[Archived] Eu Referendum, In Or Out - Looks Like Blackburn Wants Out !

[K-Hod]

Christ is Jim back? I thought he was banned.

Was a 30 day one I think.

[Mike E]

Fair points raised earlier, I tend to look at things a bit simplistically

The cuts to social care are having a huge impact on primary education too, as children have a wider range of issues that teachers are having to become experts in.

When I was a child (deaf) I had an SSA all the way through primary and to help me settle in at secondary. I've not taught a single deaf child in the last year who had in-class support. Only an audiologist appt every month or so.

[Biddy]

get rid of all the senior manager/managers that are not needed.

I beg to differ!!!

No one has edited a post for about 5 years as it makes us an editor and thus responsible for the post. Hence why perfectly good posts are hidden usually because they quote offending post.

[jim mk2]

The EU taking on the real "elites". Brussels is briiliant at this sort of stuff - all power to Margrethe Vestager's elbow.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b573ac02-6e90-11e6-a0c9-1365ce54b926.html

[Baz]

The EU taking on the real "elites". Brussels is briiliant at this sort of stuff - all power to Margrethe Vestager's elbow.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b573ac02-6e90-11e6-a0c9-1365ce54b926.html

The Irish looking to take the EU to court, to avoid having to take the tax.

Bonkers.

Well if no one else wants it, can we have some to buy our club back?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

The Irish looking to take the EU to court, to avoid having to take the tax.

Bonkers.

Well if no one else wants it, can we have some to buy our club back?

I wouldn't say bonkers. It's just the idea that you can get much more in the long run by encouraging foreign business to set up in your country. It's been all over the news today how foreign investment in the UK is booming (exposing another false prophecy of the Brexit doom merchants) and when you look at the numbers of jobs and level of monetary investment, it's no wonder Ireland doesn't consider a one-off £11 billion worth putting investors off.

That's why it's such a tricky issue. It's intrinsically unfair what happens and yet there's a noticeable trend around the world that low taxes encourage a thriving business sector which leads to a wealthy country which leads to higher living standards which leads to happier people.

I've mentioned surprising examples who've backed tax cuts to encourage business in the past, the French socialist government being a recent one to try to steal London's financial hub.

I think inevitably the issue will never be solved while the concept of nations exist. They'll always been competing with each other. At the moment it's a case of take a principled stance and the money just flows away from you and to the country that doesn't.

[Baz]

I wouldn't say bonkers. It's just the idea that you can get much more in the long run by encouraging foreign business to set up in your country. It's been all over the news today how foreign investment in the UK is booming (exposing another false prophecy of the Brexit doom merchants) and when you look at the numbers of jobs and level of monetary investment, it's no wonder Ireland doesn't consider a one-off £11 billion worth putting investors off.

That's why it's such a tricky issue. It's intrinsically unfair what happens and yet there's a noticeable trend around the world that low taxes encourage a thriving business sector which leads to a wealthy country which leads to higher living standards which leads to happier people.

I've mentioned surprising examples who've backed tax cuts to encourage business in the past, the French socialist government being a recent one to try to steal London's financial hub.

I think inevitably the issue will never be solved while the concept of nations exist. They'll always been competing with each other. At the moment it's a case of take a principled stance and the money just flows away from you and to the country that doesn't.

What is wrong is that big business can play the field to get the best sweetheart deal they can.

They should be made to pay their fair share in the countries that they sold their products.

How many jobs does anyone think Apple have created in Ireland? Id guess less than 1000, and I'd also guess a lot of the top people are from the US too.

After years of austerity in Ireland, where community services have been cut back, and the people have seen their property devalue, and pensions reduce- how does it look to them that Apple can get away with 11bn in unpaid tax?

I understand your point about lower business tax, but it depends if you believe in trickle down economics. I'm not so certain in a globalised economy that it works for anyone bar shareholders and company executives.

[philipl]

The idea of business in Britain is booming is purely a short term reaction to the drop in the pound.

There is a tide of business abandoning Britain and investment going elsewhere.

The Apple ruling shows the strength of the EU backing ordinary people. Ireland will benefit to the extent of one complete year's health service expenditure. That is rel compared with the big NHS bus fib.

[jim mk2]

The idea of business in Britain is booming is purely a short term reaction to the drop in the pound.

There is a tide of business abandoning Britain and investment going elsewhere.

The Apple ruling shows the strength of the EU backing ordinary people. Ireland will benefit to the extent of one complete year's health service expenditure. That is rel compared with the big NHS bus fib.

Correct. People don't realise that Brexit hasn't happened yet and is unlikely to take place for at least 2 years - the short-term bounce in the economy is purely a result of the drop in the pound.

Unfortunately for us, the fall in sterling means the markets have already given their verdict on the Brexit vote - as a nation we're all now worth circa 15% less than before June 23. Still, everything's OK because the Fidelity Special Situations Fund is up by a few pennies.

Companies such as Facebook, Apple, Google and Starbucks - the so-called Fags in the US - have been avoiding tax for years by shifting their money round the world while reaping in every increasing multi billion dollar profits.

Good on Brussels for finally blowing the whsitle and giving Apple the bill. At the same time it should also fine countries such as ireland for offering low tax jurisdictions in the first place.

[ABBEY]

Christ.... Deal with the result already

[Al]

Correct. People don't realise that Brexit hasn't happened yet and is unlikely to take place for at least 2 years - the short-term bounce in the economy is purely a result of the drop in the pound.

Unfortunately for us, the fall in sterling means the markets have already given their verdict on the Brexit vote - as a nation we're all now worth circa 15% less than before June 23. Still, everything's OK because the Fidelity Special Situations Fund is up by a few pennies.

