[Archived] Shaw Leaves!

[47er]

32 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You're being argumentative for the sake of it. It seems to be widely accepted that our budget for next year will be relatively minimal so any unnecessary or avoidable expense is unhelpful.

Still. If you'd rather restock Derek's wine Cellar than us buy a player, have a vital piece of equipment or a couple of extra members of staff then I'm glad Team Shaw" is happy.

"Team Shaw"!!!!! Doesn't matter what I'd rather, it's another Venky cock-up and there will be plenty more to come.

You will be helping fund Shaw's retirement reward for incompetance-----I won't.

I wouldn't have appointed him either.

Blame for all this doesn't lie with me or any other supporter, but at least I don't keep funding them.

[Bigdoggsteel]

18 hours ago, Gav said:

You've only been on here for a few weeks so I'm not sure you're qualified enough to be making such sweeping statements.

This site has always been the best Rovers messageboard on the net and is probably why you've found your way here, and is in no way negative and full of conspiracy on every thread, you want to try taking time to read the threads instead trying to break the posting record with respect. Some really good debate to be had and not all "Continued negativity and conspiracy "

But i will concede that it may well seem like we're a bunch of moaning swines until you scratch the surface, and who can blame us really with a football club thats been destroyed, robbed and plundered by that fat spiv and his mates, a town thats had its heart ripped out and a fractured an base brought to its knees by 3 thick rats from under a rock somewhere in Pune.

I'm all for being positive about the future, but like the vast majority of Rovers supporters we're struggling with that one, because how bright can the future be under Venkys? quite simply we have no future under Venkys which ever way you slice it, in my opinion of course.

 

I agree, but repeating same stuff over and over again isn't going to change that. There is a future, currently future 1 is relegation to league 1 and future 2 is staying in the Championship. Two very different futures. 

To be honest , the only was I see us being sold is if we win promotion and stock is high. Grim thought, I know. 

The way this league is structured, a run of form can get you into the play-offs. If the league started 6 games ago, we would be 1st or 2nd. I am more optimistic under Mowbray that I have been since we got relegated to the Championship. Obviously recent results help that and football can change quickly. On here sometimes, a comment like I just made will have a number of posters jumping in saying "ooh alright Paul" "don't be so stupid newbie, do you know what happened here over the last 6 years WUM" I just don't understand what purpose those kind of posts serve. In some cases you have to stop looking back and look forward. I respect all the work fans groups are doing to highlight Venkys inept ownership of the club. Repeatedly moaning about stuff we have all heard inside out over and over again, gets a bit boring in my opinion. Venkys should be held accountable, but I think the best thing the fans can do to achieve this is stick together. The truth will out. 

 

[Norbert Rassragr]

I must state again, that there has been indications of further reductions in the wage bill by Cheston, and the D of F has the hallmarks of another chancer, so I am not confident the squad will improve for next season. It is all very well saying Mogga is a good manager and we must look forward and not backwards but the debts are still mounting up, there is no clear board structure and no-one really knows who Pasha is or what his role is. That is not a recipe for success regardless of who the head coach/manager is. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Norbert Rassragr said:

I must state again, that there has been indications of further reductions in the wage bill by Cheston, and the D of F has the hallmarks of another chancer, so I am not confident the squad will improve for next season. It is all very well saying Mogga is a good manager and we must look forward and not backwards but the debts are still mounting up, there is no clear board structure and no-one really knows who Pasha is or what his role is. That is not a recipe for success regardless of who the head coach/manager is. 

What are you basing this on though?? Honestly. 

[donnermeat]

11 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I agree, but repeating same stuff over and over again isn't going to change that. There is a future, currently future 1 is relegation to league 1 and future 2 is staying in the Championship. Two very different futures. 

To be honest , the only was I see us being sold is if we win promotion and stock is high. Grim thought, I know. 

The way this league is structured, a run of form can get you into the play-offs. If the league started 6 games ago, we would be 1st or 2nd. I am more optimistic under Mowbray that I have been since we got relegated to the Championship. Obviously recent results help that and football can change quickly. On here sometimes, a comment like I just made will have a number of posters jumping in saying "ooh alright Paul" "don't be so stupid newbie, do you know what happened here over the last 6 years WUM" I just don't understand what purpose those kind of posts serve. In some cases you have to stop looking back and look forward. I respect all the work fans groups are doing to highlight Venkys inept ownership of the club. Repeatedly moaning about stuff we have all heard inside out over and over again, gets a bit boring in my opinion. Venkys should be held accountable, but I think the best thing the fans can do to achieve this is stick together. The truth will out. 

