[Archived] Bowyer Sacked

[Amo]

but realistically we never really looked like contenders and most importantly though he didn't build on it on it the following season, we regressed if anything and that's when he should really have been replaced.

As already pointed out, we weren't GD away from the playoffs. We were two points off. Bowyerevisionism has already started!

[Speedie Dived]

but realistically we never really looked like contenders and most importantly though he didn't build on it on it the following season, we regressed if anything and that's when he should really have been replaced.

Been through a million times, but from that point we weakened financially. That's a fact about 10 million was saved. But ultimately Bowyer never got us up.

Whoever the next man is, for me, we won't finish above 12th.

[G Somerset Rover]

Been through a million times, but from that point we weakened financially. That's a fact about 10 million was saved. But ultimately Bowyer never got us up.

Whoever the next man is, for me, we won't finish above 12th.

Yes, you're probably right but only because Bowyer has done such a terrible job this season!

[Pedro]

Never had points for a post before but thank you

I think he's pointing out we were two points and goal difference off the play offs.

[Speedie Dived]

Yes, you're probably right but only because Bowyer has done such a terrible job this season!

So we should be in the playoffs next yet then?

[Stuart]

I think he's pointing out we were two points and goal difference off the play offs.

[DE.]

As a person - I'll be honest am still not sorry to see him go. His constant post match "analysis" aimed at Pune rather than reality, always talking about the zillion percent profit made on players, and lowest of all his attacks on the fans; saying they'll get back under a rock being the lowest point but not exclusive, all mean I'm glad to see the back of him.

Sadly I pretty much feel the same way now. The last few months especially have really tainted what had otherwise been an honest if not quite good enough performance as manager from GB. It was really disappointing to hear him sending messages to Pune in his interviews - after Kean that's something none of us want to hear again. The 3000% profit margins, increasing player values, young team, financial restrictions, embargo embargo embargo... despite what has been said about Gary not thinking he was going to be sacked, maybe he did genuinely feel under pressure and was saying this stuff out of desperation to keep his job.

[G Somerset Rover]

So we should be in the playoffs next yet then?

I'd say that's totally dependant on i) whom we appoint and ii) whether we can get out of the embargo. Whichever way you dress it up 3 wins in 17 is pathetic and he had to leave.

[Speedie Dived]

I think he's pointing out we were two points and goal difference off the play offs.

Ha ha ha. So have i lost my two points for my post? Thanks for clearing that up. I feel silly now thinking i was getting points for a post.

[Reedy You're A Star]

Quite sad to see people getting their told you so's ready before a new man is even appointed. The paint around your little corners is now dry, you can come out and discuss a major event that's happened to our club tonight. Can't we just see what happens next first?

[Amo]

If you have 40+ goals worth of striking talent and finish 11pts off the playoffs, 22pts off automatic promotion, you've gone wrong somewhere. I also like how it took him 3/4 of the season to realize that Baptiste was a better centre-back than full-back, albeit it through an enforced change.

[Speedie Dived]

I'd say that's totally dependant on a) whom we appoint and whether we can get out of the embargo. Whichever way you dress it up 3 wins in 17 is pathetic and he had to leave.

Yeah it's not great at all. But one thing is for sure. It's not a case of replace manager X with manager Y and all is well.

[G Somerset Rover]

Yeah it's not great at all. But one thing is for sure. It's not a case of replace manager X with manager Y and all is well.

I'd agree with that as Wigan etc. have found out. I just hope that Venkys do the sensible for once and appoint an experienced manager - it would give us half a chance.

[DE.]

If you have 40+ goals worth of striking talent and finish 11pts off the playoffs, 22pts off automatic promotion, you've gone wrong somewhere. I also like how it took him 3/4 of the season to realize that Baptiste was a better centre-back than full-back, albeit it through an enforced change.

The problem was that every time we found a good formation or line up, it seemed to be forced upon Gary rather than something he had come up with. When he did make his own changes, like putting Raya ahead of Steele or Spurr ahead of Olsson, it seemed to weaken the team.

[Pedro]

Ha ha ha. So have i lost my two points for my post? Thanks for clearing that up. I feel silly now thinking i was getting points for a post.

Hey, I said Leon Best would score shed loads at Derby - now that's something to be ashamed of!!!

[patrickvalery]

I'd agree with that as Wigan etc. have found out. I just hope that Venkys do the sensible for once and appoint an experienced manager - it would give us half a chance.

Seems to me we had a 'half a chance' manager and we've just canned him. What our owners seem to want is something more. Which worries me as the best they've ever appointed was a 'half a chance' manager.

[Blue blood]

A few more reflections:

Something has massively changed. Bowyer is many things as a manager, but at survival he's pretty savvy. And the way he has been carrying on of late suggests that he thought he was untouchable. In fact it's been that way for a while. So, whatever has gone on behind the scenes from someone not in the know appears to have been a shock to Bowyer as much as the rest of us.

