[Archived] Official: Paul Lambert Appointed Blackburn Rovers Manager

[K-Hod]

"Asked if the barren spell was affecting Browns confidence, Lambert said: Hes fine. Ive not heard fans booing their own player before. Its never nice, hes part of our team, hes doing everything for the football club, so you hope people can see it. Hes our player, hes doing everything he can to help the team.

It cant have been nice for him. Hes got team-mates in there who really like him. Hes our player.

He needs the fans, everybody needs them and well need them (tonight). Every player wants to be loved. Maybe the reaction was a bit much."

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14310531._I___ve_not_heard_fans_booing_their_own_player_before____Blackburn_Rovers_boss_backs_striker_Chris_Brown/?ref=mac

I expect some might be annoyed by that, but I agree. Chris Brown is another "scapegoat"!

Don't often take much notice of interviews, but I like that PL has pointed this out. Only problem is how those "booers" and @#/? takers see it.

We both mentioned this on Saturday pal, and agreed it was embarrassing. Though he wasn't booed, he was cheered as he went off, it's equally bad, and it isn't the first time it's happened to him, but it's important to note what actually happened! There was plenty of booing on Saturday anyway for other things!

[Tom]

As I said in another thread he's an Allardyce type; he's the expert and he won't bow to pressure from fans.

Fair play to him, Brown was crap on Saturday but Lamberts comments are spot on

[ABBEY]

"Asked if the barren spell was affecting Browns confidence, Lambert said: Hes fine. Ive not heard fans booing their own player before. Its never nice, hes part of our team, hes doing everything for the football club, so you hope people can see it. Hes our player, hes doing everything he can to help the team.

It cant have been nice for him. Hes got team-mates in there who really like him. Hes our player.

He needs the fans, everybody needs them and well need them (tonight). Every player wants to be loved. Maybe the reaction was a bit much."

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14310531._I___ve_not_heard_fans_booing_their_own_player_before____Blackburn_Rovers_boss_backs_striker_Chris_Brown/?ref=mac

I expect some might be annoyed by that, but I agree. Chris Brown is another "scapegoat"!

Don't often take much notice of interviews, but I like that PL has pointed this out. Only problem is how those "booers" and @#/? takers see it.

scape|goat

NOUN

1. a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency

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   use|less

   ADJECTIVE

   1. not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome:

[Mattyblue]

We all know Brown is a very poor player.

However, he's obviously popular with his team mates and I can imagine the events on Saturday have gone down badly with the squad- evidenced by the players pretty much bolting off the pitch at full time.

"Mard arses" "they are paid x amount of quid to handle it"

All true, however they are the players we have and it is not a good idea to be at loggerheads with your own players.

[JBiz]

Abbey, football is a team game.

"People look and see hes not scoring, but he takes a lot of weight off other people with the physical battles that some people wont do. Hell tie people up through his physicality and the way he plays.

The goals arent coming for him at the minute but different parts of his game are helping us."

I agree with PL. He certainly isn't a quality player but he brings aspects completely overlooked by some fans.

Bennett and Gomez both found the net, but contributed just as little for huge parts of Saturday, hence;

"a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency."

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Nobody would like to see a mate suffer and it seems clear that the players like and respect Brown.

Obviously, many of the players are hired hands passing through who don't really have a handle on the misery of the last five years but, as has been pointed out, getting on the wrong side with the players can only be counter productive. We want them going at those Dingle b@st@rds for us after all.

It might also be the case that word will get around the players circuit that Rovers fans are not good to play for. That could be a telling factor come the opening of the summer window.

[JHRover]

Interesting comments from Lambert re. the possibility of signing Jordi Gomez on a permanent deal in the summer:

"We have to leave it at the minute because of the money situation"

"This club has some big calls in the summer in the way it wants to go. I'm pretty sure the owners will have a say on that"

"The way he's playing it would be a no-brainer to try and keep him"

Various ways of interpreting those comments. Either he's in the dark about their true intentions and merely hopes they are going to support him, or he's deliberately playing his cards close to his chest to keep rivals in the dark as to what is at his disposal in the summer.

[oldjamfan1]

Scapegoat - a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

The perfect example of this was what I posted when I got back from the game on Saturday. Brown jumps well against his centre half and wins a header, flicks it on, nobody reads it and it rolls harmlessly through to the keeper. Graham should have been anticipating that flick-on, but the crowd berated Chris Brown instead. So, while I agree that as a centre forward he should be chipping in with SOME goals, getting on his back constantly even when he's actually not done anything wrong, is the epitome of scapegoating somebody and is totally counter productive.

[chor808]

Interesting comments from Lambert re. the possibility of signing Jordi Gomez on a permanent deal in the summer:

"We have to leave it at the minute because of the money situation"

"This club has some big calls in the summer in the way it wants to go. I'm pretty sure the owners will have a say on that"

"The way he's playing it would be a no-brainer to try and keep him"

Various ways of interpreting those comments. Either he's in the dark about their true intentions and merely hopes they are going to support him, or he's deliberately playing his cards close to his chest to keep rivals in the dark as to what is at his disposal in the summer.

