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[Speedie Dived]

Ings I'd say is an average PL striker and he has a lot to prove, but he's never going to keep a mainly Championship squad up.

I believe a good manager can get the best out of average or even poor players. Couple that with some good players, which we already have, and I think results would be different.

I find it baffling that last season wasn't seen as a massive failure with some supporters. I honestly believe a better manager would have found us some consistency and got us into the play offs at least.

I don't think we have had the players to go up but can understand how some can see it as a disappointment.

The two teams I have seen get promoted were a lot better than we are now.

[booth]

They had better managers that's for sure.

This isn't a great league and it hasn't been since we've been in it. In this league the difference in the main is the manager and if you look back over the last ten years you'll see a lot of teams promoted despite having meager resources but a solid manager at the helm.

[mustard]

He did very well getting them promoted on a budget next to nothing. He did poorly getting them relegated.

Who cares they got relegated at the end of the day? He had a board that failed to back him well enough at the time. Keeping them up was a mammoth task that few managers could have succeeded in achieving. Regardless, Burnley are now financially secure for a long time thanks to Dyche and his efforts, whilst Bowyer continues to play his part in the decline of BRFC. I have no doubt Bowyer spent more pre-embargo to achieve diddlysquat than Dyche did to take Burnley up.

[Waggy76]

No, only a fool would say that right now.

I would be interested to see what Bowyer could do with the 10 million Dyche has had in the summer..

If they swapped jobs Monday morning , Dyche would end up above Bowyer, by a point or 2 ...

Bowyer is one of the worst if not the worst manager in the division !

Last season , we had 2 guys who scored over 40 league goals and didnt remotely look like getting in the play offs ...

The season before on good friday we played Yeovil at home the only time the team threatened a play off spot ...

We drew 0 0 in a bore fest to make mattets worse David Dunn and Josh King never got off the subs bench ! I have always thought he didnt want to win that game...

[booth]

If they swapped jobs Monday morning , Dyche would end up above Bowyer, by a point or 2 ...

That!

[joey_big_nose]

we created chances for Rhodes and this time he didn't take them. another game he would have a hat trick

We can say that in at least half a dozen games this season.

You can't put it down to bad luck every week.

Playing well and getting the tactics right is fine, but if you can't score that's as much the managers issue as anything else. He's filled the squad with a lot of good players and finally found a good system (imo) but there is something very very wrong if you consistently need four or five quality chances to score a goal.

He hasn't prioritised signing goal scorers and we are really suffering for it.

If he'd managed to find one or two players who can score a few we wouldnt be in this situation. Instead everyone we've signed except for Gestede just don't score goals regularly. I'm not talking 30 a season. Just able to get up to around ten or more.

[booth]

The season before on good friday we played Yeovil at home the only time the team threatened a play off spot ...

We drew 0 0 in a bore fest to make mattets worse David Dunn and Josh King never got off the subs bench ! I have always thought he didnt want to win that game...

At the time I believed he'd prefer to play it safe and get a point rather than go for it. The small chance of getting beat and looking bad to the owners is more important than 3 points. Now I just think he gets laid back after a couple of wins and takes his foot off the gas. It's probably just his nature.

[mustard]

For all this bad luck Rovers and Bowyer had yesterday, if the referee had given a stonewall penalty in Burnley's favour after Captain Calamity hacked Barton (long before Lawrence's miss), it could have been a whole lot worse...

Funny how Bowyer didn't mention it in his post-match presser, huh?

[joey_big_nose]

For all this bad luck Rovers and Bowyer had yesterday, if the referee had given a stonewall penalty in Burnley's favour after Captain Calamity hacked Barton (long before Lawrence's miss), it could have been a whole lot worse...

Funny how Bowyer didn't mention it in his post-match presser, huh?

He'd be mental to mention it in the presser.

Hanleys discipline is a serious issue I agree. Thought he'd improved a lot this season but he was a complete f-ing idiot yesterday.

[booth]

He deliberately tripped Barton again as he was running out of the box too!

[LewisF]

I thought Hanley and Duffy were tremendous yesterday

[mustard]

I thought Hanley and Duffy were tremendous yesterday

The problem with both of them is they can perform well for 95% of the game and then have a complete moment of madness and easily cost us a goal, get a red and/or lose us the points.

[roverandout]

Can't believe I have to keep bringing mick McCarthy's name up but this is a guy who has made Ipswich promotion contenders on a shoestring, good managers don't need money to get promotion, bowyer certainly ain't a good manager..in fact not a manager!!

