[Archived] Rhodes To Boro

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Hope this all gets sorted out tomorrow. The more I think about it, the more damage I think Rhodes staying at the club will do. He needs to go and we need the money. From being disappointed about the move on Friday, coming to terms with it yesterday, I really think that we need to move on as a club.

If Rhodes has any serious desire to move then he'll get in touch with his advisor's and tell them to get in line.

Surely he'd rather sacrifice a bonus or two then come back to Rovers with his tail between his legs and possibly spend the next 4 months on the bench? Not to mention facing Lambert after telling him that he wanted out.

[philipl]

Exactly !

are you sure,

do you have a buyer lined ?

Well I can talk to my mate at Floriana in Malta. They can run to 1,000 Euros a week, 1,500 Euros at a push, and probably pay 50,000 Euros transfer fee.

Premier League football too so no need to sweat it out on getting promoted like he would have to at Boro...

[Bluebell]

From what I can recall Rovers wanted to sell Rhodes in the summer, Boro made a few offers until they met the valuation set.

Venkys then pulled the plug on the deal after Boro had met with the value that Rovers had previously stated.

This new deal to buy Rhodes was less than the one in the summer.

An agent will have other players in clubs and you would imagine that its a possibility that clubs will know what it will take to bring a player to a club before any deal is agreed with the selling club.

No player will leave any club for less money than he's currently on.

[Mercer]

Excellent posting from Mani above.

As regards the contractual terms and obligations re the selling club, there is clearly, IMV, a gross misunderstanding of what the selling club needs to do. If some of these 'understandings' were correct, the sale of players to address a financial need (debt service, team rebuild etc) would simply not be worthwhile.

Employment law can be complex and subsequently expensive to address. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. A friend is an employment lawyer who also practices in the sporting area and it's safe to say that I seek his advice on anything other than the most menial employment issue.

[BlueMonday]

To be fair, if the performance on Saturday had been sub standard, it would have put a different slant on the transfer collapse.

[yoda]

Well I can talk to my mate at Floriana in Malta. They can run to 1,000 Euros a week, 1,500 Euros at a push, and probably pay 50,000 Euros transfer fee.

Premier League football too so no need to sweat it out on getting promoted like he would have to at Boro...

Well it is better than the other posters have offered so far, could be a goer

[Baz]

Well I can talk to my mate at Floriana in Malta. They can run to 1,000 Euros a week, 1,500 Euros at a push, and probably pay 50,000 Euros transfer fee.

Premier League football too so no need to sweat it out on getting promoted like he would have to at Boro...

Slightly better weather too.

Then again Middlesbrough has its own magical smoggy microclimate.

[Veevs]

Realistically this is an awful situation for the club. A player who has no interest and who really is hard to fit into any system. Now his value will drop as he wont get as much game time (I think). Bloody disaster we needed the money

Realistically it could be the best of both worlds, this time we let him talk to Gibson and co, he now knows what the other side of the fence is like and won't be as unsettled. He most likely will come back wanting to prove a point or earn a move elsewhere. It is not ideal for PL who wanted to rebuild, but when you have an out and out goal poacher and new players like Watt, Graham and Jackson to play along side him those options can't be to bad.

It can turn out in our favour, no gamble on losing our top scorer, while we may of landed a good partner for Rhodes up front and got him back with a point to prove.

The saddest thing in all of this is that Rhodes has become the bad guy. If it does fall through then we are still paying him £40k per week (or whatever the figure is) until the end of the season - and not getting the best out of him.

Let's hope Rhodes and his agent drop some of their demands. If he wants a promotion attempt this season then he will have to. The thing is, doing so could cost him millions.

He has asked to be allowed to speak to other clubs and been turned down by Rovers up to now.. this time we accepted the offer and off he went, and from what is coming out so far Gibson and co pulled the plug when they saw the total figures they had agreed to. It could be they are just playing hardball with the agent and Rhodes or they worked out they could not actually afford him (which would be daft given the effort they have had to put in).

I don't get how this time we won't be getting the best from him, if anything he will try harder to prove Gibson and co wrong, get another club interested without having any issue with Rovers who gave him permission to talk to Gibson and co. No doubt this will be an eye opener for Rhodes on how much he is worth to others and won't be as unsettled.

PL has made it pretty clear that he likes the player but the fee would of allowed him to rebuild, I don't see how Rhodes can have an issue with that and while PL might not be overly happy he can't do a full rebuild job, but I am sure he won't back away from playing Rhodes.

It is sad that some people have jumped on the greed bandwagon, but truth be told he has made it clear he wanted a move for the last few transfer windows and it has not effected his popularity.

[DaveyB]

This is a strange place at times.

Rhodes has been here for 3 and a half years, scoring over 20 goals a season, and he's the bad guy who we can't wait to get rid of.

Whereas, Lambert has been here 3 months, taken us on a run of 7 league games without a win, playing some of the worst football I've ever had the misfortune to see us play (after spending 3 years doing something similar at Villa too) and he's treated like the messiah.

One win, against a poor league 2 side, has got some of you a little giddy I think. In my opinion we are a stronger team with Rhodes than without and, as such, Lambert's comments today are a little silly.

I don't know about you but ALL of the players he's brought in are better than the ones he's replaced.

