[Archived] Bowyer Sacked

[blueboy3333]

Presumably you'd be quite happy to forget all this if Big Mick was now coming in though

Nah, gone off big Mick, he was so last month

P.S. you can want someone sacked but still aprreciate the job he's done!

You put your wedge on Black and Red has just come up. You need to move on matey.

i thought you had, but you're back to score points. good lad.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I said at the time of the appointment and still stand by it that the promotional leap was far too great (to go from youth team coach to Manager is massive, far greater than the leap even Kean made) and promoting from within rarely if ever works in football.

He's gone and I am sure if he is as good as some people keep telling me then he will get another gig somewhere. Perhaps look for an Assistant Manager job under a good manager if he wants to really learn, though he will have a taste of management now that will be hard to give up.

And there is no ill will towards him from me even though I thought some of his comments towards the end were ridiculous but clearly he was a man under pressure that was trying to save his job. He was just the wrong hire for Rovers.

[Amo]

Haven't you been championing Sherwood as a future manager Toppers?

Another coach promoted beyond his ability with less experience than Bowyer? that's been sacked twice because he's useless?

We can't all be right all time pal.....

Sherwood wouldn't be my first, second, third, fourth, or even fifth choice, but if push came to shove, I wouldn't be unhappy with his appointment.

Away from the pressure of the Premier League and its cheque book culture, he would have to rely mainly on his motivational skills, and I think they could have a galvanizing effect on this group of players. There's always going to be the question of what happens once that initial shot in the arm wears off and his tactical limitations are exposed, and it's a perfectly valid one, but let's not take it for granted that this would happen. You don't necessarily need to be a tactical genius to get ahead in management. A lot of managers have made their name by keeping it simple and employing a high-tempo, pressing game.

[Tardyrover]

Always bit wary on journos putting forward one manager (Lambert) and increasing the price of another to get it. There is zero value now in Lambert getting it, however if someone comes from nowhere over the next few days then someone will make some brass.

Most betting firms have a smallish payout limit of say 5k for these sort of bets. It always leaks so they have to protect against it.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Sherwood wouldn't be my first, second, third, fourth, or even fifth choice, but if push came to shove, I wouldn't be unhappy with his appointment.

Away from the pressure of the Premier League and its cheque book culture, he would have to rely mainly on his motivational skills, and I think they could have a galvanizing effect on this group of players. There's always going to be the question of what happens once that initial shot in the arm wears off and his tactical limitations are exposed, and it's a perfectly valid one, but let's not take it for granted that this would happen. You don't necessarily need to be a tactical genius to get ahead in management. A lot of managers have made their name by keeping it simple and employing a high-tempo, pressing game.

I'm not a big Sherwood fan as a manager. To be honest I wasn't his greatest fan as a player. He was the sort of player that would murder the opposition once the team had got on top but he'd never get you on top. A bit like Bohinen in that respect. The Shearer's, Batty's, Hendry's, Bergs had to do that. Not the sort of muck and nettles midfielder that inspires other players when they join the management ranks like Souey did.

Would he be an improvement on Bowyer ? For me, definitely. Is he an improvement over Pearson or Lambert or the foreign guy who managed Watford ? Not in my opinion. Some good choices out there, please get this one right.

[Husky]

Thanks to those that did place the hand on thy sacred Gaz pic and ask thy universe for an answer.

We did it guys!!! You know who you are! Keep bending those spoons!

[Guest]

Simon Garner is "disgusted by the actions of the owners" for sacking Bowyer.

Bowyer was what we needed at the time in order to stop the rot. With a good appointment, hopefully we'll be less divided.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I think we can all agree Gary was ill-equipped for the role he found himself in, in particular being too cautious and not being able to positively affect a game through tactical switches or substitutions. But there are some positives from his reign: we didn't get relegated again; are doing better than Bolton, who came down with us; didn't lose many 5-2's at home unlike the Tom Cairney inspired Fulham last weekend, and we have enough decent players to form a nucleus of a team that can make a run at promotion. That's not a terrible legacy.

