[Archived] Bowyer Sacked

[MCMC1875]

GB took us backwards.

Should have been potted yonks ago.

Exactly young Barry.

I wonder what Pittard and his mates have to say?

Probably crying in his pint.

.....and what about that tool from the Q & A night? Bet he's ready to jump off the JW Stand roof!

[47er]

It's called respecting people who play/manage for our club.

See this is a huge point. Who has advised them to sack him? Who is sticking their nose into football business?

Someone who knows their stuff? Someone who deserves our gratitude?

[EgyptianPete]

Someone who knows their stuff? Someone who deserves our gratitude?

I echo that, look we have had a poll on here for weeks stating we wanted Bowyer out, now they have done it along with his backroom staff some on here are now whining about it, Bowyer has been rubbish for almost two seasons now, Jordan Rhodes goals kept us up not Bowyer imo, anyway hes gone lets look forward if its Paul Lambert then that is a very very good choice.

if as reported he (PL) has already spoken with the owners there will have been assurances from both parties, whoever takes over will not want to sell his best striker thats for sure, how we get out of the embargo well thats shelfys job, so not holding my breath there then, its time to look forward lets see who it is and give the new man our full support, Venky's may be turning the corner, COYB.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Don't talk complete balls. He's been under massive pressure trying to handle a club on terminal decline with absentee clueless owners and a crowd of thousands on hand to examine and criticise the fruits of his labours on a weekly basis.

I sincerely doubt you will have ever had or will have to deal with that sort of pressure.

He's come up short but let's not pretend running a football club is an easy job. It patently isn't, even if you have a decent board and ownership which he hasnt.

No it's not an easy job but it's a bloody well paid job. Even at Rovers he'd earn more in a month than most people earn in a year. He'll be paid up to the end of his contract also. There's plenty of pressure out in industry these days. At my last job we'd several go down with heart attacks. Try being an out of work steelworker in Redcar with Christmas around the corner if you want to feel some pressure.

[joey_big_nose]

No it's not an easy job but it's a bloody well paid job. Even at Rovers he'd earn more in a month than most people earn in a year. He'll be paid up to the end of his contract also. There's plenty of pressure out in industry these days. At my last job we'd several go down with heart attacks. Try being an out of work steelworker in Redcar with Christmas around the corner if you want to feel some pressure.

Don't disagree that it's well paid, or that others have much more difficult personal situations. Just that WYR pretending the job is easy irked me.

It's a bloody hard job and we need to make sure we make a good experienced appointment.

[blueboy3333]

I'm taking about league positions and what happens on the pitch, in that vein the stats are there in black and white, we have regressed.

Nobody is saying he didn't stabilise the club, but he couldn't dine out on that forever and his rein went on for about 18 months too long.

the accusation was he took us backwards. He didn't, he had 2 top ten finishes in his only 2 full seasons in charge having taken over a basketcase of a club. This summer he had to sell £10m worth of talent including last years top scorer. He's also had to deal with an embargo whilst other teams in the league have spent big money. Whether people acknowledge it or not this is bound to affect a managers ability to bring in the players he wants and could improve us.

Why was his 'rein' up 18 months ago. Because he hadn't got us promotion? Do you think a midfield pairing of Willowe should have achieved that or was top ten about right?

What you're calling a regression is a bad start to the season. This season was never going to be easy but it's probably the right decision to let him go. Managers have a shelf-life at any club and Bowyer's is probably up. Does that negate the good he done for the club? No. We're still in a better position than when he took over so it quite clearly isn't 'regression', which is a very simplistic term considering all factors.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

At the end of the day you're judged on 90 minutes of " entertainment " each match. If you think our play hadn't regressed you will be in a very small minority.

[K-Hod]

the accusation was he took us backwards. He didn't, he had 2 top ten finishes in his only 2 full seasons in charge having taken over a basketcase of a club. This summer he had to sell £10m worth of talent including last years top scorer. He's also had to deal with an embargo whilst other teams in the league have spent big money. Whether people acknowledge it or not this is bound to affect a managers ability to bring in the players he wants and could improve us.