Companies such as Facebook, Apple, Google and Starbucks - the so-called Fags in the US - have been avoiding tax for years by shifting their money round the world while reaping in every increasing multi billion dollar profits.

Good on Brussels for finally blowing the whsitle and giving Apple the bill. At the same time it should also fine countries such as ireland for offering low tax jurisdictions in the first place.

Still whinging? You lost. Get over it. Pension funds are up and companies can't wait to invest in Britain. Low taxes = more businesses = more tax. Why can't you get that?

[K-Hod]

The 'You lost, get over it' comments are a bit churlish. It's not a game of football!

Not often I agree with Jim, but he's right, it's far too early for any side to be crowing. Brexit won't actually happen for circa 2 years at the earliest. Only then can we really talk about the impact with any real accuracy.

Whatever happens, I've no doubt that those that were wrong will do a disappearing act, such is life!

[adopted scouser]

The 'You lost, get over it' comments are a bit churlish. It's not a game of football!

And Jim would play on the left wing !

(I'm here all week)

[ABBEY]

The 'You lost, get over it' comments are a bit churlish. It's not a game of football!

Not often I agree with Jim, but he's right, it's far too early for any side to be crowing. Brexit won't actually happen for circa 2 years at the earliest. Only then can we really talk about the impact with any real accuracy.

Whatever happens, I've no doubt that those that were

wrong will do a disappearing act, such is life!

Churlish or undemocratic ?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

What is wrong is that big business can play the field to get the best sweetheart deal they can.

They should be made to pay their fair share in the countries that they sold their products.

How many jobs does anyone think Apple have created in Ireland? Id guess less than 1000, and I'd also guess a lot of the top people are from the US too.

After years of austerity in Ireland, where community services have been cut back, and the people have seen their property devalue, and pensions reduce- how does it look to them that Apple can get away with 11bn in unpaid tax?

I understand your point about lower business tax, but it depends if you believe in trickle down economics. I'm not so certain in a globalised economy that it works for anyone bar shareholders and company executives.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/a-look-inside-a-global-giant-apple-and-their-european-headquarters-in-cork-333878.html

5,000 in Cork from the looks of this article. Not sure about the rest of Ireland.

I do believe in trickle down economics but I think its positive impact decreases dramatically the further the trickle. Its been a much debated argument for a while now, famously by Maggie in the Commons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR7WW3XR9c

If the common man/woman is better off as a result then I can just about accept the huge inequalities produced by unrestrained capitalism. But yeah, only if the common man/woman is actually better off, which does need constant challenging.

[K-Hod]

Churlish or undemocratic ?

I keep seeing 'undemocratic' being bandied about, but democracy also allows freedom of speech.

[philipl]

Democracy also allows UKIP to get one MP at the last election, be on the winning side of the Brexit referendum and get clobbered into oblivion at the next election.

[jim mk2]

"Trickle down economics" is a myth perpetuated by the wealthy elite to justify their ever increasing grab of national incomes. Just a few minutes research on the internet will show plenty of evidence of the astonishing gap that has opened up over the past 40 years between the working class and middle classes and the richest few.

[philipl]

http://capx.co/three-things-you-need-to-know-about-polish-immigration/

So much for demonising the Poles and all that rubbish spouted about immigration.

[jim mk2]

Unfortunately some poor Polish person has been killed in Harlow - another victim of Brexit. Racism does appear to be on the increase and while not all Brexiteers are racist most are xenophobic - there are some examples on this messageboard. It's sad that the tolerance for which this country used to be renowned is under threat because of Cameron's unnecessary referendum.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e2bed8be-6f4c-11e6-a0c9-1365ce54b926.html#axzz4IvDNmyWA

[yoda]

Unfortunately some poor Polish person has been killed in Harlow - another victim of Brexit. Racism does appear to be on the increase and while not all Brexiteers are racist most are xenophobic - there are some examples on this messageboard. It's sad that the tolerance for which this country used to be renowned is under threat because of Cameron's unnecessary referendum.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e2bed8be-6f4c-11e6-a0c9-1365ce54b926.html#axzz4IvDNmyWA

17 million xenophobes wow

This country is more under threat from ISIS than any Brexiteer Jim.

Pity you and Philip don't put as much energy into saving the Rovers.

[philipl]

17 million xenophobes wow

This country is more under threat from ISIS than any Brexiteer Jim.

Pity you and Philip don't put as much energy into saving the Rovers.

You know nothing about what I am doing...

[Al]

The 'You lost, get over it' comments are a bit churlish. It's not a game of football!

Not often I agree with Jim, but he's right, it's far too early for any side to be crowing. Brexit won't actually happen for circa 2 years at the earliest. Only then can we really talk about the impact with any real accuracy.

Whatever happens, I've no doubt that those that were wrong will do a disappearing act, such is life!

I don't agree, it's the ones who won't accept the democratic vote who are churlish. I'm surprised at your attitude K-Hod.

I keep seeing 'undemocratic' being bandied about, but democracy also allows freedom of speech.

And accepts the will of the majority.

Democracy also allows UKIP to get one MP at the last election, be on the winning side of the Brexit referendum and get clobbered into oblivion at the next election.

UKIP has done it's job and is no longer needed, unless of course the minority do not accept the will of the majority!

[jim mk2]

You know nothing about what I am doing...

He's probably a stay-away "protester", aka the Silence of the Lambs.

[yoda]

You know nothing about what I am doing...

Absolutely correct

ps your'e in box is full

He's probably a stay-away "protester", aka the Silence of the Lambs.

As PhilipL would say,

You know nothing about what I am doing...