[Archived] Rhodes To Boro

[roverandout]

Boro are a yeuch club, no history, overrated fan base, their fans seem arrogant.

[the original david brent]

Has Rhodes given an interview or released a statement thanking Rovers, particularly the fans? I haven't seen anything to this effect. Poor if he hasn't.

[Pedro]

When is the riot now that he's been sold?

Or is it just going to be two unhappy fat lads with a message on a bedsheet?

[G Somerset Rover]

Has Rhodes given an interview or released a statement thanking Rovers, particularly the fans? I haven't seen anything to this effect. Poor if he hasn't.

Given our parting message on the official site I'd say he's done very well in speaking so highly of the club in his interviews to date with Boro.

[gumboots]

Can I just say that my very nice family are Boro fans. Every club has some great fans, lots of normal ones and a handful of objectionable oiks. The only trouble I've ever had anywhere was when I was as a kid roughed up by some Leicester fans. Coloured my view of the club for years but then the only Leicester fans I actually know are among the nicest people you could wish to meet.

[tomphil]

Boro were a well know very rough lot back in the day and it wasn't just one or two. Well known on the England scene and probably one of the main mobs up there with Millwall & West Ham according to what you read.

That seems to have long since died out though so no one should have any probs up there unless they want it. Have to say that they have turned into a bunch of big time orks over the past few seasons. You'd think they had the support of Sunderland and Newcastle all of a sudden

[BlueMonday]

Boro were a well know very rough lot back in the day and it wasn't just one or two. Well known on the England scene and probably one of the main mobs up there with Millwall & West Ham according to what you read.

That seems to have long since died out though so no one should have any probs up there unless they want it. Have to say that they have turned into a bunch of big time orks over the past few seasons. You'd think they had the support of Sunderland and Newcastle all of a sudden

They've mellowed since moving to the Riverside. Ayresome Park was an awful place to go to.

[tomphil]

They've mellowed since moving to the Riverside. Ayresome Park was an awful place to go to.

Certainly was at times, a lad I know went to Uni up there in the early 90's and lived near Ayresome. He said it was a Sat afternoon tradition for the locals to go looking for away fans at 445pm when they were at home, whether they'd been to the match or not

[gumboots]

Depends who you were. I used to love going to Ayresome back in the late 60s early 70s. It was my home ground and the Holgate end was the place to be. However, Middlesbrough and the surrounding area changed totally after 1972 and I wouldn't ever have gone back there to live. Early steel closures and the total disappearance of shipyards etc meant that over 1/3 of a working population used to low cost housing, full employment and high disposable income were suddenly on the dole and the area has never recovered. It's a very depressing place nowadays. I only go back to visit family and since my dad died rarely even for that

[47er]

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[jim mk2]

I was working in the Darlington/Teesside area in 1980-81 when the steel closures were starting to hit. If you like heavy industry I found the whole area awe-inspiring - the train ride from Middlesbrough out to Saltburn past the vast furnaces at South Bank and Billingham with ICI factories as far as the eye could see. I'd love to have seen the area in its 1950s heyday before the wicked witch got to work. Places like Middlesbrough and other northern towns have been abandoned by the government - if they were in the south in they wouldn't be allowed to exist..

[bluebruce]

Karanka: "I’ve got the best squad, for sure, it’s not the cheapest one – other teams have spent more money than us – but the aim is promotion."

I'm curious what other teams have spent more money than them.

[Dean]

Karanka: "I’ve got the best squad, for sure, it’s not the cheapest one – other teams have spent more money than us – but the aim is promotion."

I'm curious what other teams have spent more money than them.

Maybe Hull and QPR, but that money was spent in the Premier League. Only club that has spent anywhere near as much at this level is Derby (think I heard that Clement has spent over £25 million there).

[J*B]

Derby?

[K-Hod]

Karanka: "I’ve got the best squad, for sure, it’s not the cheapest one – other teams have spent more money than us – but the aim is promotion."

