[Archived] Rhodes To Boro

[BlueMonday]

Boro have definitely got cold feet on this, wether because of the overall cost or a better target has become available.

Didn't want him to go, but can't see a way from him to stay under these circumstances. Hopefully it attracts another bid.

Otherwise, I'd bench Rhodes and give the new line up some game time. Would definitely bring him on as a sub for the Boro game as he will have a point to prove and some fire in his belly.

Overall, awkward!

[Tom]

That statement the club has put out is disgraceful.

Lambert has made it clear Rhodes is not part of his plans and has chucked a number of digs in his comments.

Lets be under no illusion, Under Lambert the football has been dross and if anything has been a number of steps behind what Bowyer produced.

For a number of windows, the message of "we need to rebuild" has been over used. Exactly how many times do we need to rebuild this squad?

The truth is, Rovers for a number of windows have played the numbers game and have brought in a number of players which are poor and straight off the bottom shelf.

In Rhodes they have a player, who im pretty sure without we would of been relegated.

The player wanting to move on is natural, he wants to play at the highest level, at rovers this is never going to happen.

Yesterday we beat a league 2 team 3-0 convincingly, but lets not be under any illusions. Our league form and performances have been attrocious.

The money from Rhodes deal is being muted as a way to rebuild squad? This works if we actually bring in players who will reignite the supporter base

Crowds continue to fall and we are a team who are showing relegation form.

Whether true in the past or not it's absolutely true this squad needs rebuilding and Lambert needed the cash to do so.

Something has gone on and the club are obviously fuming with Rhodes and his agent, maybe they shouldn't be as public as they were though.

Rhodes has looked like he has been sulking a lot this season, he has to now get his finger out and perform for the rest of it (when he gets a chance which shouldn't be straight away needs to earn it) if he wants his move in summer.

[philipl]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11676/10150494/jordan-rhodes-move-to-middlesbrough-from-blackburn-falls-through

Rhodes is pretty clear in that statement to Sky that terms WERE agreed then the deal fell through.

The Middlesbrough local paper has a different take on it: http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jordan-rhodes-boro-pull-out-10814223

[islander200]

Yeah, that's how every transfer in football works. Usually an agreement is come to though, never paid in full.

Why do you think clubs want players to submit transfer requests?

My understanding is that the player forfeits their loyalty bonus if he submits a transfer request.They don't get their contract paid up.

If it as how you say,then a player who say has a four year contract at 2m per year,the selling club would have to play the departing player 8million of the transfer fee.

If a player submits a transfer request and are then sold they forfeit their loyalty bonus

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

That statement the club has put out is disgraceful.

Lambert has made it clear Rhodes is not part of his plans and has chucked a number of digs in his comments.

Lets be under no illusion, Under Lambert the football has been dross and if anything has been a number of steps behind what Bowyer produced.

For a number of windows, the message of "we need to rebuild" has been over used. Exactly how many times do we need to rebuild this squad?

The truth is, Rovers for a number of windows have played the numbers game and have brought in a number of players which are poor and straight off the bottom shelf.

In Rhodes they have a player, who im pretty sure without we would of been relegated.

The player wanting to move on is natural, he wants to play at the highest level, at rovers this is never going to happen.

Yesterday we beat a league 2 team 3-0 convincingly, but lets not be under any illusions. Our league form and performances have been attrocious.

The money from Rhodes deal is being muted as a way to rebuild squad? This works if we actually bring in players who will reignite the supporter base

Crowds continue to fall and we are a team who are showing relegation form.

You seem to know a lot about these things. Can you just remind me who the supporter was who allegedly recommended Rhodes to the club as a potential transfer target ?

[Proudtobeblue&white]

So what is PL's plan? Who on earth, apart from the loans he has got in ( and they are untested despite one FA cup game), is he going to rely on.....had JR gone, we'd have had a bit of money in the bank. He wouldn't have been able to buy anyone of substance by tomorrow.

I'm in the bad timing camp. Keep him until the summer, then sell. Big fan, but if Lambert doesn't see him in the team long term, so be it. Main thing is to stay in this league and see whether the dark lords are going to give PL funds to forge a push for promotion next season?

[Stevo]

That statement the club has put out is disgraceful.

Lambert has made it clear Rhodes is not part of his plans and has chucked a number of digs in his comments.

Lets be under no illusion, Under Lambert the football has been dross and if anything has been a number of steps behind what Bowyer produced.

