[Archived] Qpr

[47er]

I am just saying that i enjoyed some performances under Bowyer, other times we were tripe under him. I can honestly say that i have enjoyed one half against Forrest under Lambert, that's all.

You will soon get people calling for Lambert to go, but with the same as Bowyer, the players are not good enough after the embargo.

It's just worrying how he is getting less out the players.

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The players were more comfortable with Bowyer

[Kamy100]

Generally a poor performance last night.

What concerned me most was that for 60 odd minutes for the most part we continued to hoof the ball forward at every opportunity and it was patently clear that Rhodes and Lawrence are ill equipped to function effectively in that style of play. It was only when Brown came on that we actually managed to put some pressure on the QPR backline and start to get the ball to our wingers higher up the pitch and eventually got the equaliser.

The squad that has been left is not equipped to play the style of football that Lambert wants, he seems to want high energy football with getting the ball forward as quickly as possible. Our central midfielders aren’t good enough in an attacking sense and certainly struggle to play this style which requires one of them to get forward and work back when not in possession. Rhodes cannot play as a traditional targetman, he hasn’t got the physical presence to hold up the ball or the pace to trouble defenders with a ball over the top, his game is all about get the ball into his feet in and around the 18 yard box.

So where do we go from here? First of all Lambert needs to be given this transfer window and also the next one. Venky’s are paying him and his backroom team good money so I am sure that he will be given some funds to bring in his own players during the summer transfer window. For the rest of this season, he needs to firstly get through this window and see who he can get in and then ensure that we do not get sucked into the relegation scrap. I saw some stuff on social media about sacking him, completely disagree with that. While I don’t prescribe to the “this is all Gary Bowyers fault” theory, Lambert knew the squad before he took the job so the buck stops with him, but it is far too early to make any judgments on him.

[47er]

Bowyers vision for the club...

I'm sick to the very back teeth already of this. PL has come in and made performances worse, the buck stops with him. Can we forget GB, because it's painful having to put up with the same people blaming GB for PLs performances, who disagreed when it was pointed out that we'd struggle losing players and replacing on frees, regardless of boss.

I'll stop mentioning Bowyer when its no longer his team we are stuck with.

[Speedie Dived]

The players were more comfortable with Bowyer

That's simply not true.

[Mattyblue]

The standard of football was dire throughout Bowyer's tenure with an odd game thrown in- Leeds away being a rare example of a decent showing this season.

Has Lambert imnproved us? No, not as yet. But for christ sake, lets not pretend the last year of Bowyer was anything but unrelenting @#/?.

My major worry is that we just will not have the funds to build the squad that Lambert wants, if FFP remains or Venky's throw the towel in after one last gamble on Lambert, then I can't see anything but a rapid (further) decline

[K-Hod]

I must admit, i get wound up by the crowd and a few around me. Some people really have no idea about what they are looking at.

The team are not very good but i can see they are trying and that's all you can ask really.

The whole match experience is now of a real concern to me, it's very poor. That lies squarely at the cretins feet.

Absolutely correct.

It's been poor for a long time. It's like when people say 'it's the worst performance I've ever seen', that could be applied to any number of performances in the last 6 years as far as I'm concerned.

We've got the first experienced manager in since Allardyce, and I'm prepared to give him time on that basis really. It might work, it might not, (like with any managerial appointment, but by appointing someone who's been promoted from this league before we give ourselves a better chance) but without a full pre-season and chance to imprint his own stamp on the side it's difficult to read too much into what happens on the pitch at the moment for me.

[PeteJD13]

I must admit, i get wound up by the crowd and a few around me. Some people really have no idea about what they are looking at.

The team are not very good but i can see they are trying and that's all you can ask really.

The whole match experience is now of a real concern to me, it's very poor. That lies squarely at the cretins feet.

I took my wife for the first time last night she wasn't thrilled by the experience, she couldn't believe how quite it was and why aren't the fans getting behind the team and trying to spur the team on.

Some of the FB groups have wound me up, fans wanting PL out already its so fickle, Gaz got endless patience PL gets 9 games yes it hasn't been great recently but I genuinely thought we would go down under GB this season the squads so poor, this will take time to change.

[47er]

That's simply not true.

In your opinion of course. These are views we are discussing not facts and I'll stick with mine.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Most of the players probably know they're on the way out. Unfortunately we've largely signed a group of players who's nature in adversity is to shrug their shoulders and throw the towel in.

Anybody who's played in team football will know that players come with all different sorts of mentalities. Some will run till they drop for the team, that's their nature. Some will only run if the other players are running. Some will only run when it suits them, that's also their nature.

