[Archived] Brentford At Home 7.11.2015

[Speedie Dived]

We have good players in every position on the pitch, better than most in the division. There is no way we should be down where we are.

Who exactly is it you are saying isn't good enough? Rhodes, Hanley, Olsson, Conway, Marshall, Lawrence, Evans, Akpan, Guthrie, Duffy have all shown theyre good enough in my opinion. Jury is out on Steele, Koita and Taylor (agree that Delfy is poor).

Other teams have worse players but in better positions in the league. 3 wins from 17 is totally abysmal.

The manager and owners need changing. I don't think there is any doubt about that now. Yesterday was a game we had to win and we didn't.

How many of our team have been promoted before?

People make general statements about other teams players without knowing anything about them.

[joey_big_nose]

Talked to my mates at the game yesterday and said a team going up would win this.

Yes agreed but I don't think quality of the playing staff is the key factor in that. Motivation and mentality were key.

Brentford would have loved to have Rhodes, Hanley, Olsson, Marshall, Conway, Lawrence in their team. But despite that extra quality we couldnt trouble them at all.

[roverandout]

It wasn't great but we drew 1-1. Read this and think we got smashed 0-5.

Brentford were not much better than us.

Head in the sand

[joey_big_nose]

How many of our team have been promoted before?

People make general statements about other teams players without knowing anything about them.

How many of Bournemouths last season had been promoted? Or Burnley year before?

It's hardly a great measure is it?

[Speedie Dived]

Yes agreed but I don't think quality of the playing staff is the key factor in that. Motivation and mentality were key.

Brentford would have loved to have Rhodes, Hanley, Olsson, Marshall, Conway, Lawrence in their team. But despite that extra quality we couldnt trouble them at all.

Why would Brentford want all those? Their side was slightly better than ours.

And it's nothing to do with motivation.

How many of Bournemouths last season had been promoted? Or Burnley year before?

It's hardly a great measure is it?

It's a good indicator of how your team will do.

If you buy more premier league players or players that have been promoted then you will be at the top end of the table.

Ok, compare this side to the two teams that got us promoted in last 25 years? Not even close to either.

[Mike Graham]

Attendance: 12,328 (including 592 visiting supporters)

Minus stay away ST holders

I didnt go yesterday. Uninspired by the opposition, the weather and the chance of a good game.

Do we have an estimate from those who went on the real number of Rovers fans who bothered?

4,250

[Ewooduknow]

It has to be said the lack of supporters and therefore atmosphere at ewood is possibly a problem in terms of player motivation. That's what happens with apaphy though. The fans need a boost, something to get behind and believe in. Mr bowyer and his footballing philosophy isn't it.

[tomphil]

It has to be said the lack of supporters and therefore atmosphere at ewood is possibly a problem in terms of player motivation. That's what happens with apaphy though. The fans need a boost, something to get behind and believe in. Mr bowyer and his footballing philosophy isn't it.

People just turn up out of loyalty and hope something will happen rather than expect. We applaud them onto the pitch, give a roar of encouragement at kick off then sit back and watch something that resembles a pre meditated script. With the odd exceptions the games of the last 18 months have been oh so predictable.

I agree that the fans at home should always be behind the team no matter how few and to be fair we are. Yesterday as soon as someone got down the wing or a few tackles flew in the crowd were up but the next min the ball is going sideways and backwards again or a simple pass flies into touch whilst the players shrug shoulders at each other and the gaffer takes his hands out of his pockets briefly to clap wildly.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

We have good players in every position on the pitch, better than most in the division. There is no way we should be down where we are.

Who exactly is it you are saying isn't good enough? Rhodes, Hanley, Olsson, Conway, Marshall, Lawrence, Evans, Akpan, Guthrie, Duffy have all shown theyre good enough in my opinion. Jury is out on Steele, Koita and Taylor (agree that Delfy is poor).

Other teams have worse players but in better positions in the league. 3 wins from 17 is totally abysmal.

The manager and owners need changing. I don't think there is any doubt about that now. Yesterday was a game we had to win and we didn't.

Have to agree.

