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[the original david brent]

I've just watched the highlights for the first time. I thought it was bad at the time but Corry Evans - WTF? What goes through his brain to make him head it right back into the centre of the penalty box.

He's been a non-entity in practically all of his appearances for this club. What funkwit signed this chump?

He has generally played very well in games this season. However I take your point that he was abysmal yesterday. It's really annoying that when we really needed a big performance from him he went into his shell and hid.

Same sentiments are arguably applicable to Rhodes for not taking chances against burnley. He will score bucket loads in the run of the mill games. When it really mattered 2 years ago against burnley he hit the post. He had 2 great chances yesterday. The first from outside the box he should be hitting the target. The second was an extremely poor finish after some great work.

Perhaps I'm being too harsh on Rhodes. I just feel the fans have been let down badly yesterday by the players and management.

[DE.]

He has generally played very well in games this season. However I take your point that he was abysmal yesterday. It's really annoying that when we really needed a big performance from him he went into his shell and hid.

Same sentiments are arguably applicable to Rhodes for not taking chances against burnley. He will score bucket loads in the run of the mill games. When it really mattered 2 years ago against burnley he hit the post. He had 2 great chances yesterday. The first from outside the box he should be hitting the target. The second was an extremely poor finish after some great work.

Perhaps I'm being too harsh on Rhodes. I just feel the fans have been let down badly yesterday by the players and management.

It's a good thing Rhodes is scoring bucket loads in those run of the mill games, because nobody else is!

[AllRoverAsia]

I've just watched the highlights for the first time. I thought it was bad at the time but Corry Evans - WTF? What goes through his brain to make him head it right back into the centre of the penalty box.

He's been a non-entity in practically all of his appearances for this club. What funkwit signed this chump?

That's what fecked me up. Sweet Jesus my Granny would have done better, and RIP she's gone 50 years.

Later on he tries a header at goal. Truly truly pathetic.

[philipl]

What a very unhappy MB this is.

We had a nice little run but never lifted ourselves properly out of the relegation mire.

Now a horrible defeat to the dingles, one point in nine, no goals scored in three and we are right back in a mess.

The most damning aspect for Bowyer is how wet weak and inadequate the arguments of those supporters still sticking by him are. I reckon his managerial inadequacies have cost us at least six points so far this season and that has absolutely nothing to do with the players, injuries, what ifs or whatevers. Head to head against most managers at this level, Bowyer comes off distinctly second best and that was glaringly obvious against Dyche.

[adsfortheblues]

Let's face it, we all knew this would happen, we went on a little run, but don't we always when bowyer seems to be under real pressure? And then we always revert back to type and go on a dreadful run.

Leeds away next, they've not won at home since April, we all know what that means.

[booth]

That's what fecked me up. Sweet Jesus my Granny would have done better, and RIP she's gone 50 years.

Later on he tries a header at goal. Truly truly pathetic.

Hang on, your Granny was called Jesus or WAS Jesus?

[yoda]

Hang on, your Granny was called Jesus or WAS Jesus?

It's a critical question !

One way has dingle overtones

[DaveyB]

What a very unhappy MB this is.

We had a nice little run but never lifted ourselves properly out of the relegation mire.

Now a horrible defeat to the dingles, one point in nine, no goals scored in three and we are right back in a mess.

The most damning aspect for Bowyer is how wet weak and inadequate the arguments of those supporters still sticking by him are. I reckon his managerial inadequacies have cost us at least six points so far this season and that has absolutely nothing to do with the players, injuries, what ifs or whatevers. Head to head against most managers at this level, Bowyer comes off distinctly second best and that was glaringly obvious against Dyche.

I'm in no way trying to defend Bowyer here, I believe it is time for him to be replaced (although I do also believe he is owed a debt of gratitude for the work he did to stop the rot when he first came in).

However, I keep reading posts, like the one quoted, where it is stated that yesterday's game proved that Dyche is a better manager, or that Bowyer was out thought tactically and I have to say I'm confused. What was it precisely about Burnley's performance that demonstrated Dyche's tactical genius?

Was it the way he instructed his team to allow us to have the lion's share of possession and to get crosses into their box at will? Or maybe it was the master stroke of allowing us numerous clear cut chances knowing that our players wouldn't take any of them? Or the inspired way they created absolutely nothing all game?

Or maybe, just maybe, the truth is that, yesterday at least, Dyche and his team got incredibly lucky against a team that outplayed them all over the park.

[DE.]

All yesterday's game proved is that we have very poor composure in front of goal and a team that can and usually does throw away points through sheer ineptitude at both the front and back end of the pitch.

There is a clear argument for Dyche being a superior manager to Bowyer, but yesterday's match has nothing to do with it. A one off derby match that simply showed our glaring weaknesses.

[yoda]

I'm in no way trying to defend Bowyer here, I believe it is time for him to be replaced (although I do also believe he is owed a debt of gratitude for the work he did to stop the rot when he first came in).

However, I keep reading posts, like the one quoted, where it is stated that yesterday's game proved that Dyche is a better manager, or that Bowyer was out thought tactically and I have to say I'm confused. What was it precisely about Burnley's performance that demonstrated Dyche's tactical genius?

Was it the way he instructed his team to allow us to have the lion's share of possession and to get crosses into their box at will? Or maybe it was the master stroke of allowing us numerous clear cut chances knowing that our players wouldn't take any of them? Or the inspired way they created absolutely nothing all game?

Or maybe, just maybe, the truth is that, yesterday at least, Dyche and his team got incredibly lucky against a team that outplayed them all over the park.

Like Sunderland today !

