[Archived] Official: Paul Lambert Appointed Blackburn Rovers Manager

[deryck guyler's spoon]

How on earth can Shane Duffy be rated 2nd in the whole division when he's not even 2nd in the Blackburn Rovers side. Strongly suspect this is agency connected data manipulating football for the poor football fan to digest.

Beware guys and gals of what you read these days.

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[JAL]

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[47er]

*sigh*

Round and round we go.

There are even Bowyer sceptics who concede that he had a good 18 months which was just what the club needed at the time and there are others who, for whatever reason, cannot accept that.

During that good 18 months other clubs were swirling down the plug hole but don't credit Bowyer for preventing our club suffering the same fate. Oh no, he was on the take don't you know? Sucking up to Mrs D, only interested in emphasising the percent profit on transfers.

Please PLEASE, tell me who these creative players are that you suggest that were 'disposed of' during Bowyer's reign. Rochina? Cairney? Are you prepared to acknowledge who brought in our most creative player?

Yes and do you know that there are even supporters who can't accept that Bowyer has gone, don't understand why and cannot believe that most Rovers fans are happy about it?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Yes and do you know that there are even supporters who can't accept that Bowyer has gone, don't understand why and cannot believe that most Rovers fans are happy about it?

There are? Who?

I'm aware of quite a few Rovers supporters who are grateful for the work Bowyer did but believed that it was time for a change. Are you maybe confusing the two?

[47er]

So,to sum up, you're glad he's gone but you are concerned to preserve his rightful legacy(as you see it)?

Is that it in a nutshell?

[tonyoz]

How on earth can Shane Duffy be rated 2nd in the whole division when he's not even 2nd in the Blackburn Rovers side. Strongly suspect this is agency connected data manipulating football for the poor football fan to digest.

Beware guys and gals of what you read these days.

Eh?

It's clear from the scores I quoted that Duffy is Blackburn's no.1 rated player.

Or, are you trying to say that it is your opinion that he is not a highly rated player?

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/5827/Stages/12497/PlayerStatistics/England-Championship-2015-2016

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Eh?

It's clear from the scores I quoted that Duffy is Blackburn's no.1 rated player.

Or, are you trying to say that it is your opinion that he is not a highly rated player?

Attempting to reason with JAL can only lead to despair and despondency.

[tonyoz]

Attempting to reason with JAL can only lead to despair and despondency.

I know.

[Stuart]

*sigh*

Round and round we go.

There are even Bowyer sceptics who concede that he had a good 18 months which was just what the club needed at the time and there are others who, for whatever reason, cannot accept that.

During that good 18 months other clubs were swirling down the plug hole but don't credit Bowyer for preventing our club suffering the same fate. Oh no, he was on the take don't you know? Sucking up to Mrs D, only interested in emphasising the percent profit on transfers.

Please PLEASE, tell me who these creative players are that you suggest that were 'disposed of' during Bowyer's reign. Rochina? Cairney? Are you prepared to acknowledge who brought in our most creative player?

We'll continue to go around and around - especially if you cherry pick parts of posts and ignore the salient bits. Promotion should have been the target with the players we had, avoiding relegation is what Bowyer seems to be being lauded for - despite him stating that promotion was the requirement. Sums up Bowyer's approach to games. Keep it safe and then make excuses. We need to be getting 100% out of players, not 70.

Applauding Bowyer bringing in our 'most creative player' is a moot point. If you get rid of players who are more creative and particularly 'attack minded' (a phrase I use deliberately) then whatever is left will have a 'best'. That said, he definitely got lucky with Marshall - and then did his utmost to play him out of position - even playing him at fullback FFS.

C'mon Deryck, you need to do a lot better than that. Bowyer leaving was a chance for a fresh start, looking upwards. People need to let go and get behind our first proper manager in FIVE years!!

[deryck guyler's spoon]

We'll continue to go around and around - especially if you cherry pick parts of posts and ignore the salient bits. Promotion should have been the target with the players we had, avoiding relegation is what Bowyer seems to be being lauded for - despite him stating that promotion was the requirement. Sums up Bowyer's approach to games. Keep it safe and then make excuses. We need to be getting 100% out of players, not 70.

Applauding Bowyer bringing in our 'most creative player' is a moot point. If you get rid of players who are more creative and particularly 'attack minded' (a phrase I use deliberately) then whatever is left will have a 'best'. That said, he definitely got lucky with Marshall - and then did his utmost to play him out of position - even playing him at fullback FFS.

C'mon Deryck, you need to do a lot better than that. Bowyer leaving was a chance for a fresh start, looking upwards. People need to let go and get behind our first proper manager in FIVE years!!