Why was his 'rein' up 18 months ago. Because he hadn't got us promotion? Do you think a midfield pairing of Willowe should have achieved that or was top ten about right?

What you're calling a regression is a bad start to the season. This season was never going to be easy but it's probably the right decision to let him go. Managers have a shelf-life at any club and Bowyer's is probably up. Does that negate the good he done for the club? No. We're still in a better position than when he took over so it quite clearly isn't 'regression', which is a very simplistic term considering all factors.

8th, 9th then we're 16th now. I struggle to see how being consistently lower in the league can be viewed as anything other than regression.

I'm talking specifically results on the pitch and final league position, how every other manager is judged, but for some reason this didn't apply to Gary Bowyer.

GB had plenty of time pre-embargo to get the right squad together, but yet he stocked the team with loanees in positions we had plenty of cover in.

If we'd appointed an experienced campaigner at that time they'd have made us hard to beat and built from the back. For Christ's sake we had won half of the battle with our strikeforce!

[DE.]

The argument for the club not being under regression with Bowyer has been made countless times, but always has the flaw of basing the initial comparison on when he first joined the club. As I've said before, under that logic we weren't regressing under Souness either as we were still in the PL when he moved on to Newcastle and he joined us when we were in the Championship. You have to go on a season-by-season basis for the argument to make sense and there's no question we've regressed each season Bowyer has been in charge. The league table shows clear evidence of that.

Are there mitigating circumstances for this season? Yes, sure, but that doesn't mean we haven't regressed. We've only sold two big players in Gestede and Cairney (one of whom was not a forced sale and according to most on here was actually crap anyway) and whilst Bowyer hasn't had any money to spend this window, he must have known the embargo was coming and did nothing to prepare the squad for it. We don't even have a back up right back and have to resort to taking one of our attacking threats and using him there instead.

Is our first eleven that much worse than the likes of Birmingham, Cardiff or Ipswich? You'd be hard pressed to argue it is, yet we're a comfortable distance in the wrong direction from all three. This change is completely justified and we can only hope a real manager is brought in to sort things out and get the best out of a squad which has played well at times this season but been missing crucial elements necessary to get the right results.

[Speedie Dived]

the accusation was he took us backwards. He didn't, he had 2 top ten finishes in his only 2 full seasons in charge having taken over a basketcase of a club. This summer he had to sell £10m worth of talent including last years top scorer. He's also had to deal with an embargo whilst other teams in the league have spent big money. Whether people acknowledge it or not this is bound to affect a managers ability to bring in the players he wants and could improve us.

Why was his 'rein' up 18 months ago. Because he hadn't got us promotion? Do you think a midfield pairing of Willowe should have achieved that or was top ten about right?

What you're calling a regression is a bad start to the season. This season was never going to be easy but it's probably the right decision to let him go. Managers have a shelf-life at any club and Bowyer's is probably up. Does that negate the good he done for the club? No. We're still in a better position than when he took over so it quite clearly isn't 'regression', which is a very simplistic term considering all factors.

Very well put and concise post. Offering a balanced view on the manager, concluding that it's correct to let him go.

In stark contrast to the "sack him, he didn't get us promoted" brigade.

The new manager should get us in the top 10 according to a lot on here with the apparent quality that Bowyer had to work with. We shall see.

At the end of the day you're judged on 90 minutes of " entertainment " each match. If you think our play hadn't regressed you will be in a very small minority.

It was better than under Berg and Appleton. Which shows progression.

[blueboy3333]

I don't know what games you have been watching blueboy but this team has regressed under GB. The football served up last season and this is very very poor, so bad that even more fans have been walking away from Ewood. One of my mates left after 70 mins on Saturday he was that disgusted with the 'football' served up under GB.

