[Archived] Bowyer Sacked

[JBiz]

He's been sacked having took the team back to where he found it.

So we are back to a squad full of 35k+ players who offer nothing? A youth team full of Portuguese and agents sons and 5/6 games away from being 3 tier? Took us back to watch a group of players as opposed to a team? Took us back to a scenario where I have no pride in my team?

Give me a break Shaun.

[BlooBoy]

Very poor manager ? No not really just a good coach who never really fully crossed the great divide into being a manager. He managed the first team and appeared to maybe treat the players the same as he did at youth team level. Mainly because that's the only experience he could take into the job.

Will make a decent gaffer or better still head coach for a modest team who's happy to sit in the league that they are in and have no great pressure on them. Outside the Prem and top half of the Champ of course.

Tom ....he failed to get results and failed in the very least to try and provide something exciting for the paying public even when not backing it up with results.Its what happen on the pitch is how a manager is remembered.

Unfortunately that will be classed as "poor" management.

Lets all not get too sentimental ...after all the majority on here have posted they want him out...and out he is.

[den]

So we are back to a squad full of 35k+ players who offer nothing? A youth team full of Portuguese and agents sons and 5/6 games away from being 3 tier? Took us back to watch a group of players as opposed to a team? Took us back to a scenario where I have no pride in my team?

Give me a break Shaun.

He took us to a place where we could hardly win a game and where fans were walking away from what they were watching. How would you describe the team he'd assembled JB. I would say it had had a soft centre. It could lose games to any team, while on the other hand it hardly ever did anything against the better teams. It was time to move on. Time to try and do a whole lot better.

[Black Burn]

Tom ....he failed to get results and failed in the very least to try and provide something exciting for the paying public even when not backing it up with results.Its what happen on the pitch is how a manager is remembered.

Unfortunately that will be classed as "poor" management.

Lets all not get too sentimental ...after all the majority on here have posted they want him out...and out he is.

He also got us 8th and 9th in his 2 full seasons in charge. And built a good team centered around Jordan Rhodes (admittedly bought before he came in), Tom Cairney, Rudy Gestede (both sold), Ben Marshall, Craig Conway, Corey Evans, Shane Duffy, Tommy Spurr. Yes, some of his transfers turned out to be bad, but all managers have those.

Fortunately, that will be classed as "decent" management. Neither "poor" nor "excellent" but definitely decent. And I wouldn't have swapped him for the 15 or 16 managers who finished under him in those seasons.

[JBiz]

He took us to a place where we could hardly win a game and where fans were walking away from what they were watching. How would you describe the team he'd assembled JB. I would say it had had a soft centre. It could lose games to any team, while on the other hand it hardly ever did anything against the better teams. It was time to move on. Time to try and do a whole lot better.

Don't get me wrong I think it will prove to be a good decision if it's backed up with a proper appointment, but Shaun said he'd taken us back to what he took over.

IMO - for me to agree with this would take a MIB memory flash or lobotomy.

[BlooBoy]

He also got us 8th and 9th in his 2 full seasons in charge. And built a good team centered around Jordan Rhodes (admittedly bought before he came in), Tom Cairney, Rudy Gestede (both sold), Ben Marshall, Craig Conway, Corey Evans, Shane Duffy, Tommy Spurr. Yes, some of his transfers turned out to be bad, but all managers have those.

Fortunately, that will be classed as "decent" management. Neither "poor" nor "excellent" but definitely decent. And I wouldn't have swapped him for the 15 or 16 managers who finished under him in those seasons.

Maybe in the short term he may be remembered for such things but in years to come looking at the record books it will not look very good.

(ps personally id remove Duffy and Spurr from that list)

[tomphil]

Tom ....he failed to get results and failed in the very least to try and provide something exciting for the paying public even when not backing it up with results.Its what happen on the pitch is how a manager is remembered.

Unfortunately that will be classed as "poor" management.

Lets all not get too sentimental ...after all the majority on here have posted they want him out...and out he is.

I've been in his top ten regular critics mate so no need to point his failings out to me but there has to be some perspective. He was never a manager in the first place.

No sentimentality from me I'm glad he's gone I'd have potted him last Christmas for sure when it all became about arse covering for him imo. I'm big enough to offer him a bit of credit though and I don't think he's the duck egg he's made out to be. I'll not put him down as one of the worst managers in my time of watching, although his win rate suggests he might be, because of all the factors involved. Those accolades go to coco, Kidd, Ince etc.

Anyway the coach is gone, long live the MANAGER !!!!

[blueboy3333]

So we are back to a squad full of 35k+ players who offer nothing? A youth team full of Portuguese and agents sons and 5/6 games away from being 3 tier? Took us back to watch a group of players as opposed to a team? Took us back to a scenario where I have no pride in my team?

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Quite. he also brought people into the club who have rebuilt the Academy after is was completely destroyed by arseholes who had no interest in the fortunes of BRFC. The Academy seems to be thriving now with good people running it, people who have been kept on despite Bowyer being potted.

