[Archived] Official: Paul Lambert Appointed Blackburn Rovers Manager

[blueboy3333]

Are you saying Judge would've done a worse job in CM than either of Willowe?

Pretty much, just as Conway and Lawrence would do a far worse job than Willo/Lowe in the middle of the park, and Rhodes would do a lot worse than Henley at right-back. Apples and Oranges.

Willo/Lowe being not that great in CM doesn't equate to Judge, who had never played above Lg1 level and had never played in CM, doing better.

[Amo]

Pretty much, just as Conway and Lawrence would do a far worse job than Willo/Lowe in the middle of the park, and Rhodes would do a lot worse than Henley at right-back. Apples and Oranges.

Haha what? The difference between attacking midfield & central midfield (and Judge has played as a deep-lying playmaker in a 4-5-1) isn't the same as a winger moving inside or a goddamn striker playing at full-back. Apples & oranges indeed.

[blueboy3333]

Haha what? The difference between attacking midfield & central midfield (and Judge has played as a deep-lying playmaker in a 4-5-1) isn't the same as a winger moving inside or a goddamn striker playing at full-back. Apples & oranges indeed.

That's a 4-5-1. At Brentford he had Douglas and Diki-someoneorother doing his tackling, tracking back, whilst he did all his work going forward. Completely different roles. When did he play as a deep lying midfielder and why isn't he doing now? Probably because he isn't suited to protecting the back four which is what he would have had to do in a 4-4-2. You were a big fan of that other waste-of-space Rochina though so i won't expect much sense out of you regarding Judge, goddamn it.

[Amo]

That's a 4-5-1. At Brentford he had Douglas and Diki-someoneorother doing his tackling, tracking back, whilst he did all his work going forward. Completely different roles. When did he play as a deep lying midfielder and why isn't he doing now? Probably because he isn't suited to protecting the back four which is what he would have had to do in a 4-4-2. You were a big fan of that other waste-of-space Rochina though so i won't expect much sense out of you regarding Judge, goddamn it.

Alan Judge actually made more tackles per game than both Lowe & Williamson last season.

I'd rather we had some creativity in the middle than two bollards who can't put a foot on the ball between them.

[old darwen blue]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/14167966.Paul_Lambert__Having_home_fans_at_one_end_will_help_Blackburn_Rovers/?ref=mac

Lambert on 'having all Rovers fans on one end'. I'd agree with him, the atmosphere really isn't helped anymore by having most of the singers on the DE. If they were on the BBE starting chants then more people around them on the BBE would be inclined to join in. Obviously Lambert will have some input on this so maybe the Rovers fans in the DE may be moved back to the BBE next season?

No thanks

[USABlue]

The love in with judge is similar to the King love in, it begins when they have left!

Judge showed us nothing in a Blue and White shirt and I do not remember anybody saying the opposite whilst he was here.

King was injury prone, but, when fit he usually got a cameo substitute appearance on the wing for the last 20 mins.

There was a handful of posters that could see Kings potential as a CF.

The bottom line is that these things happen in football, how would Cardiff fans feel about Rudy and Conway for example?

True, if memory serves most of the comments regarding Judge were derisory in nature either to Judge or to Bowyer for signing him.

[Amo]

True, if memory serves most of the comments regarding Judge were derisory in nature either to Judge or to Bowyer for signing him.

Refresh your memory.

The majority of comments were supportive and open-minded to the signing.

[Doug]

Refresh your memory.

The majority of comments were supportive and open-minded to the signing.

Compare those to the summer 2014 transfers in and out thread after he'd played for us!

[ABBEY]

No thanks

you will do as you are told !

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Alan Judge actually made more tackles per game than both Lowe & Williamson last season.

I'd rather we had some creativity in the middle than two bollards who can't put a foot on the ball between them.

My mum's made more tackles than Lowe this season.

[patrickvalery]

We should have set up a team to incorporate Judge? No Patrick. Set up a team to incorporate Alan Shearer maybe, but not Alan Judge. However - good players get into the team however they're set up.

Now now den. You're putting words in my mouth.

[Stuart]

We should have set up a team to incorporate Judge? No Patrick. Set up a team to incorporate Alan Shearer maybe, but not Alan Judge. However - good players get into the team however they're set up.

Not to dismiss your point entirely but did Shearer ever play in a 4-5-1, and only have the ball fired up to him at his head.

Being a one-off Shearer would still have done a cracking job but would he have been as effective?

I'm not sure if Brentford have built a team around Judge but I'm damned sure that they are playing to his strengths. The fact you are implying Judge isn't all that good a player underlines the point that he is in a team where he is allowed to demonstrate his strengths.

[chaddyrovers]

Judge fit their Brentford 4-3-3 formation and playing style.

Judge plays either in 3 man centre midfield or on the left wing.

[Veevs]

We have all heard this lark a thousand times.. I was a big fan of judge, but like Cairney he did not fit with GBs style of play.. don't think he would fit with PLs neither.. but at least when he played he tried.. so unlike King who would sulk two games in three. We are in the championship, we can't afford the star all rounders so we have to gamble.

[den]

Not to dismiss your point entirely but did Shearer ever play in a 4-5-1, and only have the ball fired up to him at his head.

Being a one-off Shearer would still have done a cracking job but would he have been as effective?