You can only afford a couple of the latter, and they better be good when they finally get the ball.

Every team needs the willing runners. What we've got is an imbalance at Rovers at the moment. Not enough players that are willing runners and too many who just run when it suits them.

The coaching staff will know this but what to do about it in the short term is another story.

Given the mentality of the players we've got most will be resigned to being shown the door instead of fighting to stay at the club. That's their nature.

Where I blame the previous management is that they signed a large majority of players with the wrong mentality.

[ABBEY]

The players were more comfortable with Bowyer

i honestly think they are sulking at having to to train hard and realise that come next season a lot wont be here because they are not good enough.

[Speedie Dived]

In your opinion of course. These are views we are discussing not facts and I'll stick with mine.

Not my opinion, from several people who work down at Brockhall and have worked with both managers.

[oldjamfan1]

Absolutely correct.

It's been poor for a long time. It's like when people say 'it's the worst performance I've ever seen', that could be applied to any number of performances in the last 6 years as far as I'm concerned.

We've got the first experienced manager in since Allardyce, and I'm prepared to give him time on that basis really. It might work, it might not, (like with any managerial appointment, but by appointing someone who's been promoted from this league before we give ourselves a better chance) but without a full pre-season and chance to imprint his own stamp on the side it's difficult to read too much into what happens on the pitch at the moment for me.

Spot on. It took 5 or 6 years to go from where we were to where we are now, and getting back there is not going to happen overnight. It is probably a 2 to 3 year project (depending on funds)

[47er]

Not my opinion, from several people who work down at Brockhall and have worked with both managers.

Well it its not your opinion why did you post it? Whoever said what to you its still an opinion and thats how we come to have discussions and thats what the MB is for.

Spot on. It took 5 or 6 years to go from where we were to where we are now, and getting back there is not going to happen overnight. It is probably a 2 to 3 year project (depending on funds)

My view entirely. Its much easier to wreck than build so, if all went well, we would be safe from relegation this season, challenging for promotion next and possibly getting there the season after.

But Venkys own the Club and I refuse to believe all will go well!

[booth]

The players were more comfortable with Bowyer

I think that says more about some of the players we have than Lambert. It's certainly an explanation about the lack of consistency under Bowyer which at times seemed mystifying. The simple reason was always that the players just didn't and still don't want it enough.

A club rotten to the core won't be an overnight fix sadly.

[philipl]

Well at least we scored...

[Neal]

Most of the players probably know they're on the way out. Unfortunately we've largely signed a group of players who's nature in adversity is to shrug their shoulders and throw the towel in.

Anybody who's played in team football will know that players come with all different sorts of mentalities. Some will run till they drop for the team, that's their nature. Some will only run if the other players are running. Some will only run when it suits them, that's also their nature.

You can only afford a couple of the latter, and they better be good when they finally get the ball.

Every team needs the willing runners. What we've got is an imbalance at Rovers at the moment. Not enough players that are willing runners and too many who just run when it suits them.

The coaching staff will know this but what to do about it in the short term is another story.

Given the mentality of the players we've got most will be resigned to being shown the door instead of fighting to stay at the club. That's their nature.

Where I blame the previous management is that they signed a large majority of players with the wrong mentality.

And that sir is nail and bloody head. I've read pages of "Bowyers this" and "Lambert that" and the fact is we have a proven manager at this level who's figuring out that these players just aren't good enough. I'm man enough to admit that I was wrong about this also, I believed that these were good enough but I think 5 or 6 of them are just good enough to be squad players whilst the others can keep their places. We need 2 centre mids who can battle and play football, we need another pacey winger, we need pace up front, we need a target man with quality and we need a new bloody keeper. I've been saying for months that Steele drives me mad, such a lax bugger with everything he does... We need some proven experience there.

Totally behind PL and will be until he builds a team of his own that brings the same performances but I have complete faith that he will get it right.

[Speedie Dived]

Well it its not your opinion why did you post it? Whoever said what to you its still an opinion and thats how we come to have discussions and thats what the MB is for.

Why did i post some info on what training is like from a couple of first hand sources?

Again, it's not an opinion. The players are monitored every day in training, with many different aspects captured. So you can directly compare different periods of time.