Much of the ire against him has been for periperal reasons imo: what he said; demeanor on the touchline; not getting us promoted because the money would run out, last window of opportunity etc. None of that mattered.

The new guy has fewer exuses to hand than Gary did when he took over, that's for sure.

[DE.]

Bowyer's race had simply been run. He should never really have been given the job full time, but considering his total lack of experience as a first team manager he probably performed above expectations. It just leaves you wondering what an experienced, decent manager could have done with the same team Gary had. Assuming Bowyer had stayed on after his caretaker role, what could have been achieved if we'd had Bowyer's eye for a player combined with a proper manager at the helm?

A hugely missed opportunity for me, and the new manager will have a much tougher task in getting us up into the playoff places.

[Black Burn]

Bowyer's race had simply been run. He should never really have been given the job full time, but considering his total lack of experience as a first team manager he probably performed above expectations. It just leaves you wondering what an experienced, decent manager could have done with the same team Gary had. Assuming Bowyer had stayed on after his caretaker role, what could have been achieved if we'd had Bowyer's eye for a player combined with a proper manager at the helm?

A hugely missed opportunity for me, and the new manager will have a much tougher task in getting us up into the playoff places.

I know I should shut up because I'm annoying everyone, but I just want to raise a point.

If we had an experienced, decent manager instead of Gary Bowyer, we wouldn't be having the team we had last season or this season. I don't think that manager would have brought in Rudy Gestede, Corey Evans, Tom Cairney, Shane Duffy, Ben Marshall, etc. like Bowyer. We probably would have an almost completely different team.

Whether that team would be better or worse than what we did have, is up to debate.

[DE.]

I know I should shut up because I'm annoying everyone, but I just want to raise a point.

If we had an experienced, decent manager instead of Gary Bowyer, we wouldn't be having the team we had last season or this season. I don't think that manager would have brought in Rudy Gestede, Corey Evans, Tom Cairney, Shane Duffy, Ben Marshall, etc. like Bowyer. We probably would have an almost completely different team.

Whether that team would be better or worse than what we did have, is up to debate.

That's why I added to the scenario Bowyer staying on after his caretaker role read again chief.

Also, entirely possible another manager would have built a better team than Bowyer if he had left.

[Silas]

I know I should shut up because I'm annoying everyone, but I just want to raise a point.

If we had an experienced, decent manager instead of Gary Bowyer, we wouldn't be having the team we had last season or this season. I don't think that manager would have brought in Rudy Gestede, Corey Evans, Tom Cairney, Shane Duffy, Ben Marshall, etc. like Bowyer. We probably would have an almost completely different team.

Whether that team would be better or worse than what we did have, is up to debate.

That's a fair enough comment BB, but in a sense also shows why he had to go.

It's like a chef in a top restaurant being great at sourcing the best, freshest, and highest quality ingredients from around the world. But if he then cobbles those ingredients together in a total botch job, amateurish way then the customers aren't going to be happy, the business is going to fail and he's going to be out of a job.

You then have 2 choices - keep him sourcing all the ingredients, and get a better chef in to cook them. Or ditch him, and get a new chef in who might not have the same supply network but who is skilled at blending the ingredients together to create great food.

Venky's appear to have chosen the latter. And I don't blame them. You need a balance, and GB's skill set was far too lopsided and was showing no signs that he was learning or strengthening his weak points. I mean he hasn't even improved his PR/media side of the job over the years, if anything it's got worse.

[oldjamfan1]

That's a fair enough comment BB, but in a sense also shows why he had to go.

It's like a chef in a top restaurant being great at sourcing the best, freshest, and highest quality ingredients from around the world. But if he then cobbles those ingredients together in a total botch job, amateurish way then the customers aren't going to be happy, the business is going to fail and he's going to be out of a job.

You then have 2 choices - keep him sourcing all the ingredients, and get a better chef in to cook them. Or ditch him, and get a new chef in who might not have the same supply network but who is skilled at blending the ingredients together to create great food.