I'm not sure if Brentford have built a team around Judge but I'm damned sure that they are playing to his strengths. The fact you are implying Judge isn't all that good a player underlines the point that he is in a team where he is allowed to demonstrate his strengths.

The title winning team was basically a long ball side Stuart. Shearer and Sutton both thrived on it. They could take the ball whatever height or pace was on it.

[Stuart]

The title winning team was basically a long ball side Stuart. Shearer and Sutton both thrived on it. They could take the ball whatever height or pace was on it.

It's a bit of a moot point comparing any of Rovers current strikers to Shearer and Sutton though, and will only lead to disappointment. Stick somebody of quality (i.e. better than Brown or Varney) up with Rhodes and see what happens. We seemed to do okay when Gestede was working with him. If our game is going to simply be to fire the ball forward 30 feet either side of Rhodes and grumble that he need to "work harder" then, one, that is stupid, and, two, we won't be very successful.

The other difference is that the much revered Gestede stamped his feet so he could leave and the oft maligned Rhodes kept his head down and carried on banging the goals in. For that alone he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Those who think Rhodes doesn't work hard must only start watching him when that folly of a long ball is punted forward nowhere near him and expect him to be like Bellamy. Ironically Bellamy would have complained like hell at the kind of service Rhodes has to contend with and the fans would have agreed with him. Pace covers a lot of ills (especially for a lone striker); Bellamy would never have been a target man, holding the ball up for the midfield from high balls. Similarly Rhodes is not, and never will be a speed merchant but, if you give either of them the right service, they both score goals.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Bellamy would have complained alright but the he'd still be after the next long ball like his life depended on it.

[Stuart]

Bellamy would have complained alright but the he'd still be after the next long ball like his life depended on it.

Not if it was fired out wide of him. He'd have turned around , thrown his arms in the air and given someone a rollicking. He wanted the ball over the top so that he could race onto it, because he knew he had the pace to get there first. So what did Hughes do? He made sure that's how the team tried to supply him.

He got the midfield, and sometimes defence, to work to the strengths of his key goalscorer. Bellamy was the cherry on top of an attacking team. Rhodes has, at times, been made to look like a gooseberry on top of a defensive one, with a great gap where the attacking midfield should be.

It's not rocket science that I'm suggesting, it's simply playing to players' strengths. If we think that our midfielders on the pitch are not able to play to their strengths because of Rhodes then drop him but on the evidence to date it appears to me to be clearly the opposite.

[den]

Bellamy played up front as the lone target man for us many times. He was brilliant at it. It comes down to ability. Yakubu had no pace but got involved in the game brilliantly. He could take a ball at any height it came to him, get his body between ball and defender, hold him off using his strength, and find a teammate. It comes down to the technique of the individual player. It's what centre forwards have to do. There are players in every league who perform that task for their team.

[tomphil]

It does seem that when they have to re-locate the main singing group from the Darwen end go in the JW near the away fans. They don't flock across to the BBE so I think that in itself tells a story so it's not as straightforward as shutting the Darren end to home fans and just expecting it to improve the BBE, it won't. The real problem is Ewood is far too big for us these days and Rovers fans as a whole are just too quiet anyway.

[rigger]

It does seem that when they have to re-locate the main singing group from the Darwen end go in the JW near the away fans. They don't flock across to the BBE so I think that in itself tells a story so it's not as straightforward as shutting the Darren end to home fans and just expecting it to improve the BBE, it won't. The real problem is Ewood is far too big for us these days and Rovers fans as a whole are just too quiet anyway.

Personally I think turning the Blackburn end lower into a standing area, would be an idea to try. I don't know if there are an regulations against this?

[tomphil]

Personally I think turning the Blackburn end lower into a standing area, would be an idea to try. I don't know if there are an regulations against this?

That would be the best way but it's still forbidden in the higher leagues. Not sure why when you look how empty most grounds actually are in the Championship. It would certainly put the soul back into a lot of stadiums.

[Stuart]

Bellamy played up front as the lone target man for us many times. He was brilliant at it. It comes down to ability. Yakubu had no pace but got involved in the game brilliantly. He could take a ball at any height it came to him, get his body between ball and defender, hold him off using his strength, and find a teammate. It comes down to the technique of the individual player. It's what centre forwards have to do. There are players in every league who perform that task for their team.

Again, den, the play was to the forwards strengths. If you think we would be better with a Bellamy or a Yakubu, then you would be right! But they had the qualities to play in the PL, meanwhile we have one of the Championships best proven goalscorers lets 'we with the willy we've got' and aim as high as we can. And get him a partner.

Sadly, like always, we won't appreciate what we had until he is gone and we don't have better players to replace his goals.

[den]

Again, den, the play was to the forwards strengths. If you think we would be better with a Bellamy or a Yakubu, then you would be right! But they had the qualities to play in the PL, meanwhile we have one of the Championships best proven goalscorers lets 'we with the willy we've got' and aim as high as we can. And get him a partner.

Sadly, like always, we won't appreciate what we had until he is gone and we don't have better players to replace his goals.

No Stuart. You don't have to have premier league qualities to be able to contribute more than Rhodes.

[Stuart]

No Stuart. You don't have to have premier league qualities to be able to contribute more than Rhodes.

Yes, den, you do. If you also include 25 goals per season...