[Archived] Brentford At Home 7.11.2015

[cesus]

I've lost count of how many times I put my head in my hands in sheer disbelief at what is happening on the pitch every week.

Fundamentals of football just seem alien -

Passing - we can't pass forwards, we have an impressive ability (when we actually pass forwards) to pass behind an attacking player thus making him needing to stop, turn, reset and allow the opponent to get back into position.

Movement- in top teams having the ball is the easiest job as the team bust their balls to help, I look at them on Ewood and I would hate to be in possession as nobody wants to help.

I genuinely fear for our attendances I really do, with the amount of football on TV you can be throughly entertained sat in your own home or pub. The product on show at Ewood is shocking I remember losing to Derby last year and as ever I was gutted about the result but it was an extremely entertaining game and that softened the blow. Now teams seem to be able to come for a draw and save themselves for their next game knowing we are happy to play belly tickle and take a point too it's absolutely turgid stuff and with awful Blackburn traffic and matching weather the option to stay at home/pub through winter must be very appealing. All the more hurtful when you look down the road at both Stanley and Burnley with supporters as owners playing well on the pitch and debt free!

Also how many times will Duffy clear the ball for them at corners!?! We would surely be better off leaving them to complete the clearance hoping they mess up and the ball drops to one of our lads. He must win 80% of set pieces of which 98% end up with them back in control.

[Speedie Dived]

In a few short words.

Woefully abject, listless, limp, gutless, shocking, scandalous and atrocious.

Wrong for the very off with the wrong team and wrong formation.

What the hell was Taylor doing on that pitch? (apart from causing mayhem in our own ranks).

Why did we see our best player not moved forward until it was too late?

Where was the freshening up when it was so desperately required after 15 turgid minutes?

What the hell has the oaf who has been watching Brentfords recent performances reported back to Ewood?

We had no answer to their simple and effective pass and move. We had no answer to the commanding performances of their midfield and defence who ran like it mattered.

Bowyer was out thought (not hard), the team were as aimless as himself walking round his managerial area looking down and out (I hope he is).

It cannot go on he has to be removed and now whilst we have a break.

Possession football is ok if you keep the ball.

Sideways football is NOT the way to the opposition penalty area.

Hanley and Duffy needs their foreheads shaving because both failed miserably in the heading department today.

#BOWYER OUT

It wasn't great but we drew 1-1. Read this and think we got smashed 0-5.

Brentford were not much better than us.

[Speedie Dived]

Opportunity to bring Koita on?

He has been poor since day 1. We don't have enough quality in 1-11, let alone in the squad.

[1864roverite]

I think Speedie we must have watched a different game.

Brentford played simple touch and move football and carved through our midfield at will.

Brentford harried us all over the pitch.

Rovers were aimless, if they didn't get the message that JR was losing a battle against the back 2 centre backs I don't know how they could have missed it such was his isolation.

The use of Marshall at right back instead of Henley is astonishing. Marshall going forward is one of the best players in this league and the use of Taylor yesterday was an enigma from the kick off.

In all reality, Brentford had the better chances and should have won.

#Bowyer out

[Speedie Dived]

Also how many times will Duffy clear the ball for them at corners!?! We would surely be better off leaving them to complete the clearance hoping they mess up and the ball drops to one of our lads. He must win 80% of set pieces of which 98% end up with them back in control.

Noticed this a few games ago. With alarming regularity he seems to get there and flick the ball safe or over. Also happens when he goes forward for free kicks.

Think he gets under the ball.

[Mike Graham]

I've lost count of how many times I put my head in my hands in sheer disbelief at what is happening on the pitch every week.

Fundamentals of football just seem alien -

Passing - we can't pass forwards, we have an impressive ability (when we actually pass forwards) to pass behind an attacking player thus making him needing to stop, turn, reset and allow the opponent to get back into position.

Movement- in top teams having the ball is the easiest job as the team bust their balls to help, I look at them on Ewood and I would hate to be in possession as nobody wants to help.