Venky's appear to have chosen the latter. And I don't blame them. You need a balance, and GB's skill set was far too lopsided and was showing no signs that he was learning or strengthening his weak points. I mean he hasn't even improved his PR/media side of the job over the years, if anything it's got worse.

What a wonderful analogy

[arbitro]

Simon Garner is "disgusted by the actions of the owners" for sacking Bowyer.

Bowyer was what we needed at the time in order to stop the rot. With a good appointment, hopefully we'll be less divided.

Garner is the antithesis as a pundit to what he was as a goalscorer. I gave up reading his tiresome Telegraph articles ages ago.

[A cup of beans]

Garner is the antithesis as a pundit to what he was as a goalscorer. I gave up reading his tiresome Telegraph articles ages ago.

Same goes for 'Kean apologist, Kevin Gallacher'

He's the worst pundit around.

Something off with him, and I never took to him even as a player.

[Rover_Shaun]

Gallachers a nice fella. Had a few chats in the Shajan with him as he's waited for a take out after Rovers commentary gigs. Though as Bowyer showed being nice isn't enough.

I find Gallacher slates the team for organisation, effort and skill in most games so he can't really say he's unhappy.

A bit like me castigating the club for the sacking.

Garner, though a footballing ledge, sounds like a goon on the radio and in print. He's a nice fella too.

It's all about opinions

[G Somerset Rover]

Garner is the antithesis as a pundit to what he was as a goalscorer. I gave up reading his tiresome Telegraph articles ages ago.

The whole LET Rovers' section needs a revamp IMO. Bayes, for example, gave GB the easiest ride of his life and then I saw a tweet yesterday along the lines from him of "probably the right time to let him go". Couldn't make it up.

[Mattyblue]

Couldn't care less what the pundits think, nobody ever does a bad job in the cosy football industry.

Lambert does take over, we go on a run and the very same people will be all: 'it was time for a change, Lambert is showing the experience of a man that has been there and done it'. etc etc.

p.s. Always grates on me when Gallacher and Garns refer to us on the radio and in print as 'Blackburn', just seems odd for a local like Gallacher and someone who spent so much time at the club in SG.

[yoda]

Couldn't care less what the pundits think, nobody ever does a bad job in the cosy football industry.

Lambert does take over, we go on a run and the very same people will be all: 'it was time for a change, Lambert is showing the experience of a man that has been there and done it'. etc etc.

p.s. Always grates on me when Gallacher and Garns refer to us on the radio and in print as 'Blackburn', just seems odd for a local like Gallacher and someone who spent so much time at the club in SG.

Correct, we are the original and one and only

ROVERS

[RibbleValleyRover]

Couldn't care less what the pundits think, nobody ever does a bad job in the cosy football industry.

Lambert does take over, we go on a run and the very same people will be all: 'it was time for a change, Lambert is showing the experience of a man that has been there and done it'. etc etc.

p.s. Always grates on me when Gallacher and Garns refer to us on the radio and in print as 'Blackburn', just seems odd for a local like Gallacher and someone who spent so much time at the club in SG.

Just heard Sutton's comments to Radio Lancs, it's more of the same. They have really bought into this embargo excuse that the LT and others have built up.

[gumboots]

Precisely why bowyer put it out there so often. Say it often enough and people forget all the time you had not under embargo

[martonrover]

The whole LET Rovers' section needs a revamp IMO. Bayes, for example, gave GB the easiest ride of his life and then I saw a tweet yesterday along the lines from him of "probably the right time to let him go". Couldn't make it up.

Radio Lancs & LT pundits sycophantic.

Even Garner was tweeting rubbish in support of Bowyer last night.

All very easy when you're not having to pay to watch.

[AJW]

So ... has shaw gone or was that just bull ?

[broadsword]

Just heard Sutton's comments to Radio Lancs, it's more of the same. They have really bought into this embargo excuse that the LT and others have built up.

All girls sticking together looking out for each other

[booth]

So ... has shaw gone or was that just bull ?

Nixon says it's a possibility, sooner or later. Thanks to Balaji.

Seems like Mrs D is allowing her brother a bit of freedom if AN is to be believed.