 

I don't see those two futures being very different at all with all the shysters that have a hand in running the club. Both at the forefront and in the shadows.

[JHRover]

11 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

What are you basing this on though?? Honestly. 

His interview after the January transfer window told me all I needed to know. Claiming that cash was available for players but that no players were available when we're 2nd bottom of the league is taking the mick.

Of course it might have been that he wasn't prepared to allow Coyle to sign anyone, but then if that was the case why didn't he sack Coyle in January?

If we go down, which is still touch and go, Senior will be partly to blame. He's said that January transfers were his department and he decided to leave Coyle in place until late February. Now Mowbray has little room for error. If Senior couldn't get permission to sack Coyle sooner then he's not a proper Director of Football.

[DE.]

Just now, donnermeat said:

I don't see those two futures being very different at all with all the shysters that have a hand in running the club. Both at the forefront and in the shadows.

Absolutely. Not to be rude, but a comment like that suggests Mr Dogg doesn't really see the bigger picture - or is willfully ignorant of it.

[Bigdoggsteel]

11 minutes ago, donnermeat said:

I don't see those two futures being very different at all with all the shysters that have a hand in running the club. Both at the forefront and in the shadows.

 

Just now, DE. said:

Absolutely. Not to be rude, but a comment like that suggests Mr Dogg doesn't really see the bigger picture - or is willfully ignorant of it.

So there is no difference between being in the Championship or League 1? Give your heads a wobble lads 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, JHRover said:

His interview after the January transfer window told me all I needed to know. Claiming that cash was available for players but that no players were available when we're 2nd bottom of the league is taking the mick.

Of course it might have been that he wasn't prepared to allow Coyle to sign anyone, but then if that was the case why didn't he sack Coyle in January?

If we go down, which is still touch and go, Senior will be partly to blame. He's said that January transfers were his department and he decided to leave Coyle in place until late February. Now Mowbray has little room for error. If Senior couldn't get permission to sack Coyle sooner then he's not a proper Director of Football.

He was literally just in the door and I can completely understand him not letting Coyle sign players. The current squad is a lot better than where we were/are, Mowbray has shown that with the performances he has gotten out of them. 

I will reserve judgement until after the summer. 

[AllRoverAsia]

5 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

He was literally just in the door and I can completely understand him not letting Coyle sign players. The current squad is a lot better than where we were/are, Mowbray has shown that with the performances he has gotten out of them. 

I will reserve judgement until after the summer. 

I suspect that Senior must have had a plan when he arrived at Ewood that included sacking Coyle. So why keep Coyle on? So it is then easier to cover the lack of transfer activity. 

I am also waiting on the summer window to see how our "Director of Football and Operations" performs. That's his job title on the Rovers whos who.

[Bigdoggsteel]

In fairness he sacked him pretty quickly. 

He did sign Joao. This was been used as a stick to beat senior with initially,although people have stopped with this line. If he hadn't have scored a few goals I would imagine people would still be pointing out he was "seniors signing". So credit where credit is due. Two signings in mowbray and Joao,so far so good. 

[AllRoverAsia]

Can't disagree with any of that

[DE.]

40 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

 

So there is no difference between being in the Championship or League 1? Give your heads a wobble lads 

There are minor differences. Do you think the club would have been run significantly differently if we were in League 1 now instead of the Championship? Or would it be the same cost slashing measures, just in a different league?

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, DE. said:

There are minor differences. Do you think the club would have been run significantly differently if we were in League 1 now instead of the Championship? Or would it be the same cost slashing measures, just in a different league?

I am not going to explain why being in league 1 is worse for the club than being in the Championship. 

[DE.]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

I am not going to explain why being in league 1 is worse for the club than being in the Championship. 

Can you explain how Venky's would run the club differently? 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, DE. said:

Can you explain how Venky's would run the club differently? 

Probably the same. Although those running the club on the ground here would have to do it on an even lower budget. Plus we would attract a lower standard of player. That's just 2 examples. 