I genuinely fear for our attendances I really do, with the amount of football on TV you can be throughly entertained sat in your own home or pub. The product on show at Ewood is shocking I remember losing to Derby last year and as ever I was gutted about the result but it was an extremely entertaining game and that softened the blow. Now teams seem to be able to come for a draw and save themselves for their next game knowing we are happy to play belly tickle and take a point too it's absolutely turgid stuff and with awful Blackburn traffic and matching weather the option to stay at home/pub through winter must be very appealing. All the more hurtful when you look down the road at both Stanley and Burnley with supporters as owners playing well on the pitch and debt free!

Also how many times will Duffy clear the ball for them at corners!?! We would surely be better off leaving them to complete the clearance hoping they mess up and the ball drops to one of our lads. He must win 80% of set pieces of which 98% end up with them back in control.

I have a JW Upper ST. Looking at the fixtures it will probably be Xmas before I bother turning up again.

Why? Because the football is passionless, atrocious and rubbish.

[Speedie Dived]

I think Speedie we must have watched a different game.

Brentford played simple touch and move football and carved through our midfield at will.

Brentford harried us all over the pitch.

Rovers were aimless, if they didn't get the message that JR was losing a battle against the back 2 centre backs I don't know how they could have missed it such was his isolation.

The use of Marshall at right back instead of Henley is astonishing. Marshall going forward is one of the best players in this league and the use of Taylor yesterday was an enigma from the kick off.

In all reality, Brentford had the better chances and should have won.

#Bowyer out

Well apart from a brilliant block by Duffy I can't recall another chance they had? They hardly carved through us at will.

Marshall has been playing very well at right back, offers better distribution then Henley and we are finally secure at the back. If you think it's astonishing to play him there then you are watching the wrong sport.

Taylor was poor but again has been decent recently.

We were poor overall, but this was a game we would have lost last year.

[jumpin']

Horrible.

Bowyer has all the pieces of a jigsaw but doesn't know how to put them together. Starting with 2 cdm's in a sense to shield the back 4 doesn't work, how many times did Hanley or Duffy nick it because Evans or Akpan got themselves out of position? So to me that's a wasted position.

If we tried wing play, with the full backs bombing on, who supported them from centre midfield? Every player was 30 yards away, especially in the first half.

When we attacked, it was 2v5, 2v6, when they attacked it was 4v4. The attack have no chance. How many times did Rhodes get quality?

I could go on, and on, and on...

We are wasting another season, I was sat there thinking about the past, and when that was dire. If the board then couldn't see it then, we asked for the board to be sacked, getting at Shaw is the only way presently. He won't want the heat. He may feel it's good enough for north end but it ain't good enough for Blackburn Rovers.

The next manager in could be the most important choice since Kenny or Howard. It's got to be correct.

[Speedie Dived]

Horrible.

Bowyer has all the pieces of a jigsaw but doesn't know how to put them together. Starting with 2 cdm's in a sense to shield the back 4 doesn't work, how many times did Hanley or Duffy nick it because Evans or Akpan got themselves out of position? So to me that's a wasted position.

If we tried wing play, with the full backs bombing on, who supported them from centre midfield? Every player was 30 yards away, especially in the first half.

When we attacked, it was 2v5, 2v6, when they attacked it was 4v4. The attack have no chance. How many times did Rhodes get quality?

I could go on, and on, and on...

We are wasting another season, I was sat there thinking about the past, and when that was dire. If the board then couldn't see it then, we asked for the board to be sacked, getting at Shaw is the only way presently. He won't want the heat. He may feel it's good enough for north end but it ain't good enough for Blackburn Rovers.

The next manager in could be the most important choice since Kenny or Howard. It's got to be correct.

Don't agree on us having all the pieces for the jigsaw but couldn't agree more that any anger should be directed at owners/board.

If we turn on the manager we have again missed the whole point of what's going on.

[Pedro]

He has been poor since day 1. We don't have enough quality in 1-11, let alone in the squad.