[BlooBoy]

I've been in his top ten regular critics mate so no need to point his failings out to me but there has to be some perspective. He was never a manager in the first place.

No sentimentality from me I'm glad he's gone I'd have potted him last Christmas for sure when it all became about arse covering for him imo. I'm big enough to offer him a bit of credit though and I don't think he's the duck egg he's made out to be. I'll not put him down as one of the worst managers in my time of watching, although his win rate suggests he might be, because of all the factors involved. Those accolades go to coco, Kidd, Ince etc.

Anyway the coach is gone, long live the MANAGER !!!!

Fair play Tom .

Onwards and upwards hopefully!

[blueboy3333]

Maybe in the short term he may be remembered for such things but in years to come looking at the record books it will not look very good.

(ps personally id remove Duffy and Spurr from that list)

two top ten finishes will look very good when viewed in context with what went on in the 3 years before him. Clubs have dropped into the lower league never to return in similar circumstances. Bowyer has done a great job in rebuilding the football side of the club at all levels. We have a lot to be grateful to him for.

Hopefully now Lambert can build on the foundations Bowyer has laid.

[Black Burn]

I'll not put him down as one of the worst managers in my time of watching, although his win rate suggests he might be, because of all the factors involved. Those accolades go to coco, Kidd, Ince etc.

His overall win rate is about 35%, which is actually quite comparable to Sam Allardyce, better than Berg, Appleton and Kean, etc.

And we're not even looking at the other clubs.

So I don't think his win rate suggests that. Granted, you can't compare him to Allardyce because one is in the championship and the other in the premiership, but honestly his win rate isn't one of the worst. Not the best either. As I said, decent.

[Athlete]

Time to close this thread and get behind the new manager

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

The guy was boring and uninspiring, his football was boring and uninspiring. Most of the time he hadn't a clue what his best team was. The line up changed almost every game. People say " he's a good coach ". Really ? You could have fooled me. To me we didn't looked coached to any real degree at all. How many players have we signed that have shown signs of significant improvement in their play and how many have either stagnated or gone backwards during his time here. People were voting with their feet regarding what was on display at Ewood Park.

I'd have thanked him at the end of the season we stayed up but I would have sought a " Lambert " style manager in the close season immediately afterwards. This was only going to end the way it did and we've gone backwards both on and off the field in his time here.

[arbitro]

The guy was boring and uninspiring, his football was boring and uninspiring. Most of the time he hadn't a clue what his best team was. The line up changed almost every game. People say " he's a good coach ". Really ? You could have fooled me. To me we didn't looked coached to any real degree at all. How many players have we signed that have shown signs of significant improvement in their play and how many have either stagnated or gone backwards during his time here. People were voting with their feet regarding what was on display at Ewood Park.

I'd have thanked him at the end of the season we stayed up but I would have sought a " Lambert " style manager in the close season immediately afterwards. This was only going to end the way it did and we've gone backwards both on and off the field in his time here.

As a person Lambert comes across as boring and monotone but I believe that is where the similarity with Bowyer ends. He is tactically astute and will surround himself with like minded people. And one real important difference will be that he won't be too close to the players. I don't think there will be many nicknames used publicly and he certainly won't be filmed squirting water on his captain.

All assuming he is appointed of course.

[Mattyblue]

For me it's not as easy as simply saying 'he should have been potted x amounts of months/'years earlier'.

Took over as caretaker, did well, got the job.

First full season, we plodded along, then had a storming finish (the Easter matches nightmare aside), we beat Wigan last day of the season and I think we all felt a bit of hope.

Second full season, I actually got to the ground for the first game with a spring in my step, did well till Christmas pushing top 6. Performances tailed off dramatically in the new year.

Third full season, started off with that reverse momentum from the previous year. Indeed, his record in 2015 was very poor.

Personally speaking, I could see the signs towards the back end of last season, as a team we looked completly void of inspiration and tactical knowhow, crowds dwindling and the team just crying out for a kick up the arse.

The summer would have been the right time for a change all round- the early season sacking that never was post Brighton was another chance.

Good bloke, good club man, however just not ready, but he'll come again.

[gumboots]

Was the post Brighton moment when they actually decided he had to go and started looking. Story got leaked as he's been sacked when it was actually, when we've had a look at what's available he'll have to go?

[martonrover]

For me the Bowyer era reminded me of the early 2000's when I had hemorrhoids.

Tuesday felt as good as it did when I had them ligated.

A new chapter awaits.

[Black Burn]

For me the Bowyer era reminded me of the early 2000's when I had hemorrhoids.

Tuesday felt as good as it did when I had them ligated.

A new chapter awaits.

I dread to think what the Kean and Appleton era reminded you of.

[blueboy3333]

For me it's not as easy as simply saying 'he should have been potted x amounts of months/'years earlier'.

Took over as caretaker, did well, got the job.

First full season, we plodded along, then had a storming finish (the Easter matches nightmare aside), we beat Wigan last day of the season and I think we all felt a bit of hope.