You said there is no difference between being in the championship and League 1. Which is silly.

I will leave it at that. 

[DE.]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Probably the same. Although those running the club on the ground here would have to do it on an even lower budget. Plus we would attract a lower standard of player. That's just 2 examples. 

You said there is no difference between being in the championship and League 1. Which is silly.

I will leave it at that. 

Actually, it was you who put those words into my mouth. All I said was that you were either unable or unwilling to see the bigger picture and agreed with donnermeat that ultimately our future would not be hugely affected either way.

I suggest you do leave it at that, though. 

[Gav]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

In fairness he sacked him pretty quickly. 

He did sign Joao. This was been used as a stick to beat senior with initially,although people have stopped with this line. If he hadn't have scored a few goals I would imagine people would still be pointing out he was "seniors signing". So credit where credit is due. Two signings in mowbray and Joao,so far so good. 

Nobody has stopped with any line.

Senior signing players behind the managers back isn't a good thing and usually ends up one way, badly.

You really do need to look at the bigger picture bigdog.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Yes they have stopped with that line. I saw numerous people reference Joao as a black mark against senior. I notice that has stopped though. If senior had have let coyle sign crap you would all be slating him. He really is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. 

I understand that. The last few years have been terrible. But you need to be able to recognise positives when they start to appear. That includes correct decision being made. Decisions like appointing Mowbray

 

[K-Hod]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Yes they have stopped with that line. I saw numerous people reference Joao as a black mark against senior. I notice that has stopped though. If senior had have let coyle sign crap you would all be slating him. He really is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. 

I understand that. The last few years have been terrible. But you need to be able to recognise positives when they start to appear. That includes correct decision being made. Decisions like appointing Mowbray

 

The only positive will be Venky's ultimately leaving the club.

Until then, anything is just papering over the cracks.

[AllRoverAsia]

It is however fair to critisize and question why it took time to sack Coyle.

Senior would not have been appointed in a day. The Vs do not do 'quick'. 

It suited a 'no spend' approach in the window to delay Coyle's sacking.

Therefore a pre-planned strategy that was gambling with Rovers league status.

[Athlete]

28 minutes ago, Gav said:

Nobody has stopped with any line.

Senior singing players behind the managers back isn't a good thing and usually ends up one way, badly.

You really do need to look at the bigger picture bigdog.

You're wasting your time with BDS.. 

[donnermeat]

32 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Probably the same. Although those running the club on the ground here would have to do it on an even lower budget. Plus we would attract a lower standard of player. That's just 2 examples. 

You said there is no difference between being in the championship and League 1. Which is silly.

I will leave it at that. 

Neither of us said that. You said very different futures, we disagreed. Being in a different league is different of course, but that's so basic it doesn't really need pointing out, or stripping back any point you're making to that premise. 

Us in the Championship, us in League One, I can't see our future being very different at all under this lot. It will be the same revolving door of the (not so) talking heads (Senior et al) and the same methods and standard of operation on an even smaller scale, not very different at all as far as I'm concerned. 

That's how I view our futures being similar. Now what, besides from being in a different league, is your vision of us having "two very different futures"?

[tomphil]

3 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

It is however fair to critisize and question why it took time to sack Coyle.

Senior would not have been appointed in a day. The Vs do not do 'quick'. 

It suited a 'no spend' approach in the window to delay Coyle's sacking.

Therefore a pre-planned strategy that was gambling with Rovers league status.

Yep they had the embargo then the Rhodes out at the last min fiasco so can't spend, next we had no gaffer all summer then they use him to scrape to the end of the window whilst the UTD game causes a nice distraction. Helped of course by the names Coyle was after like Barnes etc meaning a lot of fans didn't want his players.

Every window there is something conveniently gets in the way and it'll be interesting to see what it is this summer.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

23 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I agree, but repeating same stuff over and over again isn't going to change that. There is a future, currently future 1 is relegation to league 1 and future 2 is staying in the Championship. Two very different futures.

Both futures will involve the continuing ineptness of the dreaded Venkys unless they see sense and depart.....we are in total Limbo as a club and will continue to be so for as long as they remain.We simply cannot move forward under their tenure as they do not have a clue what to do with us.

The future is bleak and none can Rose tint this situation.