I do wonder if the decision is Moyes being sacked. Granted Lambert is odds on to get it, but there were no rumblings early on in the week, which is very interesting. Added to which results don't seem to have been a criteria for much round our way. Added to which in fairness to Bowyer he has had worst runs than the last few games (unbeaten in 4) and not been under pressure, so it seems a little baffling. The only difference now compared with other times with results etc. is that Moyes has suddenly been sacked. With Shaw's connection to him, it does to me seem a little coincidental that Bowyer finally goes when Moyes becomes available.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into things, but logically (if we ever do anything logically) I can't see anything else which would have sparked the decision. The crowd's been unhappier than it was at Brentford (although we weren't pleased), the results have been comparatively worse, and even a glut of decent managers available has happened before. Interesting that the change is now.

[Speedie Dived]

Hey, I said Leon Best would score shed loads at Derby - now that's something to be ashamed of!!!

I really need some sort of sarcasm klaxon on here. It's not being picked up.

[G Somerset Rover]

Seems to me we had a 'half a chance' manager and we've just canned him. What our owners seem to want is something more. Which worries me as the best they've ever appointed was a 'half a chance' manager.

It was just a turn of phrase. An experienced manager is something they're yet to go for - let's hope that they finally do. Venkys and logic, as we know, do not go hand in hand though.

Something tells me that Lambert is too obvious. Nobody saw GB's sacking coming, so it will likely be another left field appointment flying under the radar.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Hey, I said Leon Best would score shed loads at Derby - now that's something to be ashamed of!!!

I can't sympathise there. I thought he could possibly be the worst striker I've ever seen in the blue and white halves and I've seen a few bad 'uns over the years. He was a dolloper supreme.

[patrickvalery]

It was just a turn of phrase. An experienced manager is something they're yet to go for - let's hope that they finally do. Venkys and logic, as we know, do not go hand in hand though.

Something tells me that Lambert is too obvious. Nobody saw GB's sacking coming, so it will likely be another left field appointment.

Sorry gav, wasn't digging you out. It was more a comment on what we realistically face. We had a mid table man. They want more. But the form shows that's the best they've ever recognised. Doesn't fill you with much hope.

[Pedro]

I can't sympathise there. I thought he could possibly be the worst striker I've ever seen in the blue and white halves and I've seen a few bad 'uns over the years. He was a dolloper supreme.

I was having 'a moment'.

[DE.]

A few more reflections:

Something has massively changed. Bowyer is many things as a manager, but at survival he's pretty savvy. And the way he has been carrying on of late suggests that he thought he was untouchable. In fact it's been that way for a while. So, whatever has gone on behind the scenes from someone not in the know appears to have been a shock to Bowyer as much as the rest of us.

I do wonder if the decision is Moyes being sacked. Granted Lambert is odds on to get it, but there were no rumblings early on in the week, which is very interesting. Added to which results don't seem to have been a criteria for much round our way. Added to which in fairness to Bowyer he has had worst runs than the last few games (unbeaten in 4) and not been under pressure, so it seems a little baffling. The only difference now compared with other times with results etc. is that Moyes has suddenly been sacked. With Shaw's connection to him, it does to me seem a little coincidental that Bowyer finally goes when Moyes becomes available.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into things, but logically (if we ever do anything logically) I can't see anything else which would have sparked the decision. The crowd's been unhappier than it was at Brentford (although we weren't pleased), the results have been comparatively worse, and even a glut of decent managers available has happened before. Interesting that the change is now.

I think we were on a worse run a couple of months ago when the first sacking rumour happened - don't think we'd won a game at that point at all?

We're applying logic here to a set of owners that have been methodically illogical, but, the suddenness of the sacking combined with the removal of the backroom staff does suggest that somebody has told Venky's they will take the job. There have been rumours two weeks ago that Jokanovic had been sounded out, and now suggestions that Lambert met with Venky's advisers recently. All signs point to an imminent arrival.

But again, this is Venky's we're talking about. For all we know they might appoint Eric Kinder or Shebby Singh as manager. I'm not going to get my hopes up until we have some confirmation.

[tomphil]

Perhaps they've had an eye on the situation but as usual have been dawdling. Then you get a few clubs all of a sudden sacking their managers and looking to the few quality ones that are available, perhaps it's actually paniced them into doing something.

[Blue blood]

I think we were on a worse run a couple of months ago when the first sacking rumour happened - don't think we'd won a game at that point at all?

We're applying logic here to a set of owners that have been methodically illogical, but, the suddenness of the sacking combined with the removal of the backroom staff does suggest that somebody has told Venky's they will take the job. There have been rumours two weeks ago that Jokanovic had been sounded out, and now suggestions that Lambert met with Venky's advisers recently. All signs point to an imminent arrival.

But again, this is Venky's we're talking about. For all we know they might appoint Eric Kinder or Shebby Singh as manager. I'm not going to get my hopes up until we have some confirmation.

That's what I mean. For the illogical lunes it's a very logical move, especially the full clear out. And can't see what else prompted it other than as you say, knowing who they want as a replacement. For me Moyes is the only recent change - Lambert has been out of work for ages now - but then with their timings you could well be right and Lambert it is!

As for every other decision they've made. I'm going to try staying positive and hope that they "kick on" having made their first good decision and go on a run of them.

Final comment of the night: I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall at training when the new manager first comes in. Shocked doesn't begin to describe how the players will feel after the last 2+ years of easy street.