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[Archived] Cardiff City (A) Match Thread - 2Nd January 2016

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I agree with most of that but the signings must have an impact now. The long term will have to take care of itself. . We need to be playing in this league next season.

I agree and would expect any signings to have an impact now as well as with a view to the long term. Any player who doesn't have an immediate impact, clearly not the instant he steps on the pitch, should not be signed.

All heartedly agree but correct me if I'm wrong didn't PL alienate the senior players at villa and if Nixon is correct Danny Graham a target as a replacement for Rhodes that doesn't bode well before anyone shoots Nixon down don't forget he's close to PL

I don't know about Villa as I don't follow football that closely these days. Alienating any senior employee is always a potential problem. A new manager going in to any new position, in or out of football, needs to introduce change in an acceptable manner take the staff with him/her. In football I suspect that is always doubly hard as players know they are very likely to be replaced if they don't fit. Which of course why clubs usually see a new manager bounce.

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He was certainly no worse than any of our other midfielders in the last three games. The game was poor ans it would have been difficult for any player to shine. Hopefully he might get a game at Newport. I will be disappointed if some of the poor performances of recent weeks are rewarded with a starting place.

Ive just the highlights of the game on Rovers player(10 mins) plus Lambert's post match interview

Lambert praised Lenihan a lot and I would exactly him to play for us in future games

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Ive just the highlights of the game on Rovers player(10 mins) plus Lambert's post match interview

Lambert praised Lenihan a lot and I would exactly him to play for us in future games

Well nothing against Lenihan but it seems to be a pattern that these blokes jump off the bench for 20 minute cameos and then get praised to the hilt, such that they then start the next game or two only to be found out. If Lenihan was the answer then its taken PL a long time to discover it. Given our midfield problems , he cant have shown up that well in training or he would have been in the side. PL also said Kilgallon had trained well but no sign of him.

The fact is that we are performing poorly in a crap division and unless we do get 3 or 4 loans in sharpish that do become first choice starters, then we could easily be facing an uncomfortable run in.5 games and one own goal to show for it if pretty horrendous by any stretch .If we concede we lose , basically.

I agree with Tyrone, we need to recruit well enough to ensure we are still in this division next year never mind waiting till Summer to do our business.

I was warned about this by a few mates who support the Villa and after 3 games I was rubbing their noses in it-now its big slice of humble pie. But you have to think that the trio of PL/Irvine/Kelly have see enough to know how far off we really are.

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Bowyers managerial stock is rising each week.

That's the best comment I've read on here since we got rid. The only way your managerial stock can rise is to be in work and winning games....

People's previous defence of Bowyer is colouring their judgment, even now, nothing wrong with being defiant but now it's just getting boring.

If his stock is rising in such a way he should have no problem getting another job...

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Do you really think Bowyer would have done better than Lambert over the past eight games with the same squad?

I'll be honest, I'm not confident enough to say he wouldn't.

That being said, I have more faith in Lambert going forward, as I'd lost all faith in a man who had us get comprehensively battered by MK Dons.

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Bowyers managerial stock is rising each week.

The players have done their best in the last three games to make their old mate look good more like. Hardly the same thing.

As others have said, the only true measure of his stock will be how quickly and at how high a level he lands another managerial gig. If he lands one at all, or has to go back to coaching kids etc.

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Lot of double standards here. Maybe caused by people going overboard previously and not wanting to be proven wrong now. Similar thing happened with Appleton if I recall, apparently his resemblance to a villain in Harry Potter was seen by some as a big plus in estimating his managerial ability.

I'm simply pointing out that after a brief hurrah the performance and results graph has taken a steep downward plunge or do some still want to criticise that comment. If any do it's because they haven't watched us live. Can anyone deny that the recent performances have bottom three written all over them? Can anybody tell me why 2 months ago the concensus of opinion was that our performances were all deemed the manager's fault and now they are all deemed the players fault? We obviously have to give PL more time but it seems to me that some have put him onto the protected species list. Why should he be judged any differently to any other appointment that we have made? With just 3 good managers out of twelve attempts in the past 20 years I'd have thought it sensible to proceed with caution with each new appointment. There is an age old truism in football that you are only as good as your last match.

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Because he's only been here 11 matches.

Speaking of double standards, he's not getting cut anywhere near the same amount of slack that Bowyer did who was allowed an indeterminate amount of favour and good fortune during his time in charge.

There are also plenty of double standards in your post that are applicable to Bowyer's rein- performances being the player's fault rather than the manager's, Bowyer was almost definitely on the protected species list. Also the 'not wanting to be proven wrong' comment. That's exactly why so many have been keen to put the boot into Lambert so often, so soon.