Very worring comments indeed. It's like he has not be promised funds but knows full well he needs them. Perhaps he was not given a promise of X million to spend.

[K-Hod]

Interesting comments from Lambert re. the possibility of signing Jordi Gomez on a permanent deal in the summer:

"We have to leave it at the minute because of the money situation"

"This club has some big calls in the summer in the way it wants to go. I'm pretty sure the owners will have a say on that"

"The way he's playing it would be a no-brainer to try and keep him"

Various ways of interpreting those comments. Either he's in the dark about their true intentions and merely hopes they are going to support him, or he's deliberately playing his cards close to his chest to keep rivals in the dark as to what is at his disposal in the summer.

I imagine he knows as much as any of us about funding for the summer. Presumably, he's alluding to meeting with Venky's at the end of the season and explaining what needs to be done, should promotion be their aim. In any case, Venky's are that unpredictable as ever, we'll have to ride it out.....

[Bucksrover]

I imagine he knows as much as any of us about funding for the summer. Presumably, he's alluding to meeting with Venky's at the end of the season and explaining what needs to be done, should promotion be their aim. In any case, Venky's are that unpredictable as ever, we'll have to ride it out.....

If he hasn't been promised funds I find it very odd that he took the job.

[JHRover]

I imagine he knows as much as any of us about funding for the summer. Presumably, he's alluding to meeting with Venky's at the end of the season and explaining what needs to be done, should promotion be their aim. In any case, Venky's are that unpredictable as ever, we'll have to ride it out.....

Possibly, although if that's the case I can't understand why he would actively want Jordan Rhodes to be sold. He must have pushed that with some sort of promise he would get the proceeds, otherwise he might as well have kept him until the summer, even if it meant dropping him to the bench and using him as a sub. No benefit to Lambert in selling him without getting the money to strengthen.

[ABBEY]

Interesting comments from Lambert re. the possibility of signing Jordi Gomez on a permanent deal in the summer:

"We have to leave it at the minute because of the money situation"

"This club has some big calls in the summer in the way it wants to go. I'm pretty sure the owners will have a say on that"

"The way he's playing it would be a no-brainer to try and keep him"

Various ways of interpreting those comments. Either he's in the dark about their true intentions and merely hopes they are going to support him, or he's deliberately playing his cards close to his chest to keep rivals in the dark as to what is at his disposal in the summer.

Sounds like all these 15 million pound rumours are of nicko's 50m ilk

[donnermeat]

I wasnt chanting for Brown to be sent off and I didn't cheer when he was substituted, I would never boo a Rovers player (besides from Bradley Orr). But let's not beat about the bush here, Brown isn't good enough. He barely wins 25% of balls played up to him and that's supposed to be his bread and butter! It seems to me like he thinks 'job done' just for getting a head on it. I admire his work rate and the guy is obviously trying his best (something which deserves support imo) but he simply doesn't have the quality required. In fact I'd be surprised if a League One team took a punt on him next season, with regards to his performances the last 18 months.

If the club offers him a new contract I would be astounded and appalled.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

"Asked if the barren spell was affecting Browns confidence, Lambert said: Hes fine. Ive not heard fans booing their own player before. Its never nice, hes part of our team, hes doing everything for the football club, so you hope people can see it. Hes our player, hes doing everything he can to help the team.

It cant have been nice for him. Hes got team-mates in there who really like him. Hes our player.

He needs the fans, everybody needs them and well need them (tonight). Every player wants to be loved. Maybe the reaction was a bit much."

http://m.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/14310531._I___ve_not_heard_fans_booing_their_own_player_before____Blackburn_Rovers_boss_backs_striker_Chris_Brown/?ref=mac

I expect some might be annoyed by that, but I agree. Chris Brown is another "scapegoat"!

Don't often take much notice of interviews, but I like that PL has pointed this out. Only problem is how those "booers" and @#/? takers see it.

Couldn't agree more with that post and Lambert's comments. The scapegoating culture in football is utterly pathetic and amounts to nothing more than bullying. Have a go at all the players and you'll generally get ignored, have a go at one player as a one-off and you'll get ignored, have a go at one player constantly and you might be able to get to him. Its plain and simple bullying, the underlying human condition that causes people to feel more secure about themselves if they can effectively criticise someone else.

In the Big Sam days me and a mate used to play a game of guess today's scapegoat but gave up after a while because it was way too easy. Andrews, if he's not playing Roberts, if he's not playing Pedersen. You could have done it under Hughes with Mokoena -> Emerton -> Pedersen. Memory gets a bit hazy going further back, Bent/Yorke under Souness, Atkins/Wilcox in the title era. Course in most cases these were our weaker players, but they all clearly had good qualities because in every case good managers with far more knowledge than fans kept playing them.

And rather than give appropriate weight to these qualities and praise them when they did well, you got the regular stream of mindless expletives balled out from the stands and a sort of sullen, embarrassed silence when the scapegoat player scored or won Man of the Match. I used to console myself with the idea that every club's fans are the same but with Lambert saying he's never heard it to that level before, all I can say is well done those who joined in, you're breaking new ground for how **** football fans can be.