[chaddyrovers]

I really do enjoy reading your posts Chaddy and of course the twitter as well. However, I think you are somewhat misunderstanding of the current predicament of BRFC.

fans are not over concerned about embargos because when we sell Rhodes at Christmas we will come out of it handsomely. What they, I and we are all concerned about is Bowyers lack of knowledge, lack of ethos, lack of tactical prowess and that is becoming endemic I might add and his blunt refusal to accept any blame for the teams plight.

We have to win games, we have to score goals but more importantly we have to send out a team that has the best players on it.

It was criminal of him not playing Henley at right back yesterday. It was criminal leaving Marshall, clearly a dangerous forward thinking player, at right back because when he did get forward he caused havoc with burnley because they couldn't handle him. Now if we can see it why can the bloody idiotic manager not see it?

By throwing on Taylor he took the club backwards and in turn allowed burnley to regroup because as those who were there will bear witness we had them reeling despite being down a goal. They really were no better than us YET they sit handsomely in the top 3. Now that is down to them having a real manager at the helm because believe me, man for man, they are not better than we have at Ewood.

Goalkeepers are matched, Rovers for me have a better central two defenders, midfield wise its all equal, up front we are better. The tall and short of the story is this, BOWYER is a constant failure whilst Dyche and many others in the Chumpionship are using what they have to the best of their ability and in the main are succeeding. The thing at Ewood is that he doesn't use the players at his disposal, he doesn't play to his strengths and he hasn't got a fecking clue how to win a game. He has now passion, he has no alternatives and he stands there like a limp mincer with his hands in his pocket.

If only he was big enough to accept his constant failings or indeed learn from his mistakes. Trouble is he doesn't, thinks he knows best and for some reason he is being left to let this club drag its heels into oblivion.

There are managers out there who would walk to take charge at Ewood. Its not a massive job to get this lot playing well and consistent. It just needs a person with a little know how.

Brian McDermott is the man for me. As a second choice Lambert and then third Billy Davies. All have passion, knowledge and a willingness to get the best out their players. Something sadly lacking in the Bowyer portfolio.

A very good post that, I don't agree with every point you have made but you have several excellent points there and done it in very articulated way

firstly, thankyou for the first comment you made.

I really do understanding of the current predicament of BRFC. Like I have said before, I am concerned that we have only 2 wins this season. I think we have played some of the best football recently since Bowyer became permanent manager here. I still believe Bowyer can turn this around and put together a unbeaten run and get us mid table/top half. Performances have been good since the September International break. But at the end of the day we can discuss Bowyer and his future all day long, but the only ones who will decide is the Owners. Do they expect promotion this season?

But the biggest problem is the owners and the lack of communication with fans. Like I said also today, we need a statement from them saying what the aims of this season are and if they are backing Bowyer then say so. They should have said this summer and that's why I agree with Glen Mullan when he mention this on BRFCC this summer cos he was correct and right.

Did they watch yesterday game?

on Henley playing, I thought Marshall played very well at right back in the last 2 games but didn't play well enough at MK Dons against a pacey winger. Maybe bring on Henley(or starting him) and pushing Marshall further forward, might have worked and get us a goal we need or it might not have done.

Yes I believe a lot of managers would want this job. I have said already today that Holloway would be a leading contender for the job, Lambert would be interest IMO, I don't think Pearson would. reckon he waiting a PL job. I think James Beattie would be interest aswell.

Do I think Sherwood would be interest in the job if Bowyer went? Yes I do, cos he would overall control of the playing side of the club.

[the original david brent]

how do we know who another manager would sign? Souness signed Stig Inge Bjornebye and Alan Mahon.

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Correct me if I am wrong but I have interpreted your post as being derogatory towards Bjornebye and Mahon?

It's off topic I know but I couldn't disagree more. Both of them did well for us. Bjornebye only cost £300k, made 50 odd appearances, integral part of the promotion squad, played in the worthington cup final and unfortunately had to retire early due to a freak training ground accident.

Mahon played 30 odd times and was an important member of the promotion squad. Not a bad player at all.

Keeping it on topic both Bjornebye and Mahon got the assists for the respective goals when we beat burnley away 2-0. In fact Mahon made his debut as a sub in the dying minutes and contributed more in that short time then some of the players did in 90 minutes yesterday.

I know this post may seem like more 'chaddybashing' but I thought the comment was somewhat harsh and incorrect.

[chaddyrovers]

Correct me if I am wrong but I have interpreted your post as being derogatory towards Bjornebye and Mahon?

The point I was trying to make was we don't know who a manager will sign. Both of them were good signings and added to the squad and give us experience.

[sambo]

The point I was trying to make was we don't know who a manager will sign. Both of them were good signings and added to the squad and give us experience.