See Sam Allardice's comments after that game

[47er]

Yeah can't argue that's anything but poor but I still expect us to end up mid table.

Said before and still believe it, trust Bowyer more to get us up the table than I trust Pune idiots to appoint a better manager.

Why do you expect is to finish mid-table? Hope only gets you so far.

[47er]

Let's face it, we all knew this would happen, we went on a little run, but don't we always when bowyer seems to be under real pressure? And then we always revert back to type and go on a dreadful run.

Leeds away next, they've not won at home since April, we all know what that means.

A 0-0 draw?

[skous18]

Hi guys. Do you know where I can watch the full match online or download it?

Thanks

[TeamGB-11]

Hi guys. Do you know where I can watch the full match online or download it?

Thanks

It'll be on rovers player by tommorow pm..

[JHRover]

The full match is usually uploaded to Rovers player on the Monday after the game, but you will need to subscribe to watch the full thing.

Not sure where else you could find the full game.

[The_Expert]

The full match is usually uploaded to Rovers player on the Monday after the game, but you will need to subscribe to watch the full thing.

Not sure where else you could find the full game.

Oh, no actually that's an easy one to answer - it has been rightly consigned to the dustbin of broken dreams, along with the rest of the hard work, history and accomplishments of our once proud club.

The dustbin of history.

[perthblue02]

Hi guys. Do you know where I can watch the full match online or download it?

Thanks

Will be available in the club shop from November 19th as one of the discs in the DVD box set titled - Venky's and Friends, Celebrating Five Glorious Years.

[Speedie Dived]

Dyche is an example of why you should not write people off. He was only sacked by Watford because they wanted an Italian in. Did them a lot of good.

His relegation was down to lack of ambition by theckubin league far beyond his means but in this league he knows his way around.

Short term Rovers need a promotion even if it will almost certainly end in relegation. West Brom are the great example of a yo-yo club and the likes of us and Bumley need to do that for a while. Bumley look far more likely outfit he two of us though.

Would never turn a promotion down but I would take a change of ownership over short term promotion. Maybe owners who actually know you can get relegated would be an improvement.

We have no vision, strategy, long term goals. We have some sort of stability due to them keeping out of the way and Bowyer steadying the football side of things.

Let's be honest, they have zero chance of appointing a manager capable of taking us up, it's more likely to follow Wigan.

Why do you expect is to finish mid-table? Hope only gets you so far.

Ha ha. Like what you have done there.

Anything below 14th is a poor season on the playing front.

The fact that I now consider that par is a utter shambles from our owners.

In fact I am going to stop referring to them as owners, they are just rich idiots who couldn't care less.

[RoverNev]

After a couple of days to gather thoughts of what I saw on Saturday, I think I am able to offer my opinion. In a sentence, I think it's more than fair to say that 'lady luck' just wasn't on our side. We had more than enough chances to put the game beyond them, notably Lawrence and maybe Jordan, on another day, would have found the net at least once.

But that's the thing, the fallout from what's been said elsewhere about the game has always included the phrase, 'on another day'. Let's not forget that taking out the occasion and the opposition, there was still just 3 points on the table that, yet again, we've passed up in games when, on the day, we should've taken all three.

Although it's so easy to blame the manager, the way we played on Saturday was how I wanted us to approach that game. We took the game to them and, in my opinion, played better than them. But, its a results game at the end of the day and that does fall on his head.

In conclusion, they have had one chance to score and pinged it in the the top corner, we've had 6 on target and not put one of them in. The amount of times in the past we have gone to the Turd and luckily won shows that these things work themselves out and, unfortunately, Saturday was the game where we were on the receiving end

[den]

We'd have got something from that game if we'd had Gestede up front. Remind me again why we sold him (and Cairney) when it didn't take us out of embargo?

[K-Hod]

We'd have got something from that game if we'd had Gestede up front. Remind me again why we sold him (and Cairney) when it didn't take us out of embargo?

Gestede wanted to go? God knows why we sold Cairney.

[tomphil]

Gestede wanted to go? God knows why we sold Cairney.

To pay the bills after our finance director got panicky and flew out to see Venkys chief bean counter after being concerned at the rather absentness of our absent owners..........allegedly of course.

[den]

Gestede wanted to go? God knows why we sold Cairney.

Rhodes wanted to go, but Venkys said no. At the Q and A Bowyer said "he didn't think it was fair" to keep him - that was the only explanation offered. He sold him and didn't replace him adequately and we're paying for that now.

[JBiz]

Couldn't replace more than didn't. Reinvesting just 25% of the sales would've helped.

[JHRover]

Gestede was clearly angling for a move and had been since at least January. If he hadn't got his 'big' Premier League move in the summer then the likelihood is that his attitude/form would have suffered as he had clearly set his heart on playing elsewhere. I doubt he'd have 'done a Rhodes' and accepted the situation and knuckled down like the model professional. I had no problems with us selling him, although I think we should have ensured the money lifted us from the embargo first.

Selling Cairney was incomprehensible. The club knows this and that's why even now we haven't had a proper explanation for why that deal was done. The club (Shaw, Myers, Bowyer, media staff) have spent their time since June attempting to airbrush him out of our consciousness (deleting photos/video clips of him playing for us for example) because they are anxious to avoid questions from the supporters over why one of our best players was hastily offloaded to another bottom half Championship club. I could just about understand it if the money had lifted us immediately from the embargo and enabled expenditure on other players, but it didn't so it made no sense whatsoever.

Another subject that the Lancashire Telegraph have merely accepted a nonsensical account from the club for without pushing/probing for a proper answer from those 'in the know'.