Though yesterday was an adequate performance - against one of the form teams of the division (I actually thought they looked very good at times) - and a draw was a fair result. I can't help but feel that if we were a little bit more motivated - showed a little more imagination in our tactics - and most of all encouraged the players to be a little more brave - it was a match we were capable of winning.

Having said all that - whether people agree with him playing right back or not - Marshall was absolutely class yesterday - and the best player on the pitch. Playing like he did yesterday he wouldn't look out of place in the England team. So I look forward to his usual dip in form.

I said after the Birmingham draw - that it was a good result if we beat Brentford. Though I think they were probably a far better team than many thought they would be - we are over due a change - and the two week international break would be an ideal time to make that change.

[Pedro]

I will swerve your patronising tone to start with.

So just to clarify, your tactic is Koita to come on, hit a 30 yarder that the keeper then spills on Rhodes taps it in? And this would have undoubtedly happened?

You sir are my new hero.

Delfy is poor and so is Koita, he choose Delfy, he had done ok before the Burnley game but they are both average at best. Nothing really to get your knickers in a twist over.

Ok this team should win the Champions League?

The team is average and its up to the owners to sort this out or ideally, sod off.

Bournemouth are bank rolled by a Russian billionaire. They should have gone up. Birmingham won't be there for long.

I didn't patronise - and that is comically hypocritical. I made an educated assumption and nothing you have said since makes me think that you genuinely understand what you are watching, or how things could be improved. Nothing more so than the fact that you are totally content and accepting of the mundane dross that is served up to you. You actually excuse it away - putting it down to an average side under an embargo. You certainly don't support your stance in any other way than dodging opinions, or at best editing them down in to something else - so you can scoff like a ten year old.

I feel I offered you a tactical alternative to how a very lucky draw yesterday could and should have been turned into a deserved win - by doing the obvious. Bringing on a physical presence to shake up some dominant defenders, someone who will actually hustle, bustle and shoot, cause problems, ultimately create chances for our £12 million rated striker - who was a £50,000 per week passenger again. He does the Jason Roberts role that Benni Mc profited from greatly. But you ignore and scoff away SD - because Koita hasn't scored yet has he? And Delfy has, so that makes him better. All that the rest of what I and countless others who said he should have been brought on (during the event) is just all make believe and we are comparing him to Shearer aren't we?

As an aside, all the self-preserving smoke that the PR side of BRFC is trying to blow up the arses of Rovers fans via Bowyer's interviews (the dumbing down, the key words in each interview, acceptance of mediocrity, the please pity us, big up the mediocre opposition in any way possible and blame anything other than our own poor standards etc.) has been absorbed by you. Standards, results and performances aren't anywhere near good enough and haven't been for two seasons. The embargo is not a viable excuse for underperforming with what you have got at your disposal.

*For future reference, the edge of the box is 18 yards away, not 30. It's than line where most teams have a go but we @#/? around with the ball because we are conditioned to pass sideways or backwards 😉

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Attendance: 12,328 (including 592 visiting supporters)

Minus stay away ST holders

I didnt go yesterday. Uninspired by the opposition, the weather and the chance of a good game.

Do we have an estimate from those who went on the real number of Rovers fans who bothered?

Very sad that you judge your attendance on those criteria. Personally mine is - do I have other work/family commitments - can I afford it.

[Speedie Dived]

I didn't patronise - and that is comically hypocritical. I made an educated assumption and nothing you have said since makes me think that you genuinely understand what you are watching, or how things could be improved. Nothing more so than the fact that you are totally content and accepting of the mundane dross that is served up to you. You actually excuse it away - putting it down to an average side under an embargo. You certainly don't support your stance in any other way than dodging opinions, or at best editing them down in to something else - so you can scoff like a ten year old.

I feel I offered you a tactical alternative to how a very lucky draw yesterday could and should have been turned into a deserved win - by doing the obvious. Bringing on a physical presence to shake up some dominant defenders, someone who will actually hustle, bustle and shoot, cause problems, ultimately create chances for our £12 million rated striker - who was a £50,000 per week passenger again. He does the Jason Roberts role that Benni Mc profited from greatly. But you ignore and scoff away SD - because Koita hasn't scored yet has he? And Delfy has, so that makes him better. All that the rest of what I and countless others who said he should have been brought on (during the event) is just all make believe and we are comparing him to Shearer aren't we?

