[Archived] Rhodes To Boro

[koi]

I've no problem with what PL has said but I do think he will be regretting it now. I think a team bonding day might be on the card, with PL and JR taking turns to carry the other across mined fields whilst looking after a chicken (the irony).

[Mike Graham]

If the total package was as much as £30m for the player I'm not surprised Boro pulled out. Gibson has already presided over 1 financial crisis at the club when they were overpaying massively and he's probably being cautious this time.

I agree but surely someone of his business acumen would have done the sums earlier rather than 24 hours before the transfer deadline.....it does not make sense to me.

[islander200]

I am not wrong. Quick google of paying up contracts will help you.

Used him as an example as he wouldn't leave without his deal paying up.

So Rhodes would have got his 45k a week contract paid up here and then got the same deal at boro?Nonsense

[Jim Royle]

Fully agree with you Philip, it's just business,

Challenge now is for PL to get the best out of JR, who is the victim to a certain extent in this.

Could be a blessing in disguise if it works out

Jordan the victim!

I've heard it all now

Poor lamb.

[Mike Graham]

Please quote that regulation.

It is basic employment law rather than a regulation.

[had.e.nuff]

It all points to Gibson bottling it reading that Boro rag

surely the Rhodes deal would push them over ffp limit and maybe he bottled it thinking what would happen if they did not go up

[Speedie Dived]

So Rhodes would have got his 45k a week contract paid up here and then got the same deal at boro?Nonsense

We would have come to an agreement on it, it's how football works.

[DE.]

surely the Rhodes deal would push them over ffp limit and maybe he bottled it thinking what would happen if they did not go up

Might have wanted to consider that before putting in multiple bids over the last two transfer windows and getting to the point of medicals and personal terms being tentatively agreed? It would be amateur hour in the extreme if this is in any way true.

[BlueMonday]

That statement the club has put out is disgraceful.

Lambert has made it clear Rhodes is not part of his plans and has chucked a number of digs in his comments.

Lets be under no illusion, Under Lambert the football has been dross and if anything has been a number of steps behind what Bowyer produced.

For a number of windows, the message of "we need to rebuild" has been over used. Exactly how many times do we need to rebuild this squad?

The truth is, Rovers for a number of windows have played the numbers game and have brought in a number of players which are poor and straight off the bottom shelf.

In Rhodes they have a player, who im pretty sure without we would of been relegated.

The player wanting to move on is natural, he wants to play at the highest level, at rovers this is never going to happen.

Yesterday we beat a league 2 team 3-0 convincingly, but lets not be under any illusions. Our league form and performances have been attrocious.

The money from Rhodes deal is being muted as a way to rebuild squad? This works if we actually bring in players who will reignite the supporter base

Crowds continue to fall and we are a team who are showing relegation form.

The statement shows some frustration, yes, but its a long way from disgraceful.

All the blame is pointed at Rhodes' Agent and Boro. Not Lamberts fault they can't get their sh!t together.

Its a statement of fact that Rhodes has wanted away, presumedly for footballing reasons, for some time. And when he's on the verge of getting his wish it falls down on additional bonus demands. One word for that, GREED.

Whats out of order is you pointing the finger of blame at a manager who isn't responsible for any of the past goings on and has barely had time to shape a team to his vision.

Good signs that that is starting to happen, so lets back him and the people who are part of the clubs future and appreciatively wave good bye to those who are part of Rovers past.

[1864roverite]

BRFC nor Venkys have nothing to do with the collapse of this deal. It is down to BORO and Gibson alone in their dealings with JR.

I am happy to keep him I am happy with Lamberts comments, nothing hidden and his reasoning is clear for everyone to see. He doesn't say that JR isn't welcome back at Ewood does he ?

What I don't want to see is Rovers buckle and send him on loan to Boro with a rent now buy later deal, We will be the losers in that deal.

If Boro are really intent they would pay out. Remember the fee was agreed in full, not our fault they cant afford him.

[Jim Royle]

....and his agents job to get the best deal for the player

That player wants to join boro, so the agent and player should worked together to ensure that priority 1 was achieved and not put the deal at risk by trying to grab more than the incredible deal he is already on.

[A cup of beans]

That statement the club has put out is disgraceful.

Lambert has made it clear Rhodes is not part of his plans and has chucked a number of digs in his comments.

Lets be under no illusion, Under Lambert the football has been dross and if anything has been a number of steps behind what Bowyer produced.

For a number of windows, the message of "we need to rebuild" has been over used. Exactly how many times do we need to rebuild this squad?