I'm VERY pro Lambert. I believe in him and desperately hope (believe) that he will deliver. That said, I'm VERY anti revisionist claptrap.

[Stuart]

I'm VERY pro Lambert. I believe in him and desperately hope (believe) that he will deliver. That said, I'm VERY anti revisionist claptrap.

Good then maybe you'll stop peddling this nonsense that Bowyer steadied the ship.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

Good then maybe you'll stop peddling this nonsense that Bowyer steadied the ship.

Oh ffs. Whatever.

[Stuart]

Oh ffs. Whatever.

[K-Hod]

47er summed it up nicely- steadied, stagnated, then left before it sank. Bowyer also bought Judge and sold him because of a lack of first team action. That was a terrible decision, particularly when we had no creativity in the middle of the park.

That's not revisionist anything, it's what happened.

[blueboy3333]

I'm VERY pro Lambert. I believe in him and desperately hope (believe) that he will deliver. That said, I'm VERY anti revisionist claptrap.

You're wasting your time mate, the same people who say GB should have got us promoted are the same ones who slag off Willo and Lowe as being not fit to wear the shirt. Then when it is suggested that the new manager should get us in the play-offs this season because we are only a few points away with over 20 games to go, this is dismissed as unrealistic. The reason sometimes given is that Bowyer had a 40-goal strikeforce at his disposal and this should have guaranteed promotion and now Lambert doesn't, ignoring the fact that GB actually bought half that strikeforece for a pittance and developed him into a £6m striker. Hopefully Lambert can pull equally prolific rabbits out of his hat. A lot of nonsense is also peddled about the fitness, ignoring the fact we played Burnley & Ipswich off the park for 90 mintes and they're supposed to be as fit as anyone in the league. This is now being used as an excuse for our dismal 2nd half performances under Lambert. Also, if Rhodes is credited with saving us from relegation then, using the same nonsensical logic, he must also be blamed for not getting us promotion.

Revisionist claptrap is a very apt description of the Bowyer haters...and they really do hate him despite their protestations to the contrary. A new manager guarantees nothing but in Lambert we have a far better one (on paper at least) than any of us could have hoped for or predicted. If he's as good as people on here say he is then the play-offs this season are easily achievable, especially given he will have scope for a few quality fee-paying loans in January. I'm hopeful he can do it but, unlike the Bowyer haters, i will understand entirely if he can't. There's no guarantees in a league where teams like Derby can spend £20m in one summer this season, teams like Watford can pluck quality players at will from their owners other club in Serie A, and B'mouth have just been hit with an FFP fine for overspending. Bowyer had about two transfer windows where he could spend even modest amounts (by the standards of this division) before the taps were turned off and the sunsequent embargo hit.

'Bowyer should have got us promoted' is frankly delusional, no matter what targets were set by our equally delusional owners.

In Lambert I Trust.

COYB!

[tomphil]

Bowyer was determined to try and build a midfield around Lowe and after getting Judge back, having a look and then formulating his own team. Probably just because he preferred the holding type rather than the industrious type. He backed the wrong horse, shame as that's what we needed but Judge just wouldn't have fit into Bowyers style of play so understandable from his point of view.

It was a crafty bit of business really getting him back for nowt then flogging him on although he'll be worth a good bit more now probably. If only it was 'Bowyer the Brave' instead of 'Gary the Safe' things may have moved forwards.

[blueboy3333]

47er summed it up nicely- steadied, stagnated, then left before it sank. Bowyer also bought Judge and sold him because of a lack of first team action. That was a terrible decision, particularly when we had no creativity in the middle of the park.

That's not revisionist anything, it's what happened.

Thought it was time to move on!?

One thing over 3 years is how you judge him, if you forgive the pun. At the time Bowyer said Judge wanted to leave for guaranteed 1st team football, something he couldn't give him. Who would you have dropped? Marshall Or Conway of whom were playing well when Judge arrived. Judge is not a CM and never has been. He plays out wide for Brentford, but at a push could play in the 'hole'. I think yours is the revisionist claptrap to which DGS refers.

Anyway, more on those 'failures'?

Bowyer was determined to try and build a midfield around Lowe and after getting Judge back, having a look and then formulating his own team. Probably just because he preferred the holding type rather than the industrious type. He backed the wrong horse, shame as that's what we needed but Judge just wouldn't have fit into Bowyers style of play so understandable from his point of view.

It was a crafty bit of business really getting him back for nowt then flogging him on although he'll be worth a good bit more now probably. If only it was 'Bowyer the Brave' instead of 'Gary the Safe' things may have moved forwards.