As an aside, all the self-preserving smoke that the PR side of BRFC is trying to blow up the arses of Rovers fans via Bowyer's interviews (the dumbing down, the key words in each interview, acceptance of mediocrity, the please pity us, big up the mediocre opposition in any way possible and blame anything other than our own poor standards etc.) has been absorbed by you. Standards, results and performances aren't anywhere near good enough and haven't been for two seasons. The embargo is not a viable excuse for underperforming with what you have got at your disposal.

*For future reference, the edge of the box is 18 yards away, not 30. It's than line where most teams have a go but we @#/? around with the ball because we are conditioned to pass sideways or backwards [emoji6]

I am far from content. I said Delfy and Koita are both poor players, their careers back this up.

You think if we had brought on Koita, lumped it forward and won that would have turned a lucky draw into a deserved win? Pick the bones out of that gem.

Your point about the goalie spilling the ball is without doubt the funniest thing I have ever read on here.

Come on then Wayne Rooney, I am interested to see what level you played at, this is going to be fun.

[tomphil]

Attendance: 12,328 (including 592 visiting supporters)

Minus stay away ST holders

I didnt go yesterday. Uninspired by the opposition, the weather and the chance of a good game.

Do we have an estimate from those who went on the real number of Rovers fans who bothered?

A good couple of thousand less than the stated figure that's for sure. Loads of regulars missing around our area yesterday. I only thought Brentford would bring a couple of hundred and that would have really shown up how bad the crowds are but they had a good turnout in the end. About time Madame and her cronies looked closely at these figures.

Aside from away figures it must be the lowest home average for 20 odd years, something else they must be immensely proud of.

[Speedie Dived]

A good couple of thousand less than the stated figure that's for sure. Loads of regulars missing around our area yesterday. I only thought Brentford would bring a couple of hundred and that would have really shown up how bad the crowds are but they had a good turnout in the end. About time Madame and her cronies looked closely at these figures.

Aside from away figures it must be the lowest home average for 20 odd years, something else they must be immensely proud of.

The cretins cannot even be arsed to turn up once this year. We need rid of them ASAP.

[perthblue02]

One of lowest (cough cough) official League attendance since we have been back in the Championship ( not a complete list)

http://www.11v11.com/teams/blackburn-rovers/tab/stats/option/attendances

v Brentford Last Season 13,382

Don't think the crawl back under their stones fortress Ewood campaign is going to work

[tomphil]

The cretins cannot even be arsed to turn up once this year. We need rid of them ASAP.

It's part of the cost cutting don't you know, no need to get staff or cleaners or switch on the lights in the lounges, no fleet of Rollers hire and no first class plane tickets etc which I believe is usually on the clubs tab. Must be saving us a fortune

[Pedro]

I am far from content. I said Delfy and Koita are both poor players, their careers back this up.

You think if we had brought on Koita, lumped it forward and won that would have turned a lucky draw into a deserved win? Pick the bones out of that gem.

Your point about the goalie spilling the ball is without doubt the funniest thing I have ever read on here.

Come on then Wayne Rooney, I am interested to see what level you played at, this is going to be fun.

I currently play for Chelsea.

[chaddyrovers]

The cretins cannot even be arsed to turn up once this year. We need rid of them ASAP.

Exactly. this is Rovers biggest problem but the fans need some sort of communication from the them.

what's the plan going forward?

[Gav]

I am far from content. I said Delfy and Koita are both poor players, their careers back this up.

They're very poor players, nowhere near good enough for a promotion push, neither is Taylor, Williamson, Spurr, Henley, Olsson, Koita and probably Apkan in my opinion, anyone thinking we can make a playoff push with these players and a new manager is living in cloud cuckoo land.

We need players of Lawrence's capability, and he's still a young lad and with that comes inconsistency but imagine how much investment it would take to bring in 7/8 Lawrences, complete out of our league.

Mid table championship is probably our level, better get used to it.

[Speedie Dived]

They're very poor players, nowhere near good enough for a promotion push, neither is Taylor, Williamson, Spurr, Henley, Olsson, Koita and probably Apkan in my opinion, anyone thinking we can make a playoff push with these players and a new manager is living in cloud cuckoo land.