He hasn't been poor at all. He uses his strength (that Rhodes feeds off) he gets shots off (that have unfortunately hit the woodwork countless times) he makes defenders panic, rather than them simply nodding the ball away like they do when he is not on the field, his link up play can be excellent (he has slotted numerous cute little balls through on the edge of the box). He makes things happen. And in a team that struggles to score goals, that should be looking to win matches, he should have been the obvious choice to be brought on yesterday. Instead, rather than us really going for it, the match petered out for the hundredth time.

I'm all for opinions Speedie, but yours cannot possibly be an honest one. What are you watching???

[chaddyrovers]

Don't agree on us having all the pieces for the jigsaw but couldn't agree more that any anger should be directed at owners/board.

If we turn on the manager we have again missed the whole point of what's going on.

I think Koita is a good player and we need a player yesterday to hold the ball up.

But at the end of the day, the owners with the Rovers board should be setting targets for Bowyer to achieve. Has this even happen?

[Speedie Dived]

He hasn't been poor at all. He uses his strength (that Rhodes feeds off) he gets shots off (that have unfortunately hit the woodwork countless times) he makes defenders panic, rather than them simply nodding the ball away like they do when he is not on the field, his link up play can be excellent (he has slotted numerous cute little balls through on the edge of the box). He makes things happen. And in a team that struggles to score goals, that should be looking to win matches, he should have been the obvious choice to be brought on yesterday. Instead, rather than us really going for it, the match petered out for the hundredth time.

I'm all for opinions Speedie, but yours cannot possibly be an honest one. What are you watching???

Someone who is raving about Koita is questioning my opinion? Ha ha

Are you getting Koita mixed up with Tom Lawrence?

[Pedro]

Don't agree on us having all the pieces for the jigsaw but couldn't agree more that any anger should be directed at owners/board.

If we turn on the manager we have again missed the whole point of what's going on.

The board and owners should be irrelevant. They should be making decisions so we need to be vocal about that. The next decision HAS to be to sack Bowyer. Swiftly followed by replacing him with someone like Pearson, Lambert - even McLeish or Mowbray..A manager with promotion on his CV. If they don't, nothing is lost and then we'll all go for the lot of them and crawl back under our stones.

Someone who is raving about Koita is questioning my opinion? Ha ha

Are you getting Koita mixed up with Tom Lawrence?

Yes. Having read much of what you've written. I question a heck of a lot. I can only presume you sit directly behind one of the supports on the Riverside - because your match day experience sounds a hell of a lot more enjoyable than every other Rovers fan I know. If you are happy with seeing two shots a game and think that will get us far, and you are happy with three wins in seventeen, or lurking about at the bottom end of the table puffing up a home draw against Brentford because "Last year that's a game we would have lost"...then I'm made up for you pal.

[chor808]

I think Koita is a good player and we need a player yesterday to hold the ball up.

But at the end of the day, the owners with the Rovers board should be setting targets for Bowyer to achieve. Has this even happen?

I've asked that too I can't remember if there is a target for this year. Did one ever get set or do we just not know about it. Also if the dream is to increase player values I can't see any one this year going up in value.

[Speedie Dived]

The board and owners should be irrelevant. They should be making decisions so we need to be vocal about that. The next decision HAS to be to sack Bowyer. Swiftly followed by replacing him with someone like Pearson, Lambert - even McLeish or Mowbray..A manager with promotion on his CV. If they don't, nothing is lost and then we'll all go for the lot of them and crawl back under our stones.

They should be but they aren't, they are the main show in town and why we are under a transfer embargo.

The chances of this mob employing anyone half decent are next to zero.

Sometimes it's literally like people have forgotten what they have done over the last few years.

The board and owners should be irrelevant. They should be making decisions so we need to be vocal about that. The next decision HAS to be to sack Bowyer. Swiftly followed by replacing him with someone like Pearson, Lambert - even McLeish or Mowbray..A manager with promotion on his CV. If they don't, nothing is lost and then we'll all go for the lot of them and crawl back under our stones.

Yes. Having read much of what you've written. I question a heck of a lot. I can only presume you sit directly behind one of the supports on the Riverside - because your match day experience sounds a hell of a lot more enjoyable than every other Rovers fan I know.

