[Archived] Mk Dons @ Stadium Mk, Saturday October 17Th 15:00 Ko

[chaddyrovers]

Evans came off cos he felt his injury again

Olsson came off cos of illness and he wasn't feeling well before the game.

Bowyer said on Radio Player that the players did well until their second goal and said the marking wasn't good enough

[mhead]

It feels totally illogical that we still have not replaced Lucas Neil from what 8 years ago?

Every manager has ignored the position. Only Jason Lowe(ironically) looks the right build,character,strength to fill that role.

Henley is generally weak and positionally naiive.

The Game itself I have erased from my memory bank....and we move on!

[roverandout]

Henley was last man but the foul started outside of the box

But we are 15th. Goal difference does matter in the league.

Then it was still a sending off, whether in or out the penalty area

[the original david brent]

On a side note as much as I was impressed with the ground the stewarding was over zealous. When I say stewards I mean the security chaps as oppose to the high vis jacket types. Young lads who spend too much time in the gym thinking they are hard with their suits and wired up ear pieces.

One of our coach party didn't get in because he was "too drunk." Utter rubbish. He was no worse than anyone else who entered that ground. He is a family man in his 40s who has never been in trouble before in his life - day ruined due to some jumped up gym boy wanted to exercise his authority. I bet he daren't have tried the same with a Leeds fan!

[Mercer]

Evans came off cos he felt his injury again

Olsson came off cos of illness and he wasn't feeling well before the game.

Bowyer said on Radio Player that the players did well until their second goal and said the marking wasn't good enough

Same old, same old.

He's had three years to put a defence together and get them organised.

We simply can't defend and the buck has to stop with Bowyer and his three stooges - sadly, for the fans, Bowyer and his three stooges are, IMV, way out of their depth.

[joey_big_nose]

To be honest from the commentary it sounded like we did well enough until the (bizarre) subs. The only rational explanation is Bowyer was worried about losing one of Evans or Akpan prior to Weds and/or Saturday which - with Guthrie out - has a certain amount of sense to it.

All I can say is we need to form up again and stick to the high pressing game which has served as well. Wavering and getting defensive on the back of this result will be hugely negative.

If we can get a couple of wins against Burnley and Derby all will be fogiven. But if we can't get at least one win from those two massive pressure back on.

[Mike E]

Ten minutes into a game why does the defender think that he has to stop a player at any cost? Let him go, see If he can finish, if he does, you are a goal behind ,get on with it, and try to win the game.

Isn't the fact he tried to let him go what led to the foul and red card in the first place?

[arbitro]

Evans came off cos he felt his injury again

Olsson came off cos of illness and he wasn't feeling well before the game.

Bowyer said on Radio Player that the players did well until their second goal and said the marking wasn't good enough

So Olsson is feeling unwell before the game and he lasts 89 minutes before being substituted (and he was one of our better players). Sorry I just don't buy that. In fact I feel that our intelligence is being insulted.

[Pedro]

I've been on this site for many years and never hid my feelings on any subject, you've been around for long enough to know exactly where I stand on all these points, the fact you're even asking speaks volumes for how far this site has fallen.

This is exactly why I've more or less packed the site in, people don't read more than one page these days, are only interested in defending their own position, rather than reading other posters views.

This isn't an attack on your personally Pedro, I actually think you're one of the better posters, but you should know where I stand on all those points as should everyone else, but thats the nature of the site these days and why the quality posters have left.

Gav, I don't know exactly where you currently stand and would love you to clarify because I'm interested. Although I've picked up you are supportive of him and critical of those who have had enough of him, I'd be amazed if you aren't growing increasingly critical of Bowyer.

I get the historical hatred against the owners 100% and ideally, I'd have someone with genuine affection for the club in charge. I just think that despite who owns us, the overall aim should simply be for a successful Blackburn Rovers and we should make every small step to get us back to where Jack placed us. Without going over old ground and disagreements, i still want to avoid the all out implosion method until absolutely necessary. We have decent players, capable of much better, and we are way too accepting of what was a genuine, but very mediocre appointment. He isn't performing and sadly it's time to vent at him because he is either too comfortable, in denial or plain deluded and needs to snap out of it (probably due to the silence). Genuinely, too often I'm struggling to bite my tongue come match day and my disdain is focused initially at the abject figure in the dugout - who too often seems to think things are going swimmingly. If things continue as they are and he's still there next season, then I have to draw the line and say, i won't be getting a season ticket because hours are precious to me and I feel as though I waste them on something so predictable and too often, passionless. It goes to show how long we've been starved of the basics in that I loved seeing us play with effort and spirit at the last home match - but it's definitely a case of too little, way too late.

Regarding mentioning that the site is degrading, you are obviously an opinionated chap and more than happy to point the finger at what you feel is the cause (for your personal disinterest) - i respect you for that. Personally, i think that's all great because, unlike some, i think the site needs conflict to develop conversation and breed passion. It's part of being a football fan and so long as there's no racism and bullying etc. I think that disagreements are great.