The truth is, Rovers for a number of windows have played the numbers game and have brought in a number of players which are poor and straight off the bottom shelf.

In Rhodes they have a player, who im pretty sure without we would of been relegated.

The player wanting to move on is natural, he wants to play at the highest level, at rovers this is never going to happen.

Yesterday we beat a league 2 team 3-0 convincingly, but lets not be under any illusions. Our league form and performances have been attrocious.

The money from Rhodes deal is being muted as a way to rebuild squad? This works if we actually bring in players who will reignite the supporter base

Crowds continue to fall and we are a team who are showing relegation form.

Back to hit the wasps nest, with a huge stick.

[koi]

If the total package was as much as £30m for the player I'm not surprised Boro pulled out. Gibson has already presided over 1 financial crisis at the club when they were overpaying massively and he's probably being cautious this time.

It's a lot of money for one player who is not proven at the highest level, not even a regular international for a poor footballing nation.

In the gazette article it state Boro have a revenue of £16m, not sure what they actually mean by this? surely that's not their full income? if so that makes ffp an even bigger joke than I though; Downing accounts for something like 16% of that.

[islander200]

But what sort of agreement?he is on 45k a week,3 years left on his deal..we give him just 50% of his contract then we are giving him 3m of the transfer fee?

[Lancaster Rover]

How anyone can claim this is Lambert's fault is beyond me, absolutely ridiculous.

[Hasta]

I am not wrong. Quick google of paying up contracts will help you.

Used him as an example as he wouldn't leave without his deal paying up.

I think you are completely wrong. If you sell a player you don't have to pay his contract up.

[Speedie Dived]

But what sort of agreement?he is on 45k a week,3 years left on his deal..we give him just 50% of his contract then we are giving him 3m of the transfer fee?

Or we might give him 1.5 and ask Boro to pay the rest.

It can be structured many ways. But Rhodes may waive the entire lot if he really wants to move.

Doubt that very much though. Every deal works like this.

Clubs budget for paying off contracts, so doesn't always come out of transfer fee.

[Mike Graham]

How anyone can claim this is Lambert's fault is beyond me, absolutely ridiculous.

Yep, what do people expect PL to have said. PL was spot on with his comments. He is now stuck with a overpaid player who does not want to be with us, and on a salary that has (I am told) caused unrest with his Roves team "mates".

[Speedie Dived]

You are completely wrong. If you sell a player you don't have to pay his contract up.

You really do. It's the law.

[DE.]

Yep, what do people expect PL to have said. PL was spot on with his comments. He is now stuck with a overpaid player who does not want to be with us, and on a salary that has (I am told) caused unrest with his Roves team "mates".

How about just say nothing until the window has closed? Sounds OK to me.

[danger19_80]

The whole £30m thing is a red herring. If he scores the goals to send them up it's irrelevant, they'll be rolling in it anyway.

[Mike Graham]

How about just say nothing until the window has closed? Sounds OK to me.

And then be criticised for saying nothing.

What exactly was wrong with what PL said please chaps?

[islander200]

Or we might give him 1.5 and ask Boro to pay the rest.

It can be structured many ways. But Rhodes may waive the entire lot if he really wants to move.

Doubt that very much though. Every deal works like this.

Clubs budget for paying off contracts, so doesn't always come out of transfer fee.

Players have a loyalty bonus written in to their contract and when they leave without submitting a transfer request they get paid this bonus.

They don't get their contract paid up

[Lancaster Rover]

Player tells employer he wants to leave on the eve of a tough and potentially lucrative game, throwing all preparation into disarray. The timing of the bid is something both the player and Boro will have colluded on. Players agent and buying club make an absolute hash of seemingly very easy negotiations. Move collapses.

And some are claiming this is somehow Lambert's fault. Absolutely mind blowing

[Steve Moss]

But what sort of agreement?he is on 45k a week,3 years left on his deal..we give him just 50% of his contract then we are giving him 3m of the transfer fee?

I think the poster is confusing loyalty bonuses and contracts. From what I can glean, he thinks Rovers somehow owe JR money for breach of contract. That would only be the case if Rovers took unilateral action to breach the agreement. What he's missing is no one forced JR to speak with Middlesborough, there was nothing unilateral in Rovers' actions as we only gave JR permission to speak to the bidder. It would have been a mutual cancellation of the contract, the benefit to JR being a new deal with a new club and the benefit to Rovers being the transfer fee.

Whether JR would forfeit or earn his loyalty bonus is a completely separate issue. When he told PL that he wanted to move was it informal or was it via a transfer request? I haven't a clue and I don't think anyone who knows would have reason to let us into the private contract negotiations.