Yesterday was poor, said on numerous times. But we are an average championship side with average players, so every now and then you will get average performances.

You were talking as if Bowyer had left Shearer on the bench by not bringing on Koita. He hasn't even scored a bloody goal for us.

[chaddyrovers]

The board and owners should be irrelevant. They should be making decisions so we need to be vocal about that. The next decision HAS to be to sack Bowyer. Swiftly followed by replacing him with someone like Pearson, Lambert - even McLeish or Mowbray..A manager with promotion on his CV. If they don't, nothing is lost and then we'll all go for the lot of them and crawl back under our stones.

At the end of the day, its all down to the owners and what they set as the target this season. Have they set a mid table finish? Are they happy with that? Last week we read that the Rovers owners/advisors wanted a new manager with promotion on their cv. Is that what the owners want? We dont know cos of the lack of communication from them.

Also look back at what I said last night about Bowyer, targets and a new manager.

[Pedro]

They should be but they are, they are the main show in town and why we are under a transfer embargo.

The chances of this mob employing anyone half decent are next to zero.

Sometimes it's literally like people have forgotten what they have done over the last few years.

Yesterday was poor, said on numerous times. But we are an average championship side with average players, so every now and then you will get average performances.

You were talking as if Bowyer had left Shearer on the bench by not bringing on Koita. He hasn't even scored a bloody goal for us.

It doesn't matter that he hasn't scored a goal. I explained what he brings to the pitch - and you laughed. But no offence, I'm presuming that you don't really play the game of all you can judge on is goals. From my perspective, like way too many games, Rhodes had nothing provided yesterday. Barely a pass and certainly not a chance. That back four had him pinned and they needed roughing up. They were protecting a keeper who was having a mare with his kicking, handling, positioning etc and was a nervous wreck. But we let him off the hook. From what I've seen Koita doesn't @#/? about on the edge of the box, would have zipped shots at him that he would undoubtedly spilled on a greasy pitch - Rhodes would have been on those in a flash. He gets knock downs, holds the ball up and seven times out of ten, lays it off really well...but Gaz brought on Delfouneso who faffs about and pulls to the touchline when he gets the ball!!! Marshall showed he had the running of their fullback - but he was 30 yards too far back (the OBVIOUS thing to do was bring Henley on for Taylor as first sub...literally obvious). Fair enough, he's played well at RB - but we have a Welsh international right back on the bench. To me, It's no surprise we struggle to score when our most forward thinking players who drive forwards are either benched or in defence. But that's Bowyer for you. He loves a draw and an 'unbeaten run'

[martonrover]

They should be but they aren't, they are the main show in town and why we are under a transfer embargo.

The chances of this mob employing anyone half decent are next to zero.

Sometimes it's literally like people have forgotten what they have done over the last few years.Yesterday was poor, said on numerous times. But we are an average championship side with average players, so every now and then you will get average performances.

You were talking as if Bowyer had left Shearer on the bench by not bringing on Koita. He hasn't even scored a bloody goal for us.

and there it is - the meek acceptance of dumbing down.

If Bournemouth can win automatic promotion and Birmingham can be in and around the play off places we should not accept the dirge being served up.

[Mike Graham]

and there it is - the meek acceptance of dumbing down.

If Bournemouth can win automatic promotion and Birmingham can be in and around the play off places we should not accept the dirge being served up.

It would be better if GB could:

- motivate

- set a team up

- have a plan b

- be able to make tactical substitutions

- apply for the Eurovision Song Contest.

