[Archived] Rhodes To Boro

[sambo]

That's my thinking too

Using my very limited Football Manager based knowledge, I think that's the case too.

The game is known to be relatively realistic, and I've seen cases when selling a player where it says 'X player will only move to X club is you agree to pay X amount in wages between now and the end of his contract' - essentially this is the selling club paying the difference between the player's current wages and the new, lower wages in the contract offered at the new club.

[Spankus Munky]

I haven't read back through the pages but the way i understand it to be is:

If Rhodes hands in a transfer request, he gets nothing from us.

If the club accept a bid and Rhodes hasn't handed in a transfer request, the club would have to pay Rhodes money if his wages at his new club are lower than what he gets at Rovers but it would be the difference between the 2 over the remaining length of his contract at Rovers.

If he moves and will be earning more money at his new club, Rovers will pay nothing.

That's my understanding anyway.

Depends on the contract but if Rhodes has loyalty based bonuses in his contract (highly likely) if he doesn't hand in a transfer request the selling club usually end up having to pay up the current seasons loyalty money that are owed to the player before he leaves. However if he hands in a transfer request he forgoes the money owed

[davulsukur]

That could very well be the case with those as well. Would make sense.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Think if we are all honest, selling Rhodes has to happen, because the entire or most of the squad needs rebuilding. We probably stand a better chance of going up without him, because it needs a major overhaul. This team needs players all over the pitch who can contribute, and with Rhodes depending just on him is causing issues. If he doesnt score, those behind him are not contributing either.

I agree. It's always been a crazy strategy to me. What if he got a serious injury for example ?

[tomphil]

Tried my best to explain it to you and you are not grasping it/believing it.

Have a look at The Secret Footballer if you don't believe me. Enjoy.

To be fair that secret footballer comes out with a lot of horse manure. Pretty sure it's written by a journo.

[1arC]

Nevermind 8/11 now. Seemingly opening and closing.

The odds on sky bet have been changing almost every 5 minutes. 4/6 currently that he stays at Rovers and 11/10 he moves to Boro.

[Speedie Dived]

To be fair that secret footballer comes out with a lot of horse manure. Pretty sure it's written by a journo.

Think it's Dave Kitson.

[tomphil]

Think it's Dave Kitson.

Even so I can't see him being privy to the fine details of clubs transfer dealings he'll just be feeding off the gossip like the rest of us probably. Not saying it's wrong but all we've seen with this JR thing is blame shifting although it does show what an eye wateringly daft contract they screwed out of Venkys

[LDRover]

Think it's Dave Kitson.

Not written by a footballer then.

[Speedie Dived]

Even so I can't see him being privy to the fine details of clubs transfer dealings he'll just be feeding off the gossip like the rest of us probably. Not saying it's wrong but all we've seen with this JR thing is blame shifting although it does show what an eye wateringly daft contract they screwed out of Venkys

Oh yeah. It's basically just a vehicle for a footballer to say more than they would be able to by putting their name to it.

He had a really interesting view on Beranhio, questioning Pulis' use of the money and who it would go through.

[Spankus Munky]

Hmm Rhodes has left the training ground

Arrived @ 9:15 but has now left according to sky

[J*B]

Hmm Rhodes has left the training ground

Says who?

[Boz]

It will be interesting to see who blinks first.

1. Will rovers accept a lower valuation of Rhodes? We surely need the money.

2. Will Boro accept Rhodes demands? If they wanted to, they would have already done that, unless they were banking on getting someone else today.

3. Will Rhodes now accept a "lesser" contract from Boro? It will mean he will undermine his own abilities.

4. Will another club make a sweep for Rhodes? Will we loan him out by end of day?

Its like a Three way stand off

You could sub divide item one into two further points.

• Will Venkys (Balaji) accept a lower valuation?
• Will Board (Shaw) accept a lower valuation?

If it comes down to losing face and business, I could see V's standing firm until the summer, when FFP becomes less rigid for us.

If it comes down to PL and Shaw wanting this done now, so they can concentrate on football matters appertaining to Rovers, then quite possibly they might acquiesce.

[tomphil]

Hmm Rhodes has left the training ground

Arrived @ 9:15 but has now left according to sky

Has he forgotten GB isn't in charge anymore

[J*B]

Hmm Rhodes has left the training ground

Arrived @ 9:15 but has now left according to sky

Sounds like "go away for the day" from PL.

[AdamRochina]

Or hopefully he is sold

[Glosrover]

If Rhodes hands in a transfer request, he gets nothing from us.

If the club accept a bid and Rhodes hasn't handed in a transfer request, the club would have to pay Rhodes money if his wages at his new club are lower than what he gets at Rovers but it would be the difference between the 2 over the remaining length of his contract at Rovers.

The bit that really grates, while you can accept and see benefit in paying off the Bests, the Murphys, the Etuhus, the Gomes's, and numerous other deadwood, its a choker to have to cough up to pay for a sizeable lump of salary for a player that has and continues to perform to the best of his ability, and that has in theory moved to better himself.