I'm curious what other teams have spent more money than them.

Derby County! Karanka is just trying to justify his bad recent run, ignoring the fact that Stewart Downing is on £60k p/w and they are complying with FFP despite having similar gates to us. LOL. It absolutely amazes me how managers come out with such rubbish and never get challenged! I thought it was just Kean, but it turns out it's across the board.

[JHRover]

Burnley. By my reckoning the top 3 spenders since the summer have been Derby, Burnley and then Middlesbrough.

I frequently hear the argument that Burnley have recouped most of their outlay through selling players, but on that basis we should be looking forward to a £20 million warchest come the summer, whilst Ipswich would have spent £10 million last summer after selling Mings. However not all clubs/managers have been able to do that, whereas Dyche and Burnley have.

For some reason Dyche has successfully managed to paint Burnley as a small club doing ever so well against better financed rivals, whereas I look at them spending the best part of £20 million on Gray, Hennings, Tarkowski, Lowton, Darikwa, Long, Vossen and co as meaning that the very least they should be achieving is a top 6 finish.

[yoda]

Burnley. By my reckoning the top 3 spenders since the summer have been Derby, Burnley and then Middlesbrough.

I frequently hear the argument that Burnley have recouped most of their outlay through selling players, but on that basis we should be looking forward to a £20 million warchest come the summer, whilst Ipswich would have spent £10 million last summer after selling Mings. However not all clubs/managers have been able to do that, whereas Dyche and Burnley have.

For some reason Dyche has successfully managed to paint Burnley as a small club doing ever so well against better financed rivals, whereas I look at them spending the best part of £20 million on Gray, Hennings, Tarkowski, Lowton, Darikwa, Long, Vossen and co as meaning that the very least they should be achieving is a top 6 finish.

Like it or not Dyche is a good manager fert tree dwellers

[JHRover]

Like it or not Dyche is a good manager fert tree dwellers

Maybe, but circumstances this time round very different to 2 years ago. I accept he worked miracles to get them promoted, but this time round with the squad he's got and money he's spent he should be challenging at the top. Clement's getting all sorts of stick at Derby because they're not running away with the league after spending a fortune, but when you look at money paid out since the summer Burnley aren't far behind them, yet Dyche is still getting hailed as a genius when they're next to Derby in the table. If Burnley go up this season fair do's, he's done well, but miss out and I can't see that being anything other than a failure when he's got players like Gray and Barton on good money. Certainly when you compare to Hughton at Brighton and McCarthy at Ipswich who've had nowhere near Dyche's resources.

[Dean]

For some reason Dyche has successfully managed to paint Burnley as a small club doing ever so well against better financed rivals, whereas I look at them spending the best part of £20 million on Gray, Hennings, Tarkowski, Lowton, Darikwa, Long, Vossen and co as meaning that the very least they should be achieving is a top 6 finish.

Burnley haven't spent anywhere near as much has Derby, and everything that they have spent has come from player sales/getting in the PL to begin with.

Transfermarkt.de has them down as spending net £10 million this summer, but they'll be due at least £6 million for Danny Ings when that gets sorted out. Boro have spent more than that on Downing/Rhodes alone.

[JHRover]

Burnley haven't spent anywhere near as much has Derby, and everything that they have spent has come from player sales/getting in the PL to begin with.

Transfermarkt.de has them down as spending net £10 million this summer, but they'll be due at least £6 million for Danny Ings when that gets sorted out. Boro have spent more than that on Downing/Rhodes alone.

If you look on Transfermarkt Burnley have so far generated around £9 million in sales, with the Ings money still to come, whilst paying out almost £20 million in fees. That doesn't include the presumably significant wages that Barton and Gray are earning.