[Speedie Dived]

It doesn't matter that he hasn't scored a goal. I explained what he brings to the pitch - and you laughed. But no offence, I'm presuming that you don't really play the game of all you can judge on is goals. From my perspective, like way too many games, Rhodes had nothing provided yesterday. Barely a pass and certainly not a chance. That back four had him pinned and they needed roughing up. They were protecting a keeper who was having a mare with his kicking, handling, positioning etc and was a nervous wreck. But we let him off the hook. From what I've seen Koita doesn't @#/? about on the edge of the box, would have zipped shots at him that he would undoubtedly spilled on a greasy pitch - Rhodes would have been on those in a flash. He gets knock downs, holds the ball up and seven times out of ten, lays it off really well...but Gaz brought on Delfouneso who faffs about and pulls to the touchline when he gets the ball!!! Marshall showed he had the running of their fullback - but he was 30 yards too far back (the OBVIOUS thing to do was bring Henley on for Taylor as first sub...literally obvious). Fair enough, he's played well at RB - but we have a Welsh international right back on the bench. To me, It's no surprise we struggle to score when our most forward thinking players who drive forwards are either benched or in defence. But that's Bowyer for you. He loves a draw and an 'unbeaten run'

I will swerve your patronising tone to start with.

So just to clarify, your tactic is Koita to come on, hit a 30 yarder that the keeper then spills on Rhodes taps it in? And this would have undoubtedly happened?

You sir are my new hero.

Delfy is poor and so is Koita, he choose Delfy, he had done ok before the Burnley game but they are both average at best. Nothing really to get your knickers in a twist over.

and there it is - the meek acceptance of dumbing down.

If Bournemouth can win automatic promotion and Birmingham can be in and around the play off places we should not accept the dirge being served up.

Ok this team should win the Champions League?

The team is average and its up to the owners to sort this out or ideally, sod off.

Bournemouth are bank rolled by a Russian billionaire. They should have gone up. Birmingham won't be there for long.

[arbitro]

At the end of the day, its all down to the owners and what they set as the target this season. Have they set a mid table finish? Are they happy with that? Last week we read that the Rovers owners/advisors wanted a new manager with promotion on their cv. Is that what the owners want? We dont know cos of the lack of communication from them.

Also look back at what I said last night about Bowyer, targets and a new manager.

But Bowyer said after the last game of last season that this season's target was automatic promotion or minimum play offs. Surely after him saying this the owners don't want mid table as he must have said a similar thing to them. And watching yesterdays turgid display once again confirmed to me that Bowyer is happy to take a point from some games when we should really be going for a win. I honestly believe negativity and being in the comfort zone is in his DNA.

Fans who support Bowyer can't have it both ways after HE set the target at the end of last season.

[Ewooduknow]

Rovers plight is rapididly eroding my love for the game. Couldn't even be bothered to watch motd last night as its to upsetting how far we've fallen in standard from the teams on that programme in such a quick time. I fear rovers are rooted down with the chumps for the long haul now.

[MGAndy]

Attendance: 12,328 (including 592 visiting supporters)

Minus stay away ST holders

I didnt go yesterday. Uninspired by the opposition, the weather and the chance of a good game.

Do we have an estimate from those who went on the real number of Rovers fans who bothered?

[Speedie Dived]

But Bowyer said after the last game of last season that this season's target was automatic promotion or minimum play offs. Surely after him saying this the owners don't want mid table as he must have said a similar thing to them. And watching yesterdays turgid display once again confirmed to me that Bowyer is happy to take a point from some games when we should really be going for a win. I honestly believe negativity and being in the comfort zone is in his DNA.

Fans who support Bowyer can't have it both ways after HE set the target at the end of last season.

If he said that then there is no argument for supporting him. But this side was never going up.

Talked to my mates at the game yesterday and said a team going up would win this.

[joey_big_nose]

Ok this team should win the Champions League?

.

We have good players in every position on the pitch, better than most in the division. There is no way we should be down where we are.

Who exactly is it you are saying isn't good enough? Rhodes, Hanley, Olsson, Conway, Marshall, Lawrence, Evans, Akpan, Guthrie, Duffy have all shown theyre good enough in my opinion. Jury is out on Steele, Koita and Taylor (agree that Delfy is poor).

Other teams have worse players but in better positions in the league. 3 wins from 17 is totally abysmal.

The manager and owners need changing. I don't think there is any doubt about that now. Yesterday was a game we had to win and we didn't.