[DE.]

The Chris Brunt incident was worse, for a start. Fellaini has also got dogs abuse from United fans at various points, including being jeered when touching the ball and cheered loudly upon substitution. Strangely that doesn't come up too often though.

[JAL]

Abbey, football is a team game.

"People look and see hes not scoring, but he takes a lot of weight off other people with the physical battles that some people wont do. Hell tie people up through his physicality and the way he plays.

The goals arent coming for him at the minute but different parts of his game are helping us."

I agree with PL. He certainly isn't a quality player but he brings aspects completely overlooked by some fans.

Bennett and Gomez both found the net, but contributed just as little for huge parts of Saturday, hence;

"a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency."

It would seem the Rovers fans have reached their conclusion enough said. Time to move on for all concerned don't you think.

Everyone can only wish Chris Brown the best in his next career move.

[gumboots]

I don't boo individual players, never have and never will. However, brown was especially useless the other day and I can understand the frustration that can boil over into boos. Against Fulham, despite being useless in terms of the job he's supposed to do, he harried closed down and was generally a handful. On Saturday he was useless without the extra 10% we've seen up till now. It's not nice that he got booed and I can't condone it but surely Lambert understands why?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

It would seem the Rovers fans have reached their conclusion enough said.

Ok so say we've got about 10,000 fans and a manager at Ewood on matchday. Rough estimate:

1,500 have never played football.

4,000 have played with their mates/at school.

4,000 have played competitively in some measure.

200 have played semi-pro.

200 have coached semi-pro.

50-100 have made a full-time wage from either coaching or playing.

1 has made a full career out of playing at the highest domestic and international level, has multiple coaching badges, has managed at the top domestic level, has achieved huge success in tiers 2 and 3 domestically and is paid about half a million pounds a year.

The collection of, on the whole, and I happily include myself in this, fairly clueless amateurs reach one conclusion and the guy at the end reaches another. That's enough said is it? Guess that's the debate over with on Donald Trump then, the Americans have made their decision, enough said.

[JAL]

Ok so say we've got about 10,000 fans and a manager at Ewood on matchday. Rough estimate:

1,500 have never played football.

4,000 have played with their mates/at school.

4,000 have played competitively in some measure.

200 have played semi-pro.

200 have coached semi-pro.

50-100 have made a full-time wage from either coaching or playing.

1 has made a full career out of playing at the highest domestic and international level, has multiple coaching badges, has managed at the top domestic level, has achieved huge success in tiers 2 and 3 domestically and is paid about half a million pounds a year.

The collection of, on the whole, and I happily include myself in this, fairly clueless amateurs reach one conclusion and the guy at the end reaches another. That's enough said is it? Guess that's the debate over with on Donald Trump then, the Americans have made their decision, enough said.

Don't insult yourself SKH verdicts been made get on with it.

[jim mk2]

The notion that you cannot have a strong opinion unless you have played the game to a high level is of course a complete nonsense.

Most journalists will only have played the game at a low level and sometimes not at all but, like spectators, they have the experience and nous from watching and studying the game for a long time.

Rovers fans were vilified for booing Kean but they knew a charlatan and a poor manager when they saw one.

Brown cannot help his lack of ability but like Rhodes and others he has no excuse for not putting a shift in.

In short, supporters aren't fools and have every right to express their feelings.

Lambert's wrong on this one. Carry on booing.

[tomphil]

The Ewood jury has sat, the verdict is cast and it's a thumbs down for Browny. Only a hard shift tonight will give him a stay of execution. Score the winner on Saturday though and the lad is out of jail for free !

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Don't insult yourself SKH verdicts been made get on with it

Get on with giving up following Rovers? I can guarantee you I'll do just that if we ever reach the case where the fans make the decisions and not the manager. And we're not far off that it depressingly seems.

A fan collection swiftly relegated Ebbsfleet from the Conference after taking over only on things like player transfers. A part of me would bloody love some of the numpties at Rovers to take over mob rule of our management decisions just so they can finally see after about 4 consecutive relegations how clueless they are. Mind you it didn't seem to sink in much after Allardyce was sacked how moronic all the fan criticism of him had been, so there'd probably be a similar case of amnesia.

[Tom]

The notion that you cannot have a strong opinion unless you have played the game to a high level is of course a complete nonsense.

Most journalists will only have played the game at a low level and sometimes not at all but, like spectators, they have the experience and nous from watching and studying the game for a long time.

Rovers fans were vilified for booing Kean but they knew a charlatan and a poor manager when they saw one.

Brown cannot help his lack of ability but like Rhodes and others he has no excuse for not putting a shift in.

In short, supporters aren't fools and have every right to express their feelings.

Lambert's wrong on this one. Carry on booing.

The tossers will probably carry on booing him for his natural lack of ability, lack of effort isn't really something that he can be accused of.

Personally I wouldn't start him tonight but would certainly utilise him at some point to rough them up a bit and as a target if we need to go direct.

[punerover]

Can someone please explain to me the difference between Brown and Lowe? Why one gets more stick then the other?