Second full season, I actually got to the ground for the first game with a spring in my step, did well till Christmas pushing top 6. Performances tailed off dramatically in the new year.

Third full season, started off with that reverse momentum from the previous year. Indeed, his record in 2015 was very poor.

Personally speaking, I could see the signs towards the back end of last season, as a team we looked completly void of inspiration and tactical knowhow, crowds dwindling and the team just crying out for a kick up the arse.

The summer would have been the right time for a change all round- the early season sacking that never was post Brighton was another chance.

Good bloke, good club man, however just not ready, but he'll come again.

Yes, it all started to go a bit tits up from just before Christmas last year. I was really optimistic at the Boro home game. We played really well, although we only drew (just for a change) and more than matched one of the more fancied teams, actually pressing them all over the pitch. After that it went downhill. The cup run saved him to a certain extent and probably meant he kept his job this summer. The bad start to this season finished him off.

[booth]

Don't forget Millwall...there were many here and on Facebook wanting Ian Holloway to come manage us, but look at what he did to Millwall. And he actually brought Crystal Palace backward - the only reason why they got promoted was because Dougie Freedman did most of the job beforehand, if I remember correctly.

There are worse managers than Bowyer. There are also better managers than Bowyer. He doesn't belong to the "terrible" or "very poor" category, and as with the Holloway example, some fans are too quick to judge on whether a manager is successful or a failure.

So you're going to compare Bowyer to McCarthy who has promotion on his CV and sweet fa to spend at Ipswich. And now you're comparing him to Holloway who had sweet FA to spend at the 3 clubs he was last at but gained two promotions.

Dougie Freedman did it you say. Is that the same Dougie Freedman so derided for his excellent work getting Bolton promoted?

You should work for the government.

I dread to think what the Kean and Appleton era reminded you of.

The Kean era was an anomoly. It wasn't an era or even piles, it was the equivalent of someone breaking into your house, stealing and smashing up your belongings, taking a massive dump on your sofa then getting compensation for stubbing their toe on the way out.

[Black Burn]

So you're going to compare Bowyer to McCarthy who has promotion on his CV and sweet fa to spend at Ipswich. And now you're comparing him to Holloway who had sweet FA to spend at the 3 clubs he was last at but gained two promotions.

Dougie Freedman did it you say. Is that the same Dougie Freedman so derided for his excellent work getting Bolton promoted?

You should work for the government.

Actually, you just made my point for me.

Just because McCarthy didn't get Ipswich promoted doesn't make him a bad manager - isn't that what I've been saying all this while?

Well, I'm not sure about the Freedman versus Holloway thing, but I recall Freedman had Crystal Palace on automatic promotion spots, Holloway came in and they kind of slid down, barely making it through playoffs. And yeah, I think Freedman did a bad job at Bolton, but I think you will definitely jump at having him to replace Bowyer since you seem to think Bowyer is the worst of the worst. And Holloway got sacked when Crystal Palace fell toward relegation.

But does that make Holloway a bad manager? I doubt it.

What makes you think I don't already work for the government?

[Tom]

Out of interest Black Burn do you have a season ticket and Witness Bowyers brand of football?

In my opinion it was turgid - I don't go to away games so can't comment too much on that.

[Black Burn]

Out of interest Black Burn do you have a season ticket and Witness Bowyers brand of football?

In my opinion it was turgid - I don't go to away games so can't comment too much on that.

I live in Asia, unfortunately (look at my location).

I don't blame you if you think Bowyer's style is boring - I was lucky enough to watch the Charlton game on streams online, but that's one of the rare matches I watched.

To be honest, the style of football doesn't matter - results did and that's ultimately what cost Bowyer his job, no? Moyes, Allardyce, McCarthy, etc. all play boring football, but I'm sure we'll all take them in a heartbeat.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I live in Asia, unfortunately (look at my location).

I don't blame you if you think Bowyer's style is boring - I was lucky enough to watch the Charlton game on streams online, but that's one of the rare matches I watched.

To be honest, the style of football doesn't matter - results did and that's ultimately what cost Bowyer his job, no? Moyes, Allardyce, McCarthy, etc. all play boring football, but I'm sure we'll all take them in a heartbeat.

To a point you're right about the style of football being less important than the results. After all Howard Kendall's team seemed to specialise in 1-0 wins. Having said that if you get the football right usually the results will follow.

What I want to see is a team out there consistently playing to the best of their ability, whatever the level of ability that is. A team that has a coherent, thought out, pattern of play where you can see why players are playing in the positions they are in. Were their abilities are suited to the roles they are given. No more square pegs in round holes. A team that wants to win more than the opposition. A team that will run further, harder and longer than the opposition. A team that isn't consistently out enthused by lesser teams.

That will do for a start. Once that happens we can start out footballing other teams.

[Tom]

Of course in football the results are the main thing but at the same time if the football itself is as dull as it has been it's an issue.