Still, those double standards eh?

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Lot of double standards here. Maybe caused by people going overboard previously and not wanting to be proven wrong now. Similar thing happened with Appleton if I recall, apparently his resemblance to a villain in Harry Potter was seen by some as a big plus in estimating his managerial ability.

I'm simply pointing out that after a brief hurrah the performance and results graph has taken a steep downward plunge or do some still want to criticise that comment. If any do it's because they haven't watched us live. Can anyone deny that the recent performances have bottom three written all over them? Can anybody tell me why 2 months ago the concensus of opinion was that our performances were all deemed the manager's fault and now they are all deemed the players fault? We obviously have to give PL more time but it seems to me that some have put him onto the protected species list. Why should he be judged any differently to any other appointment that we have made? With just 3 good managers out of twelve attempts in the past 20 years I'd have thought it sensible to proceed with caution with each new appointment. There is an age old truism in football that you are only as good as your last match.

Hmmm yet another post from Jimmy's account that is from Drog's IP address...

Tread very carefully please.

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Lot of double standards here. Maybe caused by people going overboard previously and not wanting to be proven wrong now. Similar thing happened with Appleton if I recall, apparently his resemblance to a villain in Harry Potter was seen by some as a big plus in estimating his managerial ability.

I'm simply pointing out that after a brief hurrah the performance and results graph has taken a steep downward plunge or do some still want to criticise that comment. If any do it's because they haven't watched us live. Can anyone deny that the recent performances have bottom three written all over them? Can anybody tell me why 2 months ago the concensus of opinion was that our performances were all deemed the manager's fault and now they are all deemed the players fault? We obviously have to give PL more time but it seems to me that some have put him onto the protected species list. Why should he be judged any differently to any other appointment that we have made? With just 3 good managers out of twelve attempts in the past 20 years I'd have thought it sensible to proceed with caution with each new appointment. There is an age old truism in football that you are only as good as your last match.

Many of our successful managers over the years didn't have to contend with only having two opportunities to sign players in a calendar year. Lambert is working with a lot of players he wouldn't have signed and on that basis alone needs to be given two windows. Quite simply the players (and the vast majority are Bowyer signings) are nowhere near good enough.

Performances have been poor (and disappointing) under Lambert but in a 'football managerial off' between the two I know who I would put my mortgage on.

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Can anybody tell me why 2 months ago the concensus of opinion was that our performances were all deemed the manager's fault and now they are all deemed the players fault?

There were plenty of folk saying that the squad was poor- a squad put together by GB by the way. Last season I felt a better manager would have made a decent fist of the top 6, however since losing Gestede, Cairney and King and replacing them with dross, I didn't feel we would get there this year. Bowyer's 3 wins in 17 were taking us to relegation- ergo change needed.

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Lot of double standards here. Maybe caused by people going overboard previously and not wanting to be proven wrong now. Similar thing happened with Appleton if I recall, apparently his resemblance to a villain in Harry Potter was seen by some as a big plus in estimating his managerial ability.

I'm simply pointing out that after a brief hurrah the performance and results graph has taken a steep downward plunge or do some still want to criticise that comment. If any do it's because they haven't watched us live. Can anyone deny that the recent performances have bottom three written all over them? Can anybody tell me why 2 months ago the concensus of opinion was that our performances were all deemed the manager's fault and now they are all deemed the players fault? We obviously have to give PL more time but it seems to me that some have put him onto the protected species list. Why should he be judged any differently to any other appointment that we have made? With just 3 good managers out of twelve attempts in the past 20 years I'd have thought it sensible to proceed with caution with each new appointment. There is an age old truism in football that you are only as good as your last match.

It really depends on whether or not you think the major problem is the holiday camp mentality prevalent under GB. We've seen already that the team can rouse themselves to grind out a result under PL, however, as was generally the case under GB that spurt of effort didn't last long and we've also seen in the last 3 games that they can perform so poorly and with such a lack of enthusiasm that we can lose without creating any chances and that when the opposition score we might as well pack up and go home.

I still think the problem with this squad is one of mentality as much as ability. first and foremost Lambert needs a team that will give their all for 90 mins of every single game. On the basis of the old adage that leopards don't change their spots it may take some time and a significant overhaul of the playing squad before he gets that.

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It's like people have forgotten we got tubbed 3-0 by MK Dons, lost to Fulham, got dumped out of the cup by relegation-threatened L1 Shrewsbury.

Oh, but THAT performance against Burnley. That was one for the scrapbook.

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