We need players of Lawrence's capability, and he's still a young lad and with that comes inconsistency but imagine how much investment it would take to bring in 7/8 Lawrences, complete out of our league.

Mid table championship is probably our level, better get used to it.

Thank god for you Gav. You have just listed some bang average ability above.

We are short in the first 11 as well as squad. Apart from looking like Grace Jones, Akpan is not the answer either, missing Guthrie in there.

Think we could struggle to hold on to Lawrence, Valenica looking at him (presume that will be the Phil Neville/United link).

It's a modern football fan thing though, replace manager and a messiah will walk through the door. Short sighted naivety.

[AllRoverAsia]

I've just watched the FL show and was looking forward to seeing the 'world class' save that denied Rovers victory.

I'm going to assume that it was included in the what seemed like about 30 seconds of highlights from the game.

Marshall cuts in and takes a well hit long shot which is going slightly across the keeper to his left and rising, keeper sticks out a hand and deflects it past the post.

World class save Mr Bowyer? you are having a laugh.

It was a good save but their keeper would have been panned if it had gone in. Never mind Pune have no doubt been told ''we was robbed''

It's little things like this that feck my brain.

Small tales make the big lie.

[chaddyrovers]

Thank god for you Gav. You have just listed some bang average ability above.

We are short in the first 11 as well as squad. Apart from looking like Grace Jones, Akpan is not the answer either, missing Guthrie in there.

Think we could struggle to hold on to Lawrence, Valenica looking at him (presume that will be the Phil Neville/United link).

It's a modern football fan thing though, replace manager and a messiah will walk through the door. Short sighted naivety.

we are short of quality in the squad.

we have got a good 1st 11 and a couple of decent players/sub. rest is nothing outstanding, just average players(mid table/lower mid table players). that's why I think we should be given our academy players a chance and at least the fans would get behind them and back them even if they make a mistake.

Like I said yesterday if we do bring in a new manager it would get the fans a lift and that's what a lot are needed at the minute. Plus the new manager must give our academy players a chance(if they are good enough) in the first team

[MGAndy]

Very sad that you judge your attendance on those criteria. Personally mine is - do I have other work/family commitments - can I afford it.

Exactly my point... Am I willing to / can I afford to waste my money? Yesterday it was a no from me.

If we are playing Liverpool in the blazing sun and know the product will be good quality then we are all going... Subject to work / family commitments and available funds.

For many, 2 out of 3 is enough.

For some 1 out of 3 is enough.

Yesterday was 0 out of 3 and not enough for me to part with my hard earned cash.

Can I afford it? Depends if I will get value / enjoyment for MY money.

This is why the stadium is half empty.

I think we probably agree?

[Pedro]

The league is bang average. It is full of very average players. It is the well - drilled teams with effort, organisation, belief and leadership that get towards the top end. Like (gulp) Burnley.

We have consistently lacked all of that and Shaw, Myers, Bearded Venky, snowball Venky, moustached Venky (female) and moustached Venky (male) aren't the ones picking the team, training the team or 'motivating' the team. They just pick up the tab.

I also don't understand the desire for those so vehemently passionate about driving them out of our club...to then cry on that they don't come to matches.

[Speedie Dived]

The league is bang average. It is full of very average players. It is the well - drilled teams with effort, organisation, belief and leadership that get towards the top end. Like (gulp) Burnley.

We have consistently lacked all of that and Shaw, Myers, Bearded Venky, snowball Venky, moustached Venky (female) and moustached Venky (male) aren't the ones picking the team, training the team or 'motivating' the team. They just pick up the tab.

I also don't understand the desire for those so vehemently passionate about driving them out of our club...to then cry on that they don't come to matches.

I was going to leave you alone but once again you have astounded me. The league is very very difficult to get out of, that is recognised by a lot in the game.

The owners should have medium to long term plans, we have zero. Due to their excellent stewardship we cannot spend £1 on a player. But let's gloss over that and blame everything on Bowyer not bringing on Koita.

No one was crying about them not coming. The point was they cannot be arsed to come, which shows they cannot be arsed with us.

But I am sure everything will be fine by getting Bowyer out.