I hadn't realised that Middlesbrough had paid a fee for Downing, I thought his West Ham contract had expired, but according to Transfermarkt they paid £6 million for him. Even with that it still leaves Burnley in the top 3 spending clubs alongside Boro and Derby. Nobody else has got remotely near that level. I'm not aware of any major multi-million signings made by Hull or Brighton that can rival Middlesbrough's Rhodes/Downing signings, or Burnley's Gray signing, or Derby's numerous quality signings.

I understand the argument that a large chunk of their spending has been facilitated through selling players and they might not have spent so much had they not been forced to lose Ings and Trippier, but in the end they have still had the luxury of being able to spend the money. Whether that's through good management or due to parachute money is irrelevant. It's ultimately a luxury that we haven't had bestowed upon Gary Bowyer or Paul Lambert, a luxury McCarthy hasn't had despite selling Mings to Bournemouth, a luxury that 20+ of Championship managers haven't had. Therefore due to that ability to pay money the expectation is that Dyche will deliver a team that can compete at the top in exchange for that.

Fair do's. At present they are competing for promotion and if they succeed I'm sure it will have been a worthwhile spend, but surely if they miss out having added £15-20 million of talent it has to be considered a failure?

The simple fact is that for whatever reason Dyche has been able to pay fees that most Championship clubs could only dream of. What would a Mick McCarthy or Gary Rowett give to be able to go out and sign an Andre Gray or James Tarkowski for millions of pounds from Brentford?

If the suggestion is that Burnley have brought in X amount of money so it doesn't count if they then spend X amount on new players, then presumably on that basis Lambert can rightfully expect £20 million with no major pressure to achieve promotion?

I think Dyche has the media wrapped round his finger with this 'little poor Burnley doing really well against the odds' line that he's ran now since 2012. It applied when he first took over, but surely it can't apply now they've spent 6-12 months spending millions plucking good players from Championship rivals?

[JHRover]

Interesting comments from Rhodes ahead of the game against us tomorrow:

"I think everyone associated with Blackburn can see its a new era there. It's something new that's going on for the club and they're going in a different direction to one that Gary Bowyer was in"

[frosty]

Interesting comments from Rhodes ahead of the game against us tomorrow:

"I think everyone associated with Blackburn can see its a new era there. It's something new that's going on for the club and they're going in a different direction to one that Gary Bowyer was in"

Thought that was really interesting myself too, he didn't hold back there really!

[Pedro]

Interesting comments from Rhodes ahead of the game against us tomorrow:

"I think everyone associated with Blackburn can see its a new era there. It's something new that's going on for the club and they're going in a different direction to one that Gary Bowyer was in"

That's a good thing...right?

[yoda]

Interesting comments from Rhodes ahead of the game against us tomorrow:

"I think everyone associated with Blackburn can see its a new era there. It's something new that's going on for the club and they're going in a different direction to one that Gary Bowyer was in"

A positive direction I would say

Thought that was really interesting myself too, he didn't hold back there really!

Really, what is he saying, he does not want to be part of the new positive out look and work hard

[RoverCanada]

Got curious. Championship clubs by their 2015/16 net transfer spend, according to their season wiki pages and a bit of googling. Obviously not exact, but probably gets the gist of it. Spoiler: we stand out:

Derby: -£25.3M

Middlesbrough: -£22.1M

Sheffield W: -£11.9M

Burnley: -£9.1M

Brighton: -£7.9M

QPR: -$5.8M

Leeds: -£2.7M

Bristol City: -£1.6M

Preston NE: -£0.9M

Rotheram: -£0.1M

MK Dons: £0M

Bolton: £1.5M

Birmingham: £2.1M

Charlton: £2.6M

Wolves: £3.9M

Fulham: £4.4M

Reading: £4.4M

Cardiff: £6.3M

Nottingham: £7.2M

Huddersfield: £7.4M

Ipswich: £7.6M

Brentford: £10.7M

Hull: £16.6M

Blackburn: £22.3M

edit: miswrote Middlesbrough's figure...