Judge isn't a CM though, never has been. I do wish we'd kept him though, he could have played just off Rhodes or in place of Marshall, but hindsight is a wonderful thing and at the time Marshall was playing well and we were going with two CF's.

Edit: Conway might not have been here when we re-signed Judge so it was a stupid decision to sell and Bowyer was rightfully sacked and mine is revisionist claptrap

[Amo]

In Lambert I Trust.

Not enough to get over the last "manager" it seems.

[blueboy3333]

Not enough to get over the last "manager" it seems.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Regardless, i'm over him a lot more than those who still feel the need to slag him off.

Have a delightful Christmas young sir

[K-Hod]

Thought it was time to move on!?

One thing over 3 years is how you judge him, if you forgive the pun. At the time Bowyer said Judge wanted to leave for guaranteed 1st team football, something he couldn't give him. Who would you have dropped? Marshall Or Conway of whom were playing well when Judge arrived. Judge is not a CM and never has been. He plays out wide for Brentford, but at a push could play in the 'hole'. I think yours is the revisionist claptrap to which DGS refers.

Anyway, more on those 'failures'?

Judge isn't a CM though, never has been. I do wish we'd kept him though, he could have played just off Rhodes or in place of Marshall, but hindsight is a wonderful thing and at the time Marshall was playing well and we were going with two CF's.

Edit: Conway might not have been here when we re-signed Judge so it was a stupid decision to sell and Bowyer was rightfully sacked and mine is revisionist claptrap

I've told you about the failures already, it isn't my fault you can't/won't remember what I said.

Judge was ideal for playing 'in the hole'. A position we needed some guile in. It's time to move on, and I'm more than happy to, but some can't/won't :-)

[tomphil]

Thought it was time to move on!?

One thing over 3 years is how you judge him, if you forgive the pun. At the time Bowyer said Judge wanted to leave for guaranteed 1st team football, something he couldn't give him. Who would you have dropped? Marshall Or Conway of whom were playing well when Judge arrived. Judge is not a CM and never has been. He plays out wide for Brentford, but at a push could play in the 'hole'. I think yours is the revisionist claptrap to which DGS refers.

Anyway, more on those 'failures'?

Judge isn't a CM though, never has been. I do wish we'd kept him though, he could have played just off Rhodes or in place of Marshall, but hindsight is a wonderful thing and at the time Marshall was playing well and we were going with two CF's.

Edit: Conway might not have been here when we re-signed Judge so it was a stupid decision to sell and Bowyer was rightfully sacked and mine is revisionist claptrap

We did get Conway though for probably similar amounts to what we got for Judge and he's been as vital for us as Judge has to Brentford. Different player of course but I mean in the way we play, Judge wouldn't have developed into the player he has playing a bit part at Ewood and without Conway Rudy certainly wouldn't have become a 6 mill player.

Even I don't hold the Judge thing against Bowyer it's just one of those things, he wanted wingers and holding mids. Right idea but didn't work out effectively enough in the long run.

[blueboy3333]

We did get Conway though for probably similar amounts to what we got for Judge and he's been as vital for us as Judge has to Brentford. Different player of course but I mean in the way we play, Judge wouldn't have developed into the player he has playing a bit part at Ewood and without Conway Rudy certainly wouldn't have become a 6 mill player.

Even I don't hold the Judge thing against Bowyer it's just one of those things, he wanted wingers and holding mids. Right idea but didn't work out effectively enough in the long run.

Rudy should send half his Prem wages to Conway.

A more mobile and harder-working Rudy is what we desperately need now to complement Rhodes. Hopefully Lambert has someone lined up for Jan.

[ABBEY]

Eh?

It's clear from the scores I quoted that Duffy is Blackburn's no.1 rated player.

Or, are you trying to say that it is your opinion that he is not a highly rated player?

http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/5827/Stages/12497/PlayerStatistics/England-Championship-2015-2016

Duffy ? Ha ok

[oldjamfan1]

Duffy ? Ha ok

Duffy and Hanley are our players of the season so far. A modern day Keeley and Fazackerley (and I'm being serious)

[DE.]

I've been one of Hanley's biggest critics, but I have to say he's been pretty solid this season. Fair play to him. He and Duffy seemed to struggle to communicate last season, but that doesn't seem to be the case so often this season.

Our issues lie, as always, in centre midfield. Akpan does an OK job as defensive cover, but we have absolutely no creativity whatsoever further forward. Zilch. Lambert seems to have noticed that, and I can only assume that's why his tactics basically bypass midfield and go straight into the box or out to the wings. Problem is that makes us very predictable, and judging from our last few results teams are catching on to that.