover whilst he continued to learn his trade.

Marshall gets moved yesterday and torn a new one just like Lowe did early last season at Wolves etc. The feeling amongst a few was we don't need a right back we have players who can cover there. Well we haven't now and just think of the delightful prospect of Marshall starting there v Derby and in the derby

Poor!

[AggyBlue]

I felt it was just a matter of time before we equalised during the second half. That is until Bowyers double substitution.

Akpan, who was driving the team forward through the middle was replaced by Delf, who went out wide right. I can see the logic behind Delf coming on but not for Akpan. Marshall needed help, he was getting ripped apart by their winger. I can't remember Delf doing anything.

Evans, who was doing alright was replaced by Williamson. We all know what he offers.

It just felt like we had thrown the game. The substitutions seemed to affect the rest of the team in a negative way.

Very poor from Henley. Panic stricken under pressure. He's the player Bowyer leaves on the centre line, on his own, when we have a corner. Ummmm.

[scotty_beam_me_up]

Unlucky to be down to ten men and I think we dealt with that pretty well. Around the hour mark we looked the team most likely to score. The as stated above the double substitution changed everything. Akpan certainly didn't look tired and was the driving force. Him and Evans were breaking up play and providing a platform for Conway, Rhodes and Lawrence. I just can't understand the change.

Marshall had to play most the game at right back so perhaps unfair to comment on his performance but he didn't look interested yesterday. I wonder if he knows he is the sale that Shaw said would take us out of the embargo.

[K-Hod]

Don't be so pathetic.

We should be seeing teams like MKD's off comfortably.

The sending off may have changed the game but according to my colleague at the match, Henley got wrong side off his man and who coaches / selects Henley ?

I think we are a shambles and the buck should stop with Bowyer.

Stop being an apologist for this clown of a manager.

You're being an apologist with Sherwood as well, trust me, if he was here you'd probably want him gone before long. He's got passion, but then so did Roy Keane...

Have you seen the goals they gifted yesterday? Good grief! Sherwood will be toast before long and will be lucky to get another job. Like so many managers he galvanises the new team for a bit with the new manager bounce them he gets found out. Villa should be higher in the league with the side they have, but they aren't. Sherwood is refreshing in his honesty, but then again so was Michael Appleton...

[rigger]

Ten minutes into a game why does the defender think that he has to stop a player at any cost? Let him go, see If he can finish, if he does, you are a goal behind ,get on with it, and try to win the game.

[Gav]

RE: The bigger picture Gav, I'd love to know your honest answers to these questions.

Do you think he is good enough to indefinately manage Rovers?

Is his results record impressive or does it warrant justified criticism and major question marks over whether he is actually underperforming?

Historically, how many other Rovers managers would we allow to live off a very good couple of months almost three years ago?

Apologies if I am wrong but you continue to be very pro - protesting against the owners and promote that we should kick up a fuss towards them. Is this based on historical events or their current inactivity. If it is current inactivity (which would make sense) do you not feel that before that, we should be becoming more vocal against an underperforming manager to let them actually see we have issue with his performance and cut out the bullshit from the lines of communication that everyone is happy? I personally feel that as supporters, we have been exceptionally patient with him. But in his own deluded words, he has been very happy with performances for the last couple of years, I haven't been and I would seriously question his aspirations and sanity if he is speaking the truth...which he only does fleetingly.

I've been on this site for many years and never hid my feelings on any subject, you've been around for long enough to know exactly where I stand on all these points, the fact you're even asking speaks volumes for how far this site has fallen.

This is exactly why I've more or less packed the site in, people don't read more than one page these days, are only interested in defending their own position, rather than reading other posters views.

This isn't an attack on your personally Pedro, I actually think you're one of the better posters, but you should know where I stand on all those points as should everyone else, but thats the nature of the site these days and why the quality posters have left.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Whilst going down to 10 men so early in a game is unfortunate and does make it an uphill struggle to get anything from the game it's another loss to add to all the others. A few more bad results and Rovers could be in the bottom three going into a hectic Christmas period where games come fast.