We have had a passionless manager on the touch line. Watch him.....he claps mistakes, spends most of the time motionless with his hands in his pockets, and when there is a break in play unlike the opposition manager he fails to coach the players; in fact the players don't even turn to him for leadership.

He should have been potted a long long time ago.

Wake up and smell the coffee please.

So it's just the performances that have 'gone backwards' under Bowyer and not the club/team as a whole?

The football against Burnley was good, as was the football against Ipswich. Derby wasn't bad. We've improved over recent weeks but slipped back again against Brentford. We were good away at QPR and Hull and could easily have won both. Leeds was very good. However, overall Bowyer didn't get the results some of the performances merited so ultimately he deserved to go. I've said before he's not had a lot of luck this season. Some of the sitters missed by us have been ridiculous. To say the football has been 'very very poor' is a bit OTT . They haven't been good at times, and sometimes incredibly dull, but that's just his style. We've had managers like that before. In fairness we've also played some good stuff at times..

Agree about Bowyer's touchline demeanour, that's where he looks every bit a coach and not a manager.

We'll agree to disagree about when he should have been potted.

Bottom line, we needed Bowyer when he came in and he did very well in rescuing us from the abyss of League 1 and the inevitable loss of players like Rhodes. League 1 would have ruined us. He's built a decent Championship squad since then on a relative pittance compared to a lot of other teams in our division. Some big spenders in the Championship.

If your concern is a few performances on the pitch then you obviously haven't been paying attention to the shitstorm that's been going on right through the club since Allardyce left.

It would be great though now if we got someone in now who plays free-flowing, exciting, attacking football. When was the last time we had that at Ewood? It would also have to get us promoted. Piece of @#/? this football lark.

Get to Costa and have a deep inhale.

At the end of the day you're judged on 90 minutes of " entertainment " each match. If you think our play hadn't regressed you will be in a very small minority.

Very simplistic.

[Mike Graham]

Blueboy: Happy to disagree about when he was potted, that's life and good that folk can have different opinions. As for the Burnley game I thought we were very poor tactically; too much backwards and sideways football and giving the ball away when we went forward.....as for GB;'s substitutions they are generally weird.

I do Fairtrade myself ;-)

[K-Hod]

It's impossible to have progressed if we finished 8th, 9th and are now 17th, it's as simple as that. There's no need to over-complicate anything.

Even pre-embargo Bowyer had ample opportunity to bring in the right players, but didn't, then when he did (Judge/King/Cairney) he often used them incorrectly. That's not saying he didn't bring in some good players that made a positive difference, but some signings were wholly unnecessary.

[Rover_Shaun]

This season is exactly the same as when Bowyer came in for his last caretaker stint. We were going backwards but probably not to the level that would result in relegation that season but you could see it coming the next if things didn't change.

We are exactly in the same position now as we were when Bowyer was appointed. There are a few worse clubs this season to save us but relegation was a distinct possibility next season had he been retained.

The managers in 2012 were taking us down. Bowyer in 2015 was taking us down.

So in essence he has taken us nowhere. 2 seasons wasted. The last of the transfer kitty blown on the wrong areas and an embargo. It can be argued he has left us in a worse state but as a bloke he doesn't really deserve that. Nice man. Never a manager.

[blueboy3333]

8th, 9th then we're 16th now. I struggle to see how being consistently lower in the league can be viewed as anything other than regression.

I'm talking specifically results on the pitch and final league position, how every other manager is judged, but for some reason this didn't apply to Gary Bowyer.

GB had plenty of time pre-embargo to get the right squad together, but yet he stocked the team with loanees in positions we had plenty of cover in.

If we'd appointed an experienced campaigner at that time they'd have made us hard to beat and built from the back. For Christ's sake we had won half of the battle with our strikeforce!

Utter drivel. He was shifting players out of the club and trying to bring cheaper ones in, and trying to get the wage-bill down. You live in a dream world if you think you can change the whole playing squad overnight (which is what he HAD to do). The summer before the embargo we signed Varney and Brown on frees. The screws had already been put on the finances. So in effect he had a 3 or 4 transfer windows (if that) of spending decentish money before the taps were turned off and he had to rely on loans and freebies.