Well in that case it was an extremely random point. Seemed more like you were trying to criticise them and have changed tack now you have been proved wrong.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Money isn't the be all and end all, we should know that from when we were punching above our weight for years on a shoestring budget compared to other teams.

Dyche is a better manager, one game when his team scraped a win doesn't change that. I guess it's because he manages 'them' that he doesn't get the credit, but you shouldn't downplay what he has achieved.

[yoda]

A very good post that, I don't agree with every point you have made but you have several excellent points there and done it in very articulated way

firstly, thankyou for the first comment you made.

I really do understanding of the current predicament of BRFC. Like I have said before, I am concerned that we have only 2 wins this season. I think we have played some of the best football recently since Bowyer became permanent manager here. I still believe Bowyer can turn this around and put together a unbeaten run and get us mid table/top half. Performances have been good since the September International break. But at the end of the day we can discuss Bowyer and his future all day long, but the only ones who will decide is the Owners. Do they expect promotion this season?

But the biggest problem is the owners and the lack of communication with fans. Like I said also today, we need a statement from them saying what the aims of this season are and if they are backing Bowyer then say so. They should have said this summer and that's why I agree with Glen Mullan when he mention this on BRFCC this summer cos he was correct and right.

Did they watch yesterday game?

on Henley playing, I thought Marshall played very well at right back in the last 2 games but didn't play well enough at MK Dons against a pacey winger. Maybe bring on Henley(or starting him) and pushing Marshall further forward, might have worked and get us a goal we need or it might not have done.

Yes I believe a lot of managers would want this job. I have said already today that Holloway would be a leading contender for the job, Lambert would be interest IMO, I don't think Pearson would. reckon he waiting a PL job. I think James Beattie would be interest aswell.

Do I think Sherwood would be interest in the job if Bowyer went? Yes I do, cos he would overall control of the playing side of the club.

Chaddy I have highlighted a few points in your post

Were you at the Q & A, it was clearly stated that the owners want promotion

The biggest problem is not the lack of communication at all, its a lack of doing what is in the best interests of the club, I wouldn't care if they never set foot in the place again as long as they repair the damage they have caused.

Again at the Q & A it was stated that they watch all the games, not that it matters as they obviously don't understand the game.

Lastly and not in your post, I believe if GB told you the world was flat, flat roofs don't leak and you don't have to pay tax, you would believe him

[Exiled in Toronto]

I know, it then got worse when he got us promoted and spent 7.5m on that has-been Andy Cole, then went on to win the League Cup.

Be careful what you wish for.

Ironically, the reaction on here when Souness's name came into the frame was overwhelmingly negative.

[chaddyrovers]

Chaddy I have highlighted a few points in your post

Were you at the Q & A, it was clearly stated that the owners want promotion

The biggest problem is not the lack of communication at all, its a lack of doing what is in the best interests of the club, I wouldn't care if they never set foot in the place again as long as they repair the damage they have caused.

Again at the Q & A it was stated that they watch all the games, not that it matters as they obviously don't understand the game.

Lastly and not in your post, I believe if GB told you the world was flat, flat roofs don't leak and you don't have to pay tax, you would believe him

But the owners need to say this not Shaw or Myers.

But after your last sentence I will not responding anymore to your sly digs comments/posts now. You cant resist but do it. so why should bother responding to you. CBA with you

[yoda]

But the owners need to say this not Shaw or Myers.

But after your last sentence I will not responding anymore to your sly digs comments/posts now. You cant resist but do it. so why should bother responding to you. CBA with you

Get you

[Tom]

Amazing that the day after we lose at home to our bitter rivals, at home, without scoring some folk are almost trying to spin it as a victory for the manager as we 'played better'.

Basically everything good was down to the manager, everything bad he can't be blamed for.

I'm aware there is a flip side to this but it's got to the point most people are set in their view one way or another that things are no longer objective.

[Stuart]

No, only a fool would say that right now.

I would be interested to see what Bowyer could do with the 10 million Dyche has had in the summer..

Dyche is an example of why you should not write people off. He was only sacked by Watford because they wanted an Italian in. Did them a lot of good.

His relegation was down to lack of ambition by theckubin league far beyond his means but in this league he knows his way around.

Short term Rovers need a promotion even if it will almost certainly end in relegation. West Brom are the great example of a yo-yo club and the likes of us and Bumley need to do that for a while. Bumley look far more likely outfit he two of us though.

[Hasta]

I've just watched the highlights for the first time. I thought it was bad at the time but Corry Evans - WTF? What goes through his brain to make him head it right back into the centre of the penalty box.

He's been a non-entity in practically all of his appearances for this club. What funkwit signed this chump?