Might be the case generally, but from what I've seen of Elliott Bennett, he's just about the worst player to pull on the shirt

[Mullionvagrant]

Feeling cheesed off hearing all this negative Borough/Rovers/Rhodes talk.

Stuart Ripley.

Cheered myself up

[yoda]

Realistically it could be the best of both worlds, this time we let him talk to Gibson and co, he now knows what the other side of the fence is like and won't be as unsettled. He most likely will come back wanting to prove a point or earn a move elsewhere. It is not ideal for PL who wanted to rebuild, but when you have an out and out goal poacher and new players like Watt, Graham and Jackson to play along side him those options can't be to bad.

It can turn out in our favour, no gamble on losing our top scorer, while we may of landed a good partner for Rhodes up front and got him back with a point to prove.

He has asked to be allowed to speak to other clubs and been turned down by Rovers up to now.. this time we accepted the offer and off he went, and from what is coming out so far Gibson and co pulled the plug when they saw the total figures they had agreed to. It could be they are just playing hardball with the agent and Rhodes or they worked out they could not actually afford him (which would be daft given the effort they have had to put in).

I don't get how this time we won't be getting the best from him, if anything he will try harder to prove Gibson and co wrong, get another club interested without having any issue with Rovers who gave him permission to talk to Gibson and co. No doubt this will be an eye opener for Rhodes on how much he is worth to others and won't be as unsettled.

PL has made it pretty clear that he likes the player but the fee would of allowed him to rebuild, I don't see how Rhodes can have an issue with that and while PL might not be overly happy he can't do a full rebuild job, but I am sure he won't back away from playing Rhodes.

It is sad that some people have jumped on the greed bandwagon, but truth be told he has made it clear he wanted a move for the last few transfer windows and it has not effected his popularity.

Great post

[oldjamfan1]

Great post

Apart from the use of 'of' instead of 'have'. Stuart and gumboots will be raging.

[47er]

The issue is not whether we are a stronger team with Rhodes than without him but whether we would be a stronger team with him gone and the manager being able to use the cash to rebuild.

In any case, both sides have burned their bridges, Rhodes clearly wanted to go and Lambert clearly wants him to go.

Hard to see a genuinely good outcome for Rhodes if he stays. Many fans will never accept him now,and maybe the dressing room won't be as settled either.

Wonder if Boro had cold feet at the last and believed they were paying too much? Hope we never do any business with them again.

[BlueMonday]

If they allegedly can't afford the package now, why where they offering £14mill last season.

Gibson is at it.

[Tom]

Jeez the last few pages were a tough read!

Surely if Rhodes really wants this move he goes back tail between his legs and offers to forgoe some of the clauses, £45k a week seems fair game as it is!

[yoda]

Apart from the use of 'of' instead of 'have'. Stuart and gumboots will be raging.

I think you may have me confused with some one who gives a XXXX

[gumboots]

Apart from the use of 'of' instead of 'have'. Stuart and gumboots will be raging.

True but I'm too busy trying to plough through all this stuff to raise more than mild anger atm.

[den]

Lambert maybe should have held his comments back for a time, but this farce is all of Rhodes making. if you're gonna tell your employer who's paying you a fortune that you want to leave, then off you go and negotiate a deal with the club who's doing everything it can to prise you away. Don't believe that there's any way back from that. He's created a situation, the club hasn't.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Lambert maybe should have held his comments back for a time, but this farce is all of Rhodes making. if you're gonna tell your employer who's paying you a fortune that you want to leave, then off you go and negotiate a deal with the club who's doing everything it can to prise you away. Don't believe that there's any way back from that. He's created a situation, the club hasn't.

Maybe Lambert made the mistake of thinking he was dealing with other professional people who knew what they were doing.

[DE.]

True but I'm too busy trying to plough through all this stuff to raise more than mild anger atm.

Ignore the in depth debate about how the transfer system works and the thread is about 5 pages.

[den]

Maybe Lambert made the mistake of thinking he was dealing with other professional people who knew what they were doing.

Yeah, well it's pretty poor form to be asking for a move then changing your mind and expecting that things can continue like nothing's happened. In most companies you would be finished, especially if it had happened twice.

[yoda]

Lambert maybe should have held his comments back for a time, but this farce is all of Rhodes making. if you're gonna tell your employer who's paying you a fortune that you want to leave, then off you go and negotiate a deal with the club who's doing everything it can to prise you away. Don't believe that there's any way back from that. He's created a situation, the club hasn't.

There will be a making up if he stays, no doubt about it

£45k/week and sitting on the bench for the rest of the season, never going to happen.

[den]

There will be a making up if he stays, no doubt about it

£45k/week and sitting on the bench for the rest of the season, never going to happen.

I think you're clutching at straws Yoda.

[Bluebell]

But Venkys wouldn't sell him in the summer even if he wanted to leave then. Why would he now be asking for more than what he wanted in the summer? Boro were prepared to pay it then.

We are only getting one side of the story, did he want to leave in the summer? People within the club wanted to sell him then. Would you want to go if you knew that?

[DE.]

Yeah, well it's pretty poor form to be asking for a move then changing your mind and expecting that things can continue like nothing's happened. In most companies you would be finished, especially if it had happened twice.

Rhodes hasn't changed his mind though, Boro have, which makes it even worse.