Aye, and who signed half that strikeforce for a bargain price? Lets hope the new manager can pull a few Rudy's and Conways out of his arse because he's going to need to as a huge transfer kitty won't be available.

Bowyer spent about £3m in transfer fees in 3 years. Brentford spent more than that in the summer they came up. Forest spent double that on one player. Burnley triple that on one player. Derby have spent it many times over.

A bit of perspective is needed when criticising Bowyer's dealings in the transfer market.

Blueboy: Happy to disagree about when he was potted, that's life and good that folk can have different opinions. As for the Burnley game I thought we were very poor tactically; too much backwards and sideways football and giving the ball away when we went forward.....as for GB;'s substitutions they are generally weird.

I do Fairtrade myself ;-)

I thought you might do fairtrade! I'm a aldi instant man myself :-)

We created 4 or 5 gilt-edged chances against the dingles. We should have battered them.

[K-Hod]

Utter drivel. He was shifting players out of the club and trying to bring cheaper ones in, and trying to get the wage-bill down. You live in a dream world if you think you can change the whole playing squad overnight (which is what he HAD to do). The summer before the embargo we signed Varney and Brown on frees. The screws had already been put on the finances. So in effect he had a 3 or 4 transfer windows (if that) of spending decentish money before the taps were turned off and he had to rely on loans and freebies.

Aye, and who signed half that strikeforce for a bargain price? Lets hope the new manager can pull a few Rudy's and Conways out of his arse because he's going to need to as a huge transfer kitty won't be available.

Bowyer spent about £3m in transfer fees in 3 years. Brentford spent more than that in the summer they came up. Forest spent double that on one player. Burnley triple that on one player. Derby have spent it many times over.

A bit of perspective is needed when criticising Bowyer's dealings in the transfer market.

I've not said half of the things you're alluding to there, you're over-complicating what is a simple debate when it's much more clear cut than that.

I'll say it again, 8th, 9th then 17th is regression BY DEFINITION.

During GB's tenure- did we have a defined playing style? Did we ever stop the stupid mistakes? Did we ever put a good run of games together? (that didn't contain tons of draws).

If you've got a strikeforce that bags goals for fun, why on earth wouldn't you make doubly sure that your team was difficult to breach? It's not rocket science is it?

Bowyer didn't have to spend that on players, a previous manager had spent £8 Million on Rhodes, so he had that and Gestede in his armoury. Alongside King (£1 Million), Marshall (£1.5 Million). Other managers had spent the money. He had time to make them gel, but he never did. We never got into a ruthless winning mentality, that's what's cost him.

We seldom went for the jugular in games, or attacked teams from the off. (Though he isn't the only manager in recent memory guilty of that in fairness).

I wonder how Gary Rowett feels about Bowyer's lack of funds pre-embargo? He can't even sign players for £10k p/w remember, and he's way above Bowyer's old team in the league.

[Rover_Shaun]

Bowyer spent about £3m in transfer fees in 3 years.

*from web sources

Duffy £1.5m

Marshall £1m

Evans £750k

Cairney 500k

King £1m

Gestede £300k

Conway Undisclosed........I'd say £300k at least

Steel Undisclosed.........I'd assume same value as Conway

So roughly £5.65m before wages which the like of Birmingham cannot even compete with

So twice Blueboys estimate

BUT..we are getting bogged down by Symantics

As Khod alluded to league position and future league direction says regression

We are back were we were when Bowyer was appointed. 2 years to go nowhere. What a waste

[J*B]

Revisionism

*from web sources

Duffy £1.5m

Marshall £1m

Evans £750k

Cairney 500k

King £1m

Gestede £300k

Conway Undisclosed........I'd say £300k at least

Steel Undisclosed.........I'd assume same value as Conway

So roughly £5.65m before wages which the like of Birmingham cannot even compete with

So twice Blueboys estimate

BUT..we are getting bogged down by Symantics

As Khod alluded to league position and future league direction says regression

We are back were we were when Bowyer was appointed. 2 years to go nowhere. What a waste

Didn't sign King, Duffy is only 1.5m if he plays a certain number of games and we win promotion. Other than that, on the right lines.