Re your criticism of some of my posts, I only visit here fleetingly and dip in and out - usually when i can't sleep or if the kids are watching the same movie for the nth time! I generally don't have the time to read page after page of previous posts and am, admittedly, very reactive to posts over the last page or two. So, apologies if you feel as though you cover old ground with me at times but I won't be on my own.

Personally, I feel there are a number of reasons for things going stale on here - most notably (from my point of view) there are currently grown men sulking, ridiculous totting up points for misdemeanours (that in fairness we agree to) and a kind of self-elected hieraarchy who think that their opinion and post count carries more weight than the rest and unfortunately, they soon smother the opinion of an enthusiastic newbie. We haven't got the balance right yet! Above all though, the most overriding element is the stagnation of the club and thousands becoming disinterested in it in general. Only a push for promotion, brought on by an inspired appointment will change that.

Anyway, sorry for wittering on...where we're we???

[scotty_beam_me_up]

If he was ill before the game then why didn't Spurr play. Left back is one of the few positions where we have an ideal replacement.

On a side point the rule of sending off a player for that offence ruins the spectacle. I know I wouldn't be posting this if we had won but a penalty is punishment enough.

[Stuart]

Gav, I don't know exactly where you currently stand and would love you to clarify because I'm interested. Although I've picked up you are supportive of him and critical of those who have had enough of him, I'd be amazed if you aren't growing increasingly critical of Bowyer.

I get the historical hatred against the owners 100% and ideally, I'd have someone with genuine affection for the club in charge. I just think that despite who owns us, the overall aim should simply be for a successful Blackburn Rovers and we should make every small step to get us back to where Jack placed us. Without going over old ground and disagreements, i still want to avoid the all out implosion method until absolutely necessary. We have decent players, capable of much better, and we are way too accepting of what was a genuine, but very mediocre appointment. He isn't performing and sadly it's time to vent at him because he is either too comfortable, in denial or plain deluded and needs to snap out of it (probably due to the silence). Genuinely, too often I'm struggling to bite my tongue come match day and my disdain is focused initially at the abject figure in the dugout - who too often seems to think things are going swimmingly. If things continue as they are and he's still there next season, then I have to draw the line and say, i won't be getting a season ticket because hours are precious to me and I feel as though I waste them on something so predictable and too often, passionless. It goes to show how long we've been starved of the basics in that I loved seeing us play with effort and spirit at the last home match - but it's definitely a case of too little, way too late.

Regarding mentioning that the site is degrading, you are obviously an opinionated chap and more than happy to point the finger at what you feel is the cause (for your personal disinterest) - i respect you for that. Personally, i think that's all great because, unlike some, i think the site needs conflict to develop conversation and breed passion. It's part of being a football fan and so long as there's no racism and bullying etc. I think that disagreements are great.

Re your criticism of some of my posts, I only visit here fleetingly and dip in and out - usually when i can't sleep or if the kids are watching the same movie for the nth time! I generally don't have the time to read page after page of previous posts and am, admittedly, very reactive to posts over the last page or two. So, apologies if you feel as though you cover old ground with me at times but I won't be on my own.

Personally, I feel there are a number of reasons for things going stale on here - most notably (from my point of view) there are currently grown men sulking, ridiculous totting up points for misdemeanours (that in fairness we agree to) and a kind of self-elected hieraarchy who think that their opinion and post count carries more weight than the rest and unfortunately, they soon smother the opinion of an enthusiastic newbie. We haven't got the balance right yet! Above all though, the most overriding element is the stagnation of the club and thousands becoming disinterested in it in general. Only a push for promotion, brought on by an inspired appointment will change that.

Anyway, sorry for wittering on...where we're we???

Couple of good posts there, Pedro. It should be surprising that you got the reaction you did for a considered, very well articulated and reasoned post - but sadly it is the norm. THAT is the reason this site is on its arse. It is becoming the opposite of what made it the best Rovers forum on the web.

Back to your points though. For me fans are giving up because it is crystal clear that those at the club have given up. There is nobody demanding success anymore. Midtable is now the aim, season on season, regardless of the fan-appeasing platitudes that Shaw et al made. If it wasn't then there would be more pressure and yet there is none. That is very dangerous combination of mentality and environment, because if that is the target and we fail then that's all she wrote.

How can an ambitionless club expect to have passionate fans. (Rhet).

[K-Hod]

Right, what should be done if the site is 'on its arse' or if 'no good posters are posting any more' then? How should we move forward? What would you do?

I'm genuinely interested, as I have seen these complaints rearing their head recently without any suggestions on how to remedy the problem.

[Al]

The refs are there to make the right decisions. Sadly in the football league the quality is very poor and quite often arent good enough to make right decisions.

We are in 15th place which is midtable. We arent EVEN in the bottom 8. There is 7 other teams who have won as many games as us or even less. So clearly not as shocking as you say.