And that sir is nail and bloody head. I've read pages of "Bowyers this" and "Lambert that" and the fact is we have a proven manager at this level who's figuring out that these players just aren't good enough., I believed that these were good enough I'm man enough to admit that I was wrong about this alsobut I think 5 or 6 of them are just good enough to be squad players whilst the others can keep their places. We need 2 centre mids who can battle and play football, we need another pacey winger, we need pace up front, we need a target man with quality and we need a new bloody keeper. I've been saying for months that Steele drives me mad, such a lax bugger with everything he does... We need some proven experience there.

Totally behind PL and will be until he builds a team of his own that brings the same performances but I have complete faith that he will get it right.

Fair play to you for this. This is the crux of the matter, great players will beat good players the majority of the times.

We just need to get some decent players first.

[Tom]

Generally a poor performance last night.

What concerned me most was that for 60 odd minutes for the most part we continued to hoof the ball forward at every opportunity and it was patently clear that Rhodes and Lawrence are ill equipped to function effectively in that style of play. It was only when Brown came on that we actually managed to put some pressure on the QPR backline and start to get the ball to our wingers higher up the pitch and eventually got the equaliser.

The squad that has been left is not equipped to play the style of football that Lambert wants, he seems to want high energy football with getting the ball forward as quickly as possible. Our central midfielders arent good enough in an attacking sense and certainly struggle to play this style which requires one of them to get forward and work back when not in possession. Rhodes cannot play as a traditional targetman, he hasnt got the physical presence to hold up the ball or the pace to trouble defenders with a ball over the top, his game is all about get the ball into his feet in and around the 18 yard box.

So where do we go from here? First of all Lambert needs to be given this transfer window and also the next one. Venkys are paying him and his backroom team good money so I am sure that he will be given some funds to bring in his own players during the summer transfer window. For the rest of this season, he needs to firstly get through this window and see who he can get in and then ensure that we do not get sucked into the relegation scrap. I saw some stuff on social media about sacking him, completely disagree with that. While I dont prescribe to the this is all Gary Bowyers fault theory, Lambert knew the squad before he took the job so the buck stops with him, but it is far too early to make any judgments on him.

This transfer window and the next one? Double it then we'll talk!

Since he has come in he's doubled the distance between us and the relegation zone.

Getting rid of the yellow bellies in the squad will take time.

[adsfortheblues]

Burnley 5-0. Preston winning away. Matt Derbyshire scored for Rotherham..

Yes, that team we lost 3-0 against!

Not sure what Lambert is talking about, "we deserved at least a point"??? We were awful.

[EgyptianPete]

Not my opinion, from several people who work down at Brockhall and have worked with both managers.

You should not come out with those statements unless you are prepared to name and shame, i doubt that you will name your sources, there will be some excuse, but you carry on your crusade to discredit Paul Lambert - it is amusing

[ABBEY]

Yes, that team we lost 3-0 against!

Not sure what Lambert is talking about, "we deserved at least a point"??? We were awful.

Radio rovers said we played ok and showed lots of grit and determination... Crackpots

[Speedie Dived]

You should not come out with those statements unless you are prepared to name and shame, i doubt that you will name your sources, there will be some excuse, but you carry on your crusade to discredit Paul Lambert - it is amusing

I am supporting Paul Lambert.

Ha ha, too right I am not going to name people whose livelihood it is.

Just offering a balanced, factual opinion on the levels of training. You stick with the players are working too hard in training and it's a shock to their systems garbage if you wish.

[G Somerset Rover]

Yes, that team we lost 3-0 against!

Not sure what Lambert is talking about, "we deserved at least a point"??? We were awful.

One thing I've noticed is that he does sugar coat things a heck of a lot, but I guess he's not dissimilar from all other managers. In pretty much every game (bar Bolton) he's talked about us deserving "at least" a point if not all three, and the countless chances that we've created, when until last night, the latter couldn't have been further from the truth.

Hopefully the talking will be done on the pitch soon.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Radio rovers said we played ok and showed lots of grit and determination... Crackpots

I wouldn't say we played ok - but I have seen worse. They did show some determination - but worryingly (as at times under Bowyer) it seemed to be misplaced with players running around like headless chickens at times. TBH that is my biggest concern so far - tactically we don't seem to be moving forward and the gap between midfield and the front two was as wide last night as it was under Bowyer. Having said all that PL deserves some time - there were some small spells of quite good play when we decided to get it on the ground - but overall too much long ball which suited neither Lawrence or Rhodes. In fact it is obvious that unless we change tactics, or start making more clear chances, we may as well sell Rhodes.

[yoda]

i honestly think they are sulking at having to to train hard and realise that come next season a lot wont be here because they are not good enough.

That was certainly the impression I left the ground with last night, to many rubber dinghy men