For a number of windows, the message of "we need to rebuild" has been over used. Exactly how many times do we need to rebuild this squad?

The truth is, Rovers for a number of windows have played the numbers game and have brought in a number of players which are poor and straight off the bottom shelf.

In Rhodes they have a player, who im pretty sure without we would of been relegated.

The player wanting to move on is natural, he wants to play at the highest level, at rovers this is never going to happen.

Yesterday we beat a league 2 team 3-0 convincingly, but lets not be under any illusions. Our league form and performances have been attrocious.

The money from Rhodes deal is being muted as a way to rebuild squad? This works if we actually bring in players who will reignite the supporter base

Crowds continue to fall and we are a team who are showing relegation form.

We do need to rebuild - that isn't an excuse but a fact. It isn't Lambert's fault that it has been peddled about by previous management as an excuse for underachievement but I certainly won't begrudge Lambert for citing it as an issue that needs addressing seeing as this is his first window in charge.

We have been playing dire football there is no doubt about that. However, with a few new signings playing together the manner and style in which we played football without Rhodes yesterday was a marked improvement. Based on that fact I think it would be fair to believe that with more financial resources Lambert could create a more effective team even if it did not include Jordan Rhodes.

I certainly don't feel Lambert should be attacked for thinking what a lot of us have been thinking for a while about how Rhodes, despite his goalscoring prowess, does not allow for the rest of our team to play in a more fluid, energetic and effective way.

[Speedie Dived]

Please quote that regulation.

No I am ok thanks, besides it not a regulation. Can you quote the ludicrous notion that a player loses his signing on fee?

[yoda]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11676/10150494/jordan-rhodes-move-to-middlesbrough-from-blackburn-falls-through

Rhodes is pretty clear in that statement to Sky that terms WERE agreed then the deal fell through.

The Middlesbrough local paper has a different take on it: http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jordan-rhodes-boro-pull-out-10814223

It all points to Gibson bottling it reading that Boro rag

[Stuart]

Doesn't work like that I am afraid. If a player doesn't submit a transfer request then their contract has to be paid up by selling club, usually an agreement is come to.

If they submit a transfer request then they waive this right.

A signing on fee is to do with the buying club.

sounds reasonable and avoids players being forced to move to other clubs without compensation. I guess that technically the buying club end up paying this contract buy out as part of the selling fee.

[beanie]

No I am ok thanks, besides it not a regulation. Can you quote the ludicrous notion that a player loses his signing on fee?

So what your saying is we accepted 9 million pound from Boro but we would have been obligated to pay Rhodes over 7 million of that ?

[Speedie Dived]

Yeah basically the buying club are paying for it, but an agreement is reached on money owed to the player being sold.

Should have said loyalty bonus, If it's not a regulation then what is it?

The law.

[islander200]

sounds reasonable and avoids players being forced to move to other clubs without compensation. I guess that technically the buying club end up paying this contract buy out as part of the selling fee.

it's not reasonable at all.And it is not the case.The player simply forfeits their loyalty bonus.Rhodes is on 2m per year so if we had to pay his contract up we would be left with nothing

[Pedro]

No I am ok thanks, besides it not a regulation. Can you quote the ludicrous notion that a player loses his signing on fee?

There seems to be misunderstanding here, I'm not sure if it's the way you've written it though. A player doesn't get their entire contract paid up when they move. They get a bonus from the departing club if sold, but if they request a transfer they waive that bonus. Koita for instance wouldn't have moved on with the wages of the remaining term of his contract. If this was the case you'd have 90% of players moving as many times as legally possible.

[Speedie Dived]

So what your saying is we accepted 9 million pound from Boro but we would have been obligated to pay Rhodes over 7 million of that ?

We would never accept that. Each case is literally different.

If a player really wants to go then he will wave a lot of it. If a player is being forced out of the door then he will hold the club to ransom.

Adebayoor is a good example, has wanted paying out by Spurs. Doesn't want to reduce his wages, so wants lump sum from Spurs or wages matching on loan. Spurs happy to keep him and get a portion of wages paid on loan as no one will pay a transfer fee.

[AJW]

After the initial disappointment at losing Rhodes I'd actually come around to the idea and quite excited about the new players Lambert could potentially bring in .... now that might not happen I'm a little disappointed

[booth]

I realise now why he's so slow - £45,000 a week is alot to carry around in your wallet.