The football contract madness has to end somewhere or the game as we know it will die, yes blame the owners for being daft enough to offer up such lucrative contracts, but looks like a bit of brass neck is in play from the Rhodes negotiating team, maybe they'll blink first, but looks to me like Rovers have the biggest downside, Boro can and probably will have other options, Rovers have I guess either to tell Rhodes to put in a transfer request and in return receive a 'loyalty bonus' in lieu of a proportion of a future wages deficit will be agreed. I do however like the idea of him being transferred and having to come to Brockhall every week for the next 3 years to queue up and collect a wage packet with the deficit in it..................

[tomphil]

You could sub divide item one into two further points.

• Will Venkys (Balaji) accept a lower valuation?
• Will Board (Shaw) accept a lower valuation?

If it comes down to losing face and business, I could see V's standing firm until the summer, when FFP becomes less rigid for us.

If it comes down to PL and Shaw wanting this done now, so they can concentrate on football matters appertaining to Rovers, then quite possibly they might acquiesce.

I love Rhodes but he and his mob should sort this and they should take the hit. Any movement from Rovers on this just plays into that shyster Gibsons hands, it's probably what he's after.

I can see him going there on loan now seeing as we've allocated the saving on his wages to loan signings ourselves. Then it'll get messy again in summer.

[RevidgeBlue]

Oh yeah. It's basically just a vehicle for a footballer to say more than they would be able to by putting their name to it.

He had a really interesting view on Beranhio, questioning Pulis' use of the money and who it would go through.

There is absolutely no way in a situation where the player has expressed a desire to leave, the selling club has to pay up the remainder of his contract, whether he has put in a formal transfer request or not. The parties involved would terminate any contractual obligations by mutual consent, otherwise no deals would ever go through, it wouldn't be worth it for the selling club.

[davulsukur]

Hmm Rhodes has left the training ground

Arrived @ 9:15 but has now left according to sky

Interesting, wonder if it's a go away from Lambert or his agent bundling him into a car to charge off back to Boro

[oldjamfan1]

Has he forgotten GB isn't in charge anymore

Superb lol

[Glosrover]

There is absolutely no way in a situation where the player has expressed a desire to leave, the selling club has to pay up the remainder of his contract, whether he has put in a formal transfer request or not. The parties involved would terminate any contractual obligations by mutual consent, otherwise no deals would ever go through, it wouldn't be worth it for the selling club.

there's the rub - expressing as a transfer request forgoes the payment, so its effectively a notice of resignation, selling a player to just get his wages off the books ( say £40 per week over 3 years ) shouldn't prejudice the players contractual rights if he hasn't asked to leave, if someone is willing to buy the players registration, but wont match the contractual terms, then its down to horse trading. In Rhodes' agents case, would you terminate your clients contract by mutual consent as your opening negotiation stance?

[chaddyrovers]

From Sun football online

Jordan Rhodes's move to Middlesbrough isn't completely dead just yet https://t.co/5UHjN4C2l3https://t.co/9061wCqA9Q

From BBC Reporter Steve Crossman

I understand the Jordan Rhodes deal could yet happen. Latest is that communication between parties has resumed, so it's not totally dead.

[Jimmy612]

Interesting, wonder if it's a go away from Lambert or his agent bundling him into a car to charge off back to Boro

That would be a daft trick. He's still bloody handy if he does end up staying.

[Veevs]

These comments....its Obvious PL is not happy with Rhodes

Manager Paul Lambert said: “After a fee was agreed between the two clubs, Jordan asked to go and speak to Middlesbrough.

“This is the third window now where he has wanted to go and we felt it was right to give him that opportunity.

“After securing a good deal for the club, which would have enabled me to rebuild the squad, we allowed him to leave the team hotel on Friday night, but it appears that he could not agree personal terms with Middlesbrough.

“We had a terrific victory yesterday over Oxford United in the FA Cup, with some great performances by the players who came in, and we’ll continue to try and do that.”

Read more at http://www.rovers.co.uk/news/article/blackburn-rovers-jordan-rhodes-middlesbrough-2930096.aspx#UxZFvL5JPvZBMwdU.99

It was reported on here that Lambert said we should have sold him 2 years ago. Then today on the website he said that Rhodes has wanted to leave for the last 3 windows as well as implying he's not especially welcome back because he'd rather have the dosh.

Twisting it a bit you two, you conveniently missed the parts where he said Rhodes was great, but he needs to rebuild the squad. Saying we should of sold a 9m rated striker because we need the whole squad improving isn't having a go at the striker at all, it is a simple statement of fact. Rhodes himself made it clear during the summer he wanted to talk to suitors so again just a matter of fact statement. I don't see how anyone can take offense from that.

As for Rhodes, well both him and PL have stated he wanted to talk to other clubs, he has done so and found that actually they can't afford him, maybe that will settle him down a bit and anyway we have been through this for years now, every time Rhodes has kept scoring.

In an ideal world he would of been sold and we might of landed 2-3 good players at this level.. that is not the case but Rhodes has now checked out the other side of the fence and we managed to get a few players in who may actually turn out to be good for Rhodes.