Amazing post! We have won two games out of twelve but it's OK because seven other teams are as bad as us! Unbelievable!

[Stuart]

Right, what should be done if the site is 'on its arse' or if 'no good posters are posting any more' then? How should we move forward? What would you do?

I'm genuinely interested, as I have seen these complaints rearing their head recently without any suggestions on how to remedy the problem.

What should WE do? Not a lot WE can do mate. There have been recent specific issues but in the main the forums being as poorly subscribed to as they are is in direct correlation to the lack of bums on seats at Ewood.

What needs to happen is change - for the better. It needs ambition from the owners. Go out and offer a bonus to someone out of left field - who knows, maybe even a Brendan Rogers - to get 110% out of the players we have, of the academy and freebies/loans that only a quality manager can attract.

The fact that nothing is changing - with no prospect that it ever will (besides the spectre of administration when Venkys eventually go) - means that apathy has set in.

The situation as it stands (which, whether we like it or not, is another Kean situation - from a shelf-life position) is not healthy.

[Al]

If he was ill before the game then why didn't Spurr play. Left back is one of the few positions where we have an ideal replacement.

On a side point the rule of sending off a player for that offence ruins the spectacle. I know I wouldn't be posting this if we had won but a penalty is punishment enough.

A point I have made on several occasions. This rule ruins more games than any other nonsense from FIFA.

[Stuart]

Amazing post! We have won two games out of twelve but it's OK because seven other teams are as bad as us! Unbelievable!

I don't think Chaddy has really studied the table at all. To say that we aren't in the bottom 8 (an oddly arbitrary number - watch for that one being refined weekly) is about as short-sighted and naively optimistic view a as one can get. We could be in the bottom three after the game against Burnley, and plausibly bottom.

[chaddyrovers]

Firstly Stuart, I have studied the table.

We are 15th whether that on goal difference. we are still 15th in the league.

Yes Stuart we could be bottom 3 or in the top half of the league after the Burnley game. We will see in a week time.

[LewisF]

What are the chances of getting henley's card turned over?

[Stuart]

Firstly Stuart, I have studied the table.

We are 15th whether that on goal difference. we are still 15th in the league.

Yes Stuart we could be bottom 3 or in the top half of the league after the Burnley game. We will see in a week time.

That actually makes it worse.

If that were the position at the end of the season I might agree. As it is, it was pretty pathetic attempt to try to put Mercerman down.

I certainly hope you are right though because to be top half means we have to - as a minimum - beat both Derby and Bumley, and even then we might not do it. Does the fact I believe we won't make me a pessimist?

[TeamGB-11]

I think there's a bit of an overreaction to one bad result(which had mitigating circumstances), after 4 very good results/performances. Understandable though after what we've endured since the day venkys took over the club..

Massively important how players and manager react now in the next 2..

What are the chances of getting henley's card turned over?

Non, the card was justified. Only the pen was questionable and that can't be rescinded.

[Butty]

Firstly Stuart, I have studied the table.

We are 15th whether that on goal difference. we are still 15th in the league.

Yes Stuart we could be bottom 3 or in the top half of the league after the Burnley game. We will see in a week time.

I'm curious Chaddy mate, if we were too lose the next 2 games would you want GB gone? I wish I had your outlook on life, eternal optimist too say the least

[chaddyrovers]

That actually makes it worse.

If that were the position at the end of the season I might agree. As it is, it was pretty pathetic attempt to try to put Mercerman down.

I certainly hope you are right though because to be top half means we have to - as a minimum - beat both Derby and Bumley, and even then we might not do it. Does the fact I believe we won't make me a pessimist?

We are 15th in the league. End of story

pessimist? Thats down to you NOT me

I'm curious Chaddy mate, if we were too lose the next 2 games would you want GB gone? I wish I had your outlook on life, eternal optimist too say the least

I am very positive about life and take the positive things from life. Some of you might not but thats aint my problem.

On GB, I like the guy as alot and I think he is the right manager for us BUT at the end of the day the decision is for the owners to make.

[AllRoverAsia]

I think there's a bit of an overreaction to one bad result(which had mitigating circumstances), after 4 very good results/performances. Understandable though after what we've endured since the day venkys took over the club..

Massively important how players and manager react now in the next 2..

Non, the card was justified. Only the pen was questionable and that can't be rescinded.

Interesting one this. Having now watched the incident numerous times Henley was pulled back by the MK player, lost speed and the MK player, cleverly cut across him causing some mild impact which Henley could not avoid. The Ref caused the problem by missing the MK foul.

However Henley was slow to react to the MK players run thinking that Duffy would cut out the through ball. That was Henley's error and he should have known better.

[Damien]

Is Adam Henley out of the Burnley game?

I'm sat here with a dingle and he thinks it's a three game ban for him?

I'm not sure. Ideas?

[AllRoverAsia]

We are 15th in the league and on the same points total as four other teams and above them only on goal difference. End of story

For the sake of accuracy and to avoid doubt. End of story.