Breaking news: Sky Sources understand the Rhodes deal collapsed after Boro chairman read BRFCC.com and read some of the mardy comments.

[Speedie Dived]

There seems to be misunderstanding here, I'm not sure if it's the way you've written it though. A player doesn't get their entire contract paid up when they move. They get a bonus from the departing club if sold, but if they request a transfer they waive that bonus. Koita for instance wouldn't have moved on with the wages of the remaining term of his contract. If this was the case you'd have 90% of players moving as many times as legally possible.

It's not just loyalty bonus it's everything. If a player is owed 5 million to end of deal then he would talk a lump sum to leave. It's a legal contract that one party is breaking.

[philipl]

It all points to Gibson bottling it reading that Boro rag

My reading of it too.

If Boro didn't know Rhodes deal at Ewood then they were thoroughly culpable in offering £9m or £11m or whatever without doing their homework.

If they did know what his deal was then it appears they have offered to match it.

Tell me any agent who isn't going to use a transfer to get a better financial deal? It is their job FFS!!!

Jordan is already on a handsome screw for the division so it is likely to have been a creative 10% and a crafty bonus here and there rather than a double the boy's money demand. That is pretty well what the report suggests. So a total cost of contract deal of £30m might have become £31m but you are not telling me Gibson and Boro have never dealt with agents before?

Based on what is in the public domain, Gibson and Boro had second thoughts about the whole thing and have used a small gap in the negotiations with the agent as a pretext to run away.

There is nothing in Lambert's statements to suggest otherwise. Lambert has to justify selling his leading goal scorer and only player anywhere near Premier League quality so of course he is going to be vocal about the reasons why.

[yoda]

Breaking news: Sky Sources understand the Rhodes deal collapsed after Boro chairman read BRFCC.com and read some of the mardy comments.

Good old Jim

[islander200]

We would never accept that. Each case is literally different.

If a player really wants to go then he will wave a lot of it. If a player is being forced out of the door then he will hold the club to ransom.

Adebayoor is a good example, has wanted paying out by Spurs. Doesn't want to reduce his wages, so wants lump sum from Spurs or wages matching on loan. Spurs happy to keep him and get a portion of wages paid on loan as no one will pay a transfer fee.

I think you are wrong.It's a loyalty bonus they forfeit.Adabayoor wasn't sold for a transfer fee so I don't know how he is a good example?

[islander200]

We would never accept that. Each case is literally different.

If a player really wants to go then he will wave a lot of it. If a player is being forced out of the door then he will hold the club to ransom.

Adebayoor is a good example, has wanted paying out by Spurs. Doesn't want to reduce his wages, so wants lump sum from Spurs or wages matching on loan. Spurs happy to keep him and get a portion of wages paid on loan as no one will pay a transfer fee.

I think you are wrong.It's a loyalty bonus they forfeit.Adabayoor wasn't sold for a transfer fee so I don't know how he is a good example?

[yoda]

My reading of it too.

If Boro didn't know Rhodes deal at Ewood then they were thoroughly culpable in offering £9m or £11m or whatever without doing their homework.

If they did know what his deal was then it appears they have offered to match it.

Tell me any agent who isn't going to use a transfer to get a better financial deal? It is their job FFS!!!

Jordan is already on a handsome screw for the division so it is likely to have been a creative 10% and a crafty bonus here and there rather than a double the boy's money demand. That is pretty well what the report suggests. So a total cost of contract deal of £30m might have become £31m but you are not telling me Gibson and Boro have never dealt with agents before?

Based on what is in the public domain, Gibson and Boro had second thoughts about the whole thing and have used a small gap in the negotiations with the agent as a pretext to run away.

There is nothing in Lambert's statements to suggest otherwise. Lambert has to justify selling his leading goal scorer and only player anywhere near Premier League quality so of course he is going to be vocal about the reasons why.

Fully agree with you Philip, it's just business,

Challenge now is for PL to get the best out of JR, who is the victim to a certain extent in this.

Could be a blessing in disguise if it works out

[Speedie Dived]

I think you are wrong.It's a loyalty bonus they forfeit.Adabayoor wasn't sold for a transfer fee so I don't know how he is a good example?

I am not wrong. Quick google of paying up contracts will help you.

Used him as an example as he wouldn't leave without his deal paying up.

[McClarky]

If the total package was as much as £30m for the player I'm not surprised Boro pulled out. Gibson has already presided over 1 financial crisis at the club when they were overpaying massively and he's probably being cautious this time.