[EgyptianPete]

the accusation was he took us backwards. He didn't, he had 2 top ten finishes in his only 2 full seasons in charge having taken over a basketcase of a club. This summer he had to sell £10m worth of talent including last years top scorer. He's also had to deal with an embargo whilst other teams in the league have spent big money. Whether people acknowledge it or not this is bound to affect a managers ability to bring in the players he wants and could improve us.

Why was his 'rein' up 18 months ago. Because he hadn't got us promotion? Do you think a midfield pairing of Willowe should have achieved that or was top ten about right?

What you're calling a regression is a bad start to the season. This season was never going to be easy but it's probably the right decision to let him go. Managers have a shelf-life at any club and Bowyer's is probably up. Does that negate the good he done for the club? No. We're still in a better position than when he took over so it quite clearly isn't 'regression', which is a very simplistic term considering all factors.

Okay those comments in Bold should answer your own post, the club knew embargo was on the way, why didn't he get in the players before, the midfield pairing says it all about Bowyer, sorry he had his chance and basically blew it the majority of fans stayed loyal, we could all see this season was going from bad to worse, a change had to be made, getting rid of the lot implies someone is about to be appointed, Venkys have never cleared the decks like this before so maybe they are being advised correctly for a change.

[Rover_Shaun]

Didn't sign King, Duffy is only 1.5m if he plays a certain number of games and we win promotion. Other than that, on the right lines.

King was signed permanently during Bowyers tenure. Therefore he wanted him, therefore it goes down as his buy.

OK then minus half of duffy's transfer fee and were at £4.9m.........not the most but not to be sniffed at and certainly not to be used as yet another excuse

But we have regressed back to were we were after Appleton was potted. That's the rub

[Gav]

Venky's realized he was out of his depth before you did. I'll just leave it at that.

Haven't you been championing Sherwood as a future manager Toppers?

Another coach promoted beyond his ability with less experience than Bowyer? that's been sacked twice because he's useless?

We can't all be right all time pal.....

[EWOODACE1]

Dull, boring arrogant know it all ..everything he did at villa I hated and I prayed he got theme relegated ..I just hate him I have no idea how it Came about I just do

That's how I feel about him. Don't really know why I dislike him so much but I do. Saying this I will back whoever comes in

[blueboy3333]

*from web sources

Duffy £1.5m

Marshall £1m

Evans £750k

Cairney 500k

King £1m

Gestede £300k

Conway Undisclosed........I'd say £300k at least

Steel Undisclosed.........I'd assume same value as Conway

So roughly £5.65m before wages which the like of Birmingham cannot even compete with

So twice Blueboys estimate

BUT..we are getting bogged down by Symantics

As Khod alluded to league position and future league direction says regression

We are back were we were when Bowyer was appointed. 2 years to go nowhere. What a waste

Duffy was £300k rising to £1.5m based on ? but the original outlay was £300k (in the LT)

Conway AND Gestede cost £300k in total (been in the LT a few times that)

Steele was £100k (also in the LT)

King????????

Marshall £1m

Cairney £500k

Evans £750K

Pretty much £3m. Revisionism my arse!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

You put your wedge on Black and Red has just come up. You need to move on matey.

[tomphil]

Duffy was £300k rising to £1.5m based on ? but the original outlay was £300k (in the LT)

Conway AND Gestede cost £300k in total (been in the LT a few times that)

Steele was £100k (also in the LT)

King????????

Marshall £1m

Cairney £500k

Evans £750K

Pretty much £3m. Revisionism my arse!

Presumably you'd be quite happy